why are so many so certain that he'll be a 6th man next year when he just hasn't been playing in a few off season matches
just wait until the actual season starts before we jump to conclusions
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What I dont get is why is it such a big deal if Zellsis plays instead. The argument that Pancada was smokes mvp in 2022 isnt enough imo cause success doesnt translate team to team. Also SEN making a change way before the season starts means they arent stuck with the same issue in 2023. So if SEN think Zellsis is contributing more to the team than im all for it.
KRATOSmimir21 [#4]What I dont get is why is it such a big deal if Zellsis plays instead. The argument that Pancada was smokes mvp in 2022 isnt enough imo cause success doesnt translate team to team. Also SEN making a change way before the season starts means they arent stuck with the same issue in 2023. So if SEN think Zellsis is contributing more to the team than im all for it.
It’s not Zellsis, it’s Tenz lolz Zellsis and Tenz play the same role isn’t it better to replace tenz instead
Simp4S0m [#5]It’s not Zellsis, it’s Tenz lolz Zellsis and Tenz play the same role isn’t it better to replace tenz instead
zellsis can play smokes since he was a flex and played harbor and sometimes viper for c9
Potatobrawler8 [#7]The thing is, I actually prefer: Johnqt Zekken Zellsis Sacy Pancada over Johnqt Zekken Zellsis Sacy Tenz
the best one imo
KRATOSmimir21 [#4]What I dont get is why is it such a big deal if Zellsis plays instead. The argument that Pancada was smokes mvp in 2022 isnt enough imo cause success doesnt translate team to team. Also SEN making a change way before the season starts means they arent stuck with the same issue in 2023. So if SEN think Zellsis is contributing more to the team than im all for it.
the thing is that pancada is better than him playing smokes, and of course his success didn't translate this season, bro had to change his role because we didn't had a sentinel player
Simp4S0m [#5]It’s not Zellsis, it’s Tenz lolz Zellsis and Tenz play the same role isn’t it better to replace tenz instead
theyd drop the other 4 players instead of benching him we know that already
MONGO_7 [#11]Why do people in this tread say bench tenz i dont get it
Because Zekken is the better duelist, and Zellsis is the better flex. TenZ is the odd one out but they will never bench him
cioccolat [#9]it fucking annoys me that Sen would actually be good if they either benched TenZ, or let the Brazillians go. FREE MY HOMIES BRO
Pretty sure they need sacy
ACS289 [#15]kick both pancada&sacy both sucks anyway
BRO sacy and pancada are world champions. they absolutely stomped optic and prob should have won masters but optic gameplan was simpily absurdly good. they came back at champions because pAncada actually locked the flip in. they were consistant in masters if anyone was shit it was less he played horribally in the B05. sacy and pancada were actually consistant they were setting up aspas so well. In champions sacy was insane he out fragged aspas whislt setting his team up for succes so well. zekkens insane and so is zellsis. we are not having another IGL issue for gods sake we just need to BENCH tenz please. like pls understand i dont hate him i love him ive been following his journey from the start but SEN screwed their 2022 development because they jsut didnt make changes to any of their strats or team comp and didnt adapt to meta. their EGO of basically being the best NA team(at the time), winning 15-0 and being terrifying in general ruined their season. in 2023 they honestly the roster was fine but Depph ruined the role issues like if u look at MXS sen vs tsm fracture it looked insane and everyone was on confort picks and depph was brilliant. then they dropped him due to role issues and shit. like week 3 in sen vs lev they put sacy on viper. the reason he was been so incosistant this season has been because if u watch whole loud 2022 he only played 3 agents preety much BREACH, SOVA and FADE. he never played kayo, skye that was shaadak. he came in and had to adapt because 2 controller 2 duelsit so much stronger and he had to go to skye cause she is simpily better then sova and fade at the time of america season which impacted sacy alot and u could see this discomfort he was put on Sage agansist 100t split and brim on fracture hello he plays breach?? MXS event was peak for sen then tehy literaly shuffled roles and made pancada play perma KJ, viper and astra. NO OMEN OR BRIM which are his 2 best agents. depph whose calling was actually decent in mxs like i think it was round 6 he pulled a insane fake on A lurked B and dragged the enemies to A so well. he looked really good on SEN role and sacy and pancada looked insane. idk why they role swapped if pancada wants to lurk just let him you dont need him to play KJ to do so like depph agent pool is ASTRA, CYPHER!! and KJ!!!! bro you cant say sacy and pancada are shit when sen have made them fucking change so much
FireLizardKing [#17]BRO sacy and pancada are world champions. they absolutely stomped optic and prob should have won masters but optic gameplan was simpily absurdly good. they came back at champions because pAncada actually locked the flip in. they were consistant in masters if anyone was shit it was less he played horribally in the B05. sacy and pancada were actually consistant they were setting up aspas so well. In champions sacy was insane he out fragged aspas whislt setting his team up for succes so well. zekkens insane and so is zellsis. we are not having another IGL issue for gods sake we just need to BENCH tenz please. like pls understand i dont hate him i love him ive been following his journey from the start but SEN screwed their 2022 development because they jsut didnt make changes to any of their strats or team comp and didnt adapt to meta. their EGO of basically being the best NA team(at the time), winning 15-0 and being terrifying in general ruined their season. in 2023 they honestly the roster was fine but Depph ruined the role issues like if u look at MXS sen vs tsm fracture it looked insane and everyone was on confort picks and depph was brilliant. then they dropped him due to role issues and shit. like week 3 in sen vs lev they put sacy on viper. the reason he was been so incosistant this season has been because if u watch whole loud 2022 he only played 3 agents preety much BREACH, SOVA and FADE. he never played kayo, skye that was shaadak. he came in and had to adapt because 2 controller 2 duelsit so much stronger and he had to go to skye cause she is simpily better then sova and fade at the time of america season which impacted sacy alot and u could see this discomfort he was put on Sage agansist 100t split and brim on fracture hello he plays breach?? MXS event was peak for sen then tehy literaly shuffled roles and made pancada play perma KJ, viper and astra. NO OMEN OR BRIM which are his 2 best agents. depph whose calling was actually decent in mxs like i think it was round 6 he pulled a insane fake on A lurked B and dragged the enemies to A so well. he looked really good on SEN role and sacy and pancada looked insane. idk why they role swapped if pancada wants to lurk just let him you dont need him to play KJ to do so like depph agent pool is ASTRA, CYPHER!! and KJ!!!! bro you cant say sacy and pancada are shit when sen have made them fucking change so much
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FireLizardKing [#17]BRO sacy and pancada are world champions. they absolutely stomped optic and prob should have won masters but optic gameplan was simpily absurdly good. they came back at champions because pAncada actually locked the flip in. they were consistant in masters if anyone was shit it was less he played horribally in the B05. sacy and pancada were actually consistant they were setting up aspas so well. In champions sacy was insane he out fragged aspas whislt setting his team up for succes so well. zekkens insane and so is zellsis. we are not having another IGL issue for gods sake we just need to BENCH tenz please. like pls understand i dont hate him i love him ive been following his journey from the start but SEN screwed their 2022 development because they jsut didnt make changes to any of their strats or team comp and didnt adapt to meta. their EGO of basically being the best NA team(at the time), winning 15-0 and being terrifying in general ruined their season. in 2023 they honestly the roster was fine but Depph ruined the role issues like if u look at MXS sen vs tsm fracture it looked insane and everyone was on confort picks and depph was brilliant. then they dropped him due to role issues and shit. like week 3 in sen vs lev they put sacy on viper. the reason he was been so incosistant this season has been because if u watch whole loud 2022 he only played 3 agents preety much BREACH, SOVA and FADE. he never played kayo, skye that was shaadak. he came in and had to adapt because 2 controller 2 duelsit so much stronger and he had to go to skye cause she is simpily better then sova and fade at the time of america season which impacted sacy alot and u could see this discomfort he was put on Sage agansist 100t split and brim on fracture hello he plays breach?? MXS event was peak for sen then tehy literaly shuffled roles and made pancada play perma KJ, viper and astra. NO OMEN OR BRIM which are his 2 best agents. depph whose calling was actually decent in mxs like i think it was round 6 he pulled a insane fake on A lurked B and dragged the enemies to A so well. he looked really good on SEN role and sacy and pancada looked insane. idk why they role swapped if pancada wants to lurk just let him you dont need him to play KJ to do so like depph agent pool is ASTRA, CYPHER!! and KJ!!!! bro you cant say sacy and pancada are shit when sen have made them fucking change so much
I thought it was a copypasta but blud wrote the entire thing lmao
FireLizardKing [#17]BRO sacy and pancada are world champions. they absolutely stomped optic and prob should have won masters but optic gameplan was simpily absurdly good. they came back at champions because pAncada actually locked the flip in. they were consistant in masters if anyone was shit it was less he played horribally in the B05. sacy and pancada were actually consistant they were setting up aspas so well. In champions sacy was insane he out fragged aspas whislt setting his team up for succes so well. zekkens insane and so is zellsis. we are not having another IGL issue for gods sake we just need to BENCH tenz please. like pls understand i dont hate him i love him ive been following his journey from the start but SEN screwed their 2022 development because they jsut didnt make changes to any of their strats or team comp and didnt adapt to meta. their EGO of basically being the best NA team(at the time), winning 15-0 and being terrifying in general ruined their season. in 2023 they honestly the roster was fine but Depph ruined the role issues like if u look at MXS sen vs tsm fracture it looked insane and everyone was on confort picks and depph was brilliant. then they dropped him due to role issues and shit. like week 3 in sen vs lev they put sacy on viper. the reason he was been so incosistant this season has been because if u watch whole loud 2022 he only played 3 agents preety much BREACH, SOVA and FADE. he never played kayo, skye that was shaadak. he came in and had to adapt because 2 controller 2 duelsit so much stronger and he had to go to skye cause she is simpily better then sova and fade at the time of america season which impacted sacy alot and u could see this discomfort he was put on Sage agansist 100t split and brim on fracture hello he plays breach?? MXS event was peak for sen then tehy literaly shuffled roles and made pancada play perma KJ, viper and astra. NO OMEN OR BRIM which are his 2 best agents. depph whose calling was actually decent in mxs like i think it was round 6 he pulled a insane fake on A lurked B and dragged the enemies to A so well. he looked really good on SEN role and sacy and pancada looked insane. idk why they role swapped if pancada wants to lurk just let him you dont need him to play KJ to do so like depph agent pool is ASTRA, CYPHER!! and KJ!!!! bro you cant say sacy and pancada are shit when sen have made them fucking change so much
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FireLizardKing [#17]BRO sacy and pancada are world champions. they absolutely stomped optic and prob should have won masters but optic gameplan was simpily absurdly good. they came back at champions because pAncada actually locked the flip in. they were consistant in masters if anyone was shit it was less he played horribally in the B05. sacy and pancada were actually consistant they were setting up aspas so well. In champions sacy was insane he out fragged aspas whislt setting his team up for succes so well. zekkens insane and so is zellsis. we are not having another IGL issue for gods sake we just need to BENCH tenz please. like pls understand i dont hate him i love him ive been following his journey from the start but SEN screwed their 2022 development because they jsut didnt make changes to any of their strats or team comp and didnt adapt to meta. their EGO of basically being the best NA team(at the time), winning 15-0 and being terrifying in general ruined their season. in 2023 they honestly the roster was fine but Depph ruined the role issues like if u look at MXS sen vs tsm fracture it looked insane and everyone was on confort picks and depph was brilliant. then they dropped him due to role issues and shit. like week 3 in sen vs lev they put sacy on viper. the reason he was been so incosistant this season has been because if u watch whole loud 2022 he only played 3 agents preety much BREACH, SOVA and FADE. he never played kayo, skye that was shaadak. he came in and had to adapt because 2 controller 2 duelsit so much stronger and he had to go to skye cause she is simpily better then sova and fade at the time of america season which impacted sacy alot and u could see this discomfort he was put on Sage agansist 100t split and brim on fracture hello he plays breach?? MXS event was peak for sen then tehy literaly shuffled roles and made pancada play perma KJ, viper and astra. NO OMEN OR BRIM which are his 2 best agents. depph whose calling was actually decent in mxs like i think it was round 6 he pulled a insane fake on A lurked B and dragged the enemies to A so well. he looked really good on SEN role and sacy and pancada looked insane. idk why they role swapped if pancada wants to lurk just let him you dont need him to play KJ to do so like depph agent pool is ASTRA, CYPHER!! and KJ!!!! bro you cant say sacy and pancada are shit when sen have made them fucking change so much
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FireLizardKing [#17]BRO sacy and pancada are world champions. they absolutely stomped optic and prob should have won masters but optic gameplan was simpily absurdly good. they came back at champions because pAncada actually locked the flip in. they were consistant in masters if anyone was shit it was less he played horribally in the B05. sacy and pancada were actually consistant they were setting up aspas so well. In champions sacy was insane he out fragged aspas whislt setting his team up for succes so well. zekkens insane and so is zellsis. we are not having another IGL issue for gods sake we just need to BENCH tenz please. like pls understand i dont hate him i love him ive been following his journey from the start but SEN screwed their 2022 development because they jsut didnt make changes to any of their strats or team comp and didnt adapt to meta. their EGO of basically being the best NA team(at the time), winning 15-0 and being terrifying in general ruined their season. in 2023 they honestly the roster was fine but Depph ruined the role issues like if u look at MXS sen vs tsm fracture it looked insane and everyone was on confort picks and depph was brilliant. then they dropped him due to role issues and shit. like week 3 in sen vs lev they put sacy on viper. the reason he was been so incosistant this season has been because if u watch whole loud 2022 he only played 3 agents preety much BREACH, SOVA and FADE. he never played kayo, skye that was shaadak. he came in and had to adapt because 2 controller 2 duelsit so much stronger and he had to go to skye cause she is simpily better then sova and fade at the time of america season which impacted sacy alot and u could see this discomfort he was put on Sage agansist 100t split and brim on fracture hello he plays breach?? MXS event was peak for sen then tehy literaly shuffled roles and made pancada play perma KJ, viper and astra. NO OMEN OR BRIM which are his 2 best agents. depph whose calling was actually decent in mxs like i think it was round 6 he pulled a insane fake on A lurked B and dragged the enemies to A so well. he looked really good on SEN role and sacy and pancada looked insane. idk why they role swapped if pancada wants to lurk just let him you dont need him to play KJ to do so like depph agent pool is ASTRA, CYPHER!! and KJ!!!! bro you cant say sacy and pancada are shit when sen have made them fucking change so much
preach
hellfire [#13]role and performance issues
Role issues are fair, but I literally dont see why anyone would say performance issues
Although they were off-season tourneys, but TenZ is putting up numbers no?
Jitu [#3]he should be a 6th man, hes worse than zellsis
Sacy and Pancada are world champions and In 2022, SEN experienced role reorganization and IGL problems that hindered their progress. Sacy became inconsistent as a result of having to adjust to new agents like Skye. Prior to role changes, SEN's best performance was demonstrated at the MXS event. Pancada portrayed foreign agents, and Depph had a respectable calling. Given how much Sacy and Pancada had to adapt, it is unfair to criticise them.
Potatobrawler8 [#7]The thing is, I actually prefer: Johnqt Zekken Zellsis Sacy Pancada over Johnqt Zekken Zellsis Sacy Tenz
Good roster, T0NZ is just their cash cow
number1_cned_hater [#22]ur team lost to sentinels 2 times bud
sentinels with zellsis, not pancada 👍
bpets99 [#24]don't get me wrong, i love tenz as much as any other sen fan, but surely keeping pancada on smokes and putting zellsis on flex instead of tenz is the way to go, no?
thats what im sayying but like tenz really cool and i like him but ye no zellzis is 100% the better pick but then again i think tenz should be allowed to play if map is BIND cause his yoru is best in the world. but i think thats gonna be the perma ban
But like linking all the way back to the topic PANCADA IS GOATED STFU people he hasnt been playying smokes this whole time look at the match SEN vs OXG man came back after BDAY, holiday, SICK and proceeds to $&#% on OXG. bro he is insane and SEN utlised him poorly going back to the absurd paragraph above in the Ludwig tarick invi he was crazy on brim and sacy was too this was their 2 weeks practice on fracture where sen popped the flip off like look at tenz map 1 18 something assist. first ever kayo game for him i think map 2 33+ kills on jett him and zekken sumrfing on TSM the thing is they had a F@$%#%^$# sen player DEPPH hello his 3 highest agents are cypher kj and astra. so why did they do all this role swap mumble jumbo because sacy wasnt that good at skye and skye was meta and honestly i could not give a F just put him on it anyway let depph play his comfort. but idk i also heard rumours depph wasnt comfortable for some crap reason idk im just unloading my mind soz
Zerphyr1 [#6]zellsis can play smokes since he was a flex and played harbor and sometimes viper for c9
He can only play harbor and viper. Isn't that good at actual smoke agents
danii1 [#30]He can only play harbor and viper. Isn't that good at actual smoke agents
ye but he can just play viper on every map bc viper is legit meta on every map but ascent
bpets99 [#24]don't get me wrong, i love tenz as much as any other sen fan, but surely keeping pancada on smokes and putting zellsis on flex instead of tenz is the way to go, no?
yeah
it's actually very funny that every SEN hater makes excuses for pancada but not for other player on the same team
they say if tenz was bad then "get him out" but if pancada was bad "so what the rest are bad too and the roles are bad" you think if zekken played kj he will be as bad as pancada was last year ? no way
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