No reports of him leaving or Sen trying new players except for an IGL role. So that says they keep 4 members despite the org said they were running out of money. So they had to cut salary and players were ok with that or what.
I mean, if they get a decent IGL and Zekken as main duelist, TenZ flex. It looks fine.
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if there is one person out of the 30 slots in NA who is sure to play in franchising, it is him. nothing to do with skill, talent or promise of winning, its just his stocks are high because of his fanbase. he can play in whatever org he wants to, SEN knows this so they will never let him go.
also they are not running out of money
Skorp4k [#6]bro is like harry maguire no matter how shit he plays they keeping him
He had the highest rating on SEN in 2023 🐥 meanwhile yall making excuses for botcada not knowing how to aim kkkkkkkkkkk
Netero [#7]He had the highest rating on SEN in 2023 🐥 meanwhile yall making excuses for botcada not knowing how to aim kkkkkkkkkkk
sacy struggled at lcq a bit no PanCada
kskm [#2]if there is one person out of the 30 slots in NA who is sure to play in franchising, it is him. nothing to do with skill, talent or promise of winning, its just his stocks are high because of his fanbase. he can play in whatever org he wants to, SEN knows this so they will never let him go.
also they are not running out of money
they run out of money IF they drop him, also his potential as a player is just too high but to unlock him is very difficult from what we can see, confidence issues seem to be his main problem
Skorp4k [#6]bro is like harry maguire no matter how shit he plays they keeping him
he was the only player other than zekken who played well in sen 2023, sacy had a few good games in vct americas, pancada had a few too and 1 memorable clutch meanwhile tenz consistently did above average on most games other than 2 or 3 maps (same with zekken, zach had one of the lowest rating in lockin)
michaelisupset [#5]put tenz on full time initiator/viper/idk yoru sometimes? and pancada on smokes and I have faith in this team
where are we getting the tenz viper from? im actually curious + this is stupid but tenz reyna would he fun, idt he has ever had a bad game playing reyna
Skorp4k [#6]bro is like harry maguire no matter how shit he plays they keeping him
Bro shut up he’s nothing like a maguire lmao at least ppl know how good he can be and is a major winner 😂
noxx [#9]they run out of money IF they drop him, also his potential as a player is just too high but to unlock him is very difficult from what we can see, confidence issues seem to be his main problem
tons of players in tier2 trenches who have as much potential if not more. none of them will be given a chance before tenz because he brings the casual, non-serious viewers and "hype" with his clout.. which means more money for everyone involved.
kskm [#13]tons of players in tier2 trenches who have as much potential if not more. none of them will be given a chance before tenz because he brings the casual, non-serious viewers and "hype" with his clout.. which means more money for everyone involved.
pretty sure kaplan wouldnt be this high on tenz if he didnt think he was as good as nismo or even better, the coaches know more than us and if they kept him it isnt just coz of the fanbase he brings if that was the case people like sacy, pancada and even johnqt or marved wouldnt be happy about it
noxx [#15]pretty sure kaplan wouldnt be this high on tenz if he didnt think he was as good as nismo or even better, the coaches know more than us and if they kept him it isnt just coz of the fanbase he brings if that was the case people like sacy, pancada and even johnqt or marved wouldnt be happy about it
kaplan had this entire last season to see how tenz plays and still decided to maintain him, so either tenz is cooking something good or it's just for the fanbase
Netero [#7]He had the highest rating on SEN in 2023 🐥 meanwhile yall making excuses for botcada not knowing how to aim kkkkkkkkkkk
simple excuses being have to learn a language and winning champs playing smokes just for coming to sentinels and having to play kj because no one else could fill the role, also tenz had almost highest rating on lcq, still behind zekken and on the regular season he was just better than dephh, hope tenz really go kill next season...
noxx [#11]where are we getting the tenz viper from? im actually curious + this is stupid but tenz reyna would he fun, idt he has ever had a bad game playing reyna
that’s because he played reyna in 2021. also the team is going to need a second smokes player on maps like lotus where a kj is needed. and why would they put zekken on viper when he’s consistently been better on duelist. sen fans hating the tenz viper is so weird. he has to learn more agents than jett and kayo eventually
noxx [#11]where are we getting the tenz viper from? im actually curious + this is stupid but tenz reyna would he fun, idt he has ever had a bad game playing reyna
TenZ had a good amount of experience with Viper in the early days. He already knows the setups pros use in tier 1 matches and viper can be good for him since he will also be able to lurk more, so their 5th could igl more.
Just look at trent, gifted mechanically and has an insane viper on haven and other maps
michaelisupset [#18]that’s because he played reyna in 2021. also the team is going to need a second smokes player on maps like lotus where a kj is needed. and why would they put zekken on viper when he’s consistently been better on duelist. sen fans hating the tenz viper is so weird. he has to learn more agents than jett and kayo eventually
Is it just me or do u also think TenZ on viper seems fire??
michaelisupset [#18]that’s because he played reyna in 2021. also the team is going to need a second smokes player on maps like lotus where a kj is needed. and why would they put zekken on viper when he’s consistently been better on duelist. sen fans hating the tenz viper is so weird. he has to learn more agents than jett and kayo eventually
he plays more than jett and kayo, even if he did play reyna in 2021, most other reyna players back then were struggling to have the same stats as tenz also tenz would be better at omen than viper like how jawg is playing omen, viper is way more lurky and anchor-y which tenz isnt that great at
h1gh_fall [#17]simple excuses being have to learn a language and winning champs playing smokes just for coming to sentinels and having to play kj because no one else could fill the role, also tenz had almost highest rating on lcq, still behind zekken and on the regular season he was just better than dephh, hope tenz really go kill next season...
if ur talking about excuses then tenz fiance has cancer. ill end it at that
StutterSt3p [#14]I think I saw somewhere that TenZ was playing some breach in scrims, and if it's true, he's completely fine on the roster. His agent pool was the only glaring issue in his game, and if he's able to add some initiators to it, he'd be easily T1 worthy.
he plays breach, kayo, jett, yoru (people hate his raze even tho its pretty good and it can be improved upon), chamber and all he has to do is learn skye and he will be a top tier talent
kskm [#13]tons of players in tier2 trenches who have as much potential if not more. none of them will be given a chance before tenz because he brings the casual, non-serious viewers and "hype" with his clout.. which means more money for everyone involved.
https://twitter.com/OfficialBoaster/status/1699746493928808670?s=20 Every single team(EG, FNC, PRX) that scrimmed against them have said the same thing. He is cooking in scrims and we all know he can translate that in matches as well. He just needs a bit of confidence. Even with all the issues, he has been their second best player this season. There are more reasons other than his popularity to put trust in him. He just needs to quit fking around with his sens and all that other bullshit
noxx [#23]he plays breach, kayo, jett, yoru (people hate his raze even tho its pretty good and it can be improved upon), chamber and all he has to do is learn skye and he will be a top tier talent
He doesn't need to play Raze because zekken can, so really it's just flash initiators, chamber, and maybe duelist if they need it. He's already a top-tier talent, but hopefully, he'll be able to develop more as a flex for next year.
StutterSt3p [#25]He doesn't need to play Raze because zekken can, so really it's just flash initiators, chamber, and maybe duelist if they need it. He's already a top-tier talent, but hopefully, he'll be able to develop more as a flex for next year.
I also forgot that he played neon too and yea zach can play raze but if theres an instance where tenz has to flex to raze then im sure that he will be great on that agent too, he had one or two games where he botfragged with raze (the 8 kill game in masters) but thats coz the entire team was playing like shit not just him, look at derke he has horrible games with raze at times but gets saved by his team
Rey55 [#24]https://twitter.com/OfficialBoaster/status/1699746493928808670?s=20 Every single team(EG, FNC, PRX) that scrimmed against them have said the same thing. He is cooking in scrims and we all know he can translate that in matches as well. He just needs a bit of confidence. Even with all the issues, he has been their second best player this season. There are more reasons other than his popularity to put trust in him. He just needs to quit fking around with his sens and all that other bullshit
Any comment made on good scrim performances is usually a backhanded compliment.. its like saying someone is a ranked demon lol. Not everyone plays to win scrims. Moreover Boaster has also said they are not afraid of duelists like Tenz anymore since everyone knows how to counter them.
Anyway, my point is the very fact you are willing to consider his lack of confidence or the fact he changes sens AND keep giving him chances in an environment where the lack of talent is not a problem is biased in itself. Take Demon1 for example, the guy had probably 2-3 games to prove himself in the Americas league before he was replaced by someone else on the reserve team. That is the level of scrutiny that other players in NA are going through right now, and if people are not willing to raise fingers at Tenz or 100t Asuna, i think we are allowed to atleast call out the double standards.
kskm [#27]Any comment made on good scrim performances is usually a backhanded compliment.. its like saying someone is a ranked demon lol. Not everyone plays to win scrims. Moreover Boaster has also said they are not afraid of duelists like Tenz anymore since everyone knows how to counter them.
Anyway, my point is the very fact you are willing to consider his lack of confidence or the fact he changes sens AND keep giving him chances in an environment where the lack of talent is not a problem is biased in itself. Take Demon1 for example, the guy had probably 2-3 games to prove himself in the Americas league before he was replaced by someone else on the reserve team. That is the level of scrutiny that other players in NA are going through right now, and if people are not willing to raise fingers at Tenz or 100t Asuna, i think we are allowed to atleast call out the double standards.
in case of tenz its not double standards because tenz once was the best player in the world you give him time hoping he gives you the same performance again and you don't drop him because of a bad season when everyone else on the team was far away from what was expected from them specially the brazilians you drop him if u have a good season and u fall short only because of him while everyone else on the team is performing well
In case of demon1 of course you give him 2-3 games max to prove himself the season is too short to give an unproven ranked demon more than 2-3 games to prove himself
also we saw at lcq that tenz is capable of playing and learning new roles you dont drop him u only make him the 6th man if he agreed otherwise just change his role
kskm [#13]tons of players in tier2 trenches who have as much potential if not more. none of them will be given a chance before tenz because he brings the casual, non-serious viewers and "hype" with his clout.. which means more money for everyone involved.
not everyone is demon1 or jakee lmfao
lets be HONEST, TenZ always had high potential, even in CS where the talent level was leagues higher at that time
kskm [#27]Any comment made on good scrim performances is usually a backhanded compliment.. its like saying someone is a ranked demon lol. Not everyone plays to win scrims. Moreover Boaster has also said they are not afraid of duelists like Tenz anymore since everyone knows how to counter them.
Anyway, my point is the very fact you are willing to consider his lack of confidence or the fact he changes sens AND keep giving him chances in an environment where the lack of talent is not a problem is biased in itself. Take Demon1 for example, the guy had probably 2-3 games to prove himself in the Americas league before he was replaced by someone else on the reserve team. That is the level of scrutiny that other players in NA are going through right now, and if people are not willing to raise fingers at Tenz or 100t Asuna, i think we are allowed to atleast call out the double standards.
Don't agree with the back handed comment concept at all. A lot of players get picked up bc of their scrim performances, notably zekken by xset, yay by envy, dicey by 100t and even demon1 cz he was performing on the reserve roster. You make it seem like people don't try at all in scrims! Even if they don't care about winning the game at all cost they still try win the rounds with their gameplan, otherwise there would be no point of practicing. Scrim demons don't stay as scrim demons forever. M80 were scrim demons and they quickly translated that on stage, on the other hand prev Gambit were the scrim demons for a long time but they just couldn't qualify for LANs and then they all of a sudden qualed for Berlin and won the whole thing and went on a tear.
spectre300 [#29]in case of tenz its not double standards because tenz once was the best player in the world you give him time hoping he gives you the same performance again and you don't drop him because of a bad season when everyone else on the team was far away from what was expected from them specially the brazilians you drop him if u have a good season and u fall short only because of him while everyone else on the team is performing well
In case of demon1 of course you give him 2-3 games max to prove himself the season is too short to give an unproven ranked demon more than 2-3 games to prove himself
also we saw at lcq that tenz is capable of playing and learning new roles you dont drop him u only make him the 6th man if he agreed otherwise just change his role
bcj got 2 games in the league after coming into 2023 as one of the highest rated initiators. yay and vanity couldnt play a single game in the league.. now you may argue their reasons to be removed but it doesnt matter when you are not even willing to look at tenz/asuna's reasons to be replaced.. almost every SEN member from the 2021 squad that won the major has directly and indirectly said that tenz and the others have not been measured with the same scale by the org and the cult fans.
we may be heading into 2024 with the likes of FNS and S0M as free agents and as u admitted someone from t2 getting a shot is almost impossible and designed to fail. there is no way u can convince me that tenz who has won a trophy 2 years ago and asuna whose best is a redbull trophy are to be kept until they decide to hang their booths and tell me you are not one of the cult fans.. who as i argued first - is the only reason for keeping him there.
HuntersFury [#31]Don't agree with the back handed comment concept at all. A lot of players get picked up bc of their scrim performances, notably zekken by xset, yay by envy, dicey by 100t and even demon1 cz he was performing on the reserve roster. You make it seem like people don't try at all in scrims! Even if they don't care about winning the game at all cost they still try win the rounds with their gameplan, otherwise there would be no point of practicing. Scrim demons don't stay as scrim demons forever. M80 were scrim demons and they quickly translated that on stage, on the other hand prev Gambit were the scrim demons for a long time but they just couldn't qualify for LANs and then they all of a sudden qualed for Berlin and won the whole thing and went on a tear.
confusing scrims with player trials i see... I've heard too many pros calling teams out for their performance in scrims vs real matches.. and its almost always a backhanded comment. FNS for example, once said TSM's seven and GMD are dropping 40+ in scrims but they go silent in matches as they watch partied them loosing.. everyone laughed and said "thats fucked".. Ofcourse I cannot derive Boaster's intentions behind him saying tenz is dropping 30+ in scrims - it could be a joke or maybe he is serious... but to make an attempt to bring scrim results where we neither see the score to verify or have any knowledge behind how the scrims were planned as a metric to somehow cover up tenz's match performances is pathetic to say the least.
Skorp4k [#6]bro is like harry maguire no matter how shit he plays they keeping him
Maguire has more goals in the world cup than our whole country , dont clown on him for no reason
And also dont compare maguire with tenz , one is pro in football which has way more fanbase and harder to become , playing in efl bigger achievement than playing vct
I love maguire 😘
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DdoggyVII [#12]Bro shut up he’s nothing like a maguire lmao at least ppl know how good he can be and is a major winner 😂
yea maguire plays a real sport which people watch , not a pro in a game gonna die in 6 month
kskm [#32]bcj got 2 games in the league after coming into 2023 as one of the highest rated initiators. yay and vanity couldnt play a single game in the league.. now you may argue their reasons to be removed but it doesnt matter when you are not even willing to look at tenz/asuna's reasons to be replaced.. almost every SEN member from the 2021 squad that won the major has directly and indirectly said that tenz and the others have not been measured with the same scale by the org and the cult fans.
we may be heading into 2024 with the likes of FNS and S0M as free agents and as u admitted someone from t2 getting a shot is almost impossible and designed to fail. there is no way u can convince me that tenz who has won a trophy 2 years ago and asuna whose best is a redbull trophy are to be kept until they decide to hang their booths and tell me you are not one of the cult fans.. who as i argued first - is the only reason for keeping him there.
You are really comparing tenz's situation with yay and vanity ? (it's not the same it's irrelevant to their skills and u know it it's a management issue)
And tenz not being measured by the same scale his teammates were measured with is because he was the best player in the team (im not mentioning asuna because i agree with you he should be replaced).
FNS is asking for an org to completely shutdown any team they have and make him create a team from scrap no org can do that noone has the money not even SEN.
Im not saying t2 players have no chance and designated to fail but it's only logic that a player who is coming from t2 doesn't prove himself quickly or prove he has the potential wil be dropped and if the leaks are true a player like johnqt who is a t2 player joining SEN as their leader that's the point of t2 you prove yourself to be picked up by a t1 org to have the chance to prove yourself as a top player
kskm [#33]confusing scrims with player trials i see... I've heard too many pros calling teams out for their performance in scrims vs real matches.. and its almost always a backhanded comment. FNS for example, once said TSM's seven and GMD are dropping 40+ in scrims but they go silent in matches as they watch partied them loosing.. everyone laughed and said "thats fucked".. Ofcourse I cannot derive Boaster's intentions behind him saying tenz is dropping 30+ in scrims - it could be a joke or maybe he is serious... but to make an attempt to bring scrim results where we neither see the score to verify or have any knowledge behind how the scrims were planned as a metric to somehow cover up tenz's match performances is pathetic to say the least.
But his match performances are good tho
spectre300 [#36]You are really comparing tenz's situation with yay and vanity ? (it's not the same it's irrelevant to their skills and u know it it's a management issue)
And tenz not being measured by the same scale his teammates were measured with is because he was the best player in the team (im not mentioning asuna because i agree with you he should be replaced).FNS is asking for an org to completely shutdown any team they have and make him create a team from scrap no org can do that noone has the money not even SEN.
Im not saying t2 players have no chance and designated to fail but it's only logic that a player who is coming from t2 doesn't prove himself quickly or prove he has the potential wil be dropped and if the leaks are true a player like johnqt who is a t2 player joining SEN as their leader that's the point of t2 you prove yourself to be picked up by a t1 org to have the chance to prove yourself as a top player
tenz was not the best player in his team
highest rating doesnt mean the best....... zekken was far better but tenz did good for a b tier team
kskm [#13]tons of players in tier2 trenches who have as much potential if not more. none of them will be given a chance before tenz because he brings the casual, non-serious viewers and "hype" with his clout.. which means more money for everyone involved.
this guy gets it, W take
cholikarr [#35]yea maguire plays a real sport which people watch , not a pro in a game gonna die in 6 month
why are u here then lil bro
spectre300 [#36]You are really comparing tenz's situation with yay and vanity ? (it's not the same it's irrelevant to their skills and u know it it's a management issue)
And tenz not being measured by the same scale his teammates were measured with is because he was the best player in the team (im not mentioning asuna because i agree with you he should be replaced).FNS is asking for an org to completely shutdown any team they have and make him create a team from scrap no org can do that noone has the money not even SEN.
Im not saying t2 players have no chance and designated to fail but it's only logic that a player who is coming from t2 doesn't prove himself quickly or prove he has the potential wil be dropped and if the leaks are true a player like johnqt who is a t2 player joining SEN as their leader that's the point of t2 you prove yourself to be picked up by a t1 org to have the chance to prove yourself as a top player
I like how u conveniently ignored the bcj example because it doesnt fit your narrative. As i said, the reason doesnt really matter in case of yay/vanity, the point is even if tenz had a situation with the management.. it will be the management who will be shown the door and such a decision will be accepted by the cult.
forget tier 2 players.. i already know what johnqt will go through if he were to accept the position (not that he is a tier2 level player).. xset was literally the second best NA team from 2022, and their head coach got how many matches to prove himself in the league with sentinels? how many international lans qualified after he left? why no sen fans questioning if that decision was accurate? would we expect the same reaction if hypothetically tenz was the one who was let go and still they fail to qualify... if u fail to see there is a double standard.. i dont really have anything to say to u..
its never his fault, everyone around him fails.. blah blah.. bro is literally invincible with the support from his cult.. anyway i dont hate the guy, just hope others get half the recognition
kskm [#33]confusing scrims with player trials i see... I've heard too many pros calling teams out for their performance in scrims vs real matches.. and its almost always a backhanded comment. FNS for example, once said TSM's seven and GMD are dropping 40+ in scrims but they go silent in matches as they watch partied them loosing.. everyone laughed and said "thats fucked".. Ofcourse I cannot derive Boaster's intentions behind him saying tenz is dropping 30+ in scrims - it could be a joke or maybe he is serious... but to make an attempt to bring scrim results where we neither see the score to verify or have any knowledge behind how the scrims were planned as a metric to somehow cover up tenz's match performances is pathetic to say the least.
Talking about things you have no clue about i see! Those were not trials, they were playing in scrims and took a liking to the mentioned players. It happens all the time.
kskm [#42]I like how u conveniently ignored the bcj example because it doesnt fit your narrative. As i said, the reason doesnt really matter in case of yay/vanity, the point is even if tenz had a situation with the management.. it will be the management who will be shown the door and such a decision will be accepted by the cult.
forget tier 2 players.. i already know what johnqt will go through if he were to accept the position (not that he is a tier2 level player).. xset was literally the second best NA team from 2022, and their head coach got how many matches to prove himself in the league with sentinels? how many international lans qualified after he left? why no sen fans questioning if that decision was accurate? would we expect the same reaction if hypothetically tenz was the one who was let go and still they fail to qualify... if u fail to see there is a double standard.. i dont really have anything to say to u..
its never his fault, everyone around him fails.. blah blah.. bro is literally invincible with the support from his cult.. anyway i dont hate the guy, just hope others get half the recognition
the fact of the matter is both his supporters and haters are extremely unreasonable, he's either massively underrated or massively overrated,
he's still a very good player
do other younger players deserve a chance over him? yeah
is it realistic to expect the face of the game to not receive special treatment by the fans and the org? no
kskm [#27]Any comment made on good scrim performances is usually a backhanded compliment.. its like saying someone is a ranked demon lol. Not everyone plays to win scrims. Moreover Boaster has also said they are not afraid of duelists like Tenz anymore since everyone knows how to counter them.
Anyway, my point is the very fact you are willing to consider his lack of confidence or the fact he changes sens AND keep giving him chances in an environment where the lack of talent is not a problem is biased in itself. Take Demon1 for example, the guy had probably 2-3 games to prove himself in the Americas league before he was replaced by someone else on the reserve team. That is the level of scrutiny that other players in NA are going through right now, and if people are not willing to raise fingers at Tenz or 100t Asuna, i think we are allowed to atleast call out the double standards.
I understand what you are saying but Boaster would be the last person to blast TenZ like that. Cz everytime tenz played Fnatic, he did well including Lock-in. Also, coaches know and see a lot more than what we do from the outside so you can't really say it's preferential treatment without knowing what the coaches identify as the problem. If you want them to be cutthroat like the examples you mentioned then none of them would stay on that roster cz SEN didn't make it to masters or champs.
cholikarr [#34]Maguire has more goals in the world cup than our whole country , dont clown on him for no reason
And also dont compare maguire with tenz , one is pro in football which has way more fanbase and harder to become , playing in efl bigger achievement than playing vct
I love maguire 😘
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Bro if ur here just to hate on ppl for no reason when ur sport is football then leave with ur maguire nonsense
jawn [#44]the fact of the matter is both his supporters and haters are extremely unreasonable, he's either massively underrated or massively overrated,
he's still a very good player
do other younger players deserve a chance over him? yeah
is it realistic to expect the face of the game to not receive special treatment by the fans and the org? no
I think that sums up the situation
DdoggyVII [#47]Bro if ur here just to hate on ppl for no reason when ur sport is football then leave with ur maguire nonsense
No Maguire is literally more successful than any Val player and earns more no one should hate on him especially valorant players of all
cholikarr [#35]yea maguire plays a real sport which people watch , not a pro in a game gonna die in 6 month
These 6 months aged well wouldn’t u think?
Ausam [#51]Well now we all know Tenz was never the issue lol.The team had no structure ,no solid roles for 2+ years.U can't do anything in a team like that especially as a duelist.
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