if he still wants to compete then the best option he has is to go to T2 and prove himself yet again (unless he gets another franchising offer which is unlikely) if M80 lose koalanoob then TenZ would be a good replacement and G2/TSM rebuild could also look at TenZ as an option, the only franchising team that i could see TenZ get into is 100T but even then it is very unlikely
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SaltyMcNulty [#4]If Tex joins NRG and TenZ joins TGRD, that would be the best thing ever. Kroenka would get his clout+ profit and TenZ would get an actual structured team.
Honestly, I don't think he cares that much about winning anymore. He's got too much going on in his life. I don't see him leaving SEN i think he becomes a content creator for them tbh.
SNG [#5]Honestly, I don't think he cares that much about winning anymore. He's got too much going on in his life. I don't see him leaving SEN i think he becomes a content creator for them tbh.
people saying that shit makes me go MALD
He had any reason to quit during mid season, literally every single reason you can thing off. he didnt do it back then and he aint gonna do it in the off season.
the man still wanna compete and prove himself even further, he knows he has potential.
just one look at how rank make him miserable can tell you hes gonna stay, maybe not at SEN. but he is still wanna compete.
Warlordwibz [#8]TenZ need to surround himself with workaholics, and can benefit from having an IGL and coach who purely focus on the game like FNS and Chet. I mean look at Chet, guy looks like he barely got any sleep. NRG would be a good move if ardiis position is vacant.
Sen praccing was not a problem they were scrimming like crazy for lock//in and practiced more then the average team according to them on Kaplan
Pengu12 [#10]Sen praccing was not a problem they were scrimming like crazy for lock//in and practiced more then the average team according to them on Kaplan
but SEN is the classic "always changing roster" team. Feel like SEN is cursed domestically, not able to go International.
Warlordwibz [#11]but SEN is the classic "always changing roster" team. Feel like SEN is cursed domestically, not able to go International.
Honestly, looking back at it I think this team would have found a lot of success if dephh was playing sentinel, he could have just focused on IGLing while his teammates killed everyone on the server
Now imo the best move is to just replace marved with johnqt and move pancada back to senti and then give the roster time
Pengu12 [#12]Honestly, looking back at it I think this team would have found a lot of success if dephh was playing sentinel, he could have just focused on IGLing while his teammates killed everyone on the server
Now imo the best move is to just replace marved with johnqt and move pancada back to senti and then give the roster time
yep move pancada back to senti
Warlordwibz [#8]TenZ need to surround himself with workaholics, and can benefit from having an IGL and coach who purely focus on the game like FNS and Chet. I mean look at Chet, guy looks like he barely got any sleep. NRG would be a good move if ardiis position is vacant.
Just accept tenz is bad and move on
Copium is over now
Mathewin [#14]Just accept tenz is bad and move on
Copium is over now
if thats the case then marved pancada and sacy are horrible because their stats were worse than tenz and the impact they had was slim to none (other than pancada maybe, talkimg about lcq btw)
Pengu12 [#10]Sen praccing was not a problem they were scrimming like crazy for lock//in and practiced more then the average team according to them on Kaplan
everyone shat on shahz for saying this back in 2021/2022 but it seems he was right, theres no point in praccing all day long if you aren't doing it right, look at kru they took a break when every team was scrimming and had a mental reset and everything worked for them and they used their prac times correctly instead of overdoing it
noxx [#17]everyone shat on shahz for saying this back in 2021/2022 but it seems he was right, theres no point in praccing all day long if you aren't doing it right, look at kru they took a break when every team was scrimming and had a mental reset and everything worked for them and they used their prac times correctly instead of overdoing it
Fair but u still have to prac to win, the old sen team didn’t even try(there were internal issues in the team not rlly one players fault)
noxx [#16]if thats the case then marved pancada and sacy are horrible because their stats were worse than tenz and the impact they had was slim to none (other than pancada maybe, talkimg about lcq btw)
What I was thinking but didn’t wanna be called a TenZ fanboy lmao
This narrative that TenZ isn't good enough to be in the franchised league is fucking dumb as shit. TenZ was literally a top 10 player during America's LCQ and was not at all the reason SEN couldn't win it. He's still a really good player and if SEN had an actual IGL, maybe they would have won, and the narrative is completely different.
GhostNexus [#22]Koalanoob is 10 times better than TenZ don't disrespect Koala like that lmao. His rifling, oping, flexibility all way better than TenZ
Koalanoob is better than tenz , his riflling , oping , flexibility all way better than tenZ.
Let's see if Koalanoob can make it to franchising and let's see if any team feels like Koala is that good.
noxx [#17]everyone shat on shahz for saying this back in 2021/2022 but it seems he was right, theres no point in praccing all day long if you aren't doing it right, look at kru they took a break when every team was scrimming and had a mental reset and everything worked for them and they used their prac times correctly instead of overdoing it
well sen had prob some of the best one time execs in all LCQ
KRU just had perfect spacing and fundamentals its what really separates it
Kaplan keeps thinking this team needs more advanced shit but they gotta drill the basics until its second nature
cboomer [#24]well sen had prob some of the best one time execs in all LCQ
KRU just had perfect spacing and fundamentals its what really separates it
Kaplan keeps thinking this team needs more advanced shit but they gotta drill the basics until its second nature
Imo it’s the players struggling w comms, look at the game vs fur or kru u will see that the players had decent execs but amazing spacing and fundamentals cause the comms were more fluid and less based on strat, now kaplan is trying to teach the whole team(mainly marved but everyone calls) how to call strats and it’s clearly messing with their comms
That’s why I think they need an igl so that everyone else can just focus on the fundamentals
Pengu12 [#18]Fair but u still have to prac to win, the old sen team didn’t even try(there were internal issues in the team not rlly one players fault)
thats not very fair, the old team DID try but they could only do so much with all the problems surrounding the team
StutterSt3p [#20]This narrative that TenZ isn't good enough to be in the franchised league is fucking dumb as shit. TenZ was literally a top 10 player during America's LCQ and was not at all the reason SEN couldn't win it. He's still a really good player and if SEN had an actual IGL, maybe they would have won, and the narrative is completely different.
Ik it is sad and if he continues to play on a mid franchising team he will continue to have his potential locked within himself, the only way I see him getting less hate and improving his mental is if he goes to T2 and grinds, his team doesnt have to like win the entire ascension tourney he just has to prove that he is still one of the best Americas has to offer
Pengu12 [#12]Honestly, looking back at it I think this team would have found a lot of success if dephh was playing sentinel, he could have just focused on IGLing while his teammates killed everyone on the server
Now imo the best move is to just replace marved with johnqt and move pancada back to senti and then give the roster time
Don't you mean move pancada back to smokes?
noxx [#26]thats not very fair, the old team DID try but they could only do so much with all the problems surrounding the team
Exactly their were internet issues not anyone’s fault
SNG [#5]Honestly, I don't think he cares that much about winning anymore. He's got too much going on in his life. I don't see him leaving SEN i think he becomes a content creator for them tbh.
Honestly, I don't think he cares that much about winning anymore
WTF who even gives up on winning, so you're saying he is just happy to be there
Hard2Decipher [#31]Honestly, I don't think he cares that much about winning anymore
WTF who even gives up on winning, so you're saying he is just happy to be there
Hes braindead for that, the entire Sen team is as clearly putting in a lot of effort eventhough it didn’t work out
Pengu12 [#25]Imo it’s the players struggling w comms, look at the game vs fur or kru u will see that the players had decent execs but amazing spacing and fundamentals cause the comms were more fluid and less based on strat, now kaplan is trying to teach the whole team(mainly marved but everyone calls) how to call strats and it’s clearly messing with their comms
That’s why I think they need an igl so that everyone else can just focus on the fundamentals
bro a lot of teams can function without a proper old school IGL though,
Learning how to function as a unit will obviously take time and you're right that everyone calls
The entire team is intelligent especially zekken and sacy there is no reason why in the future it can't be a self sufficient team calling wise like PRX and EG are
cboomer [#33]bro a lot of teams can function without a proper old school IGL though,
Learning how to function as a unit will obviously take time and you're right that everyone calls
The entire team is intelligent especially zekken and sacy there is no reason why in the future it can't be a self sufficient team calling wise like PRX and EG are
Most teams that don’t have a clear igl aren’t as strat heavy and rely on insane fundamentals like Prx, I don’t think kaplans coaching style is fit for that type of team and marved is clearly struggling because of it(he is having to focus a lot more on calling then players like boostio or davai)
Yes having no clear igl works, but not for every team, I think Sen need a more versatile coach who understands this style better then Kaplan does
Pengu12 [#34]Most teams that don’t have a clear igl aren’t as strat heavy and rely on insane fundamentals like Prx, I don’t think kaplans coaching style is fit for that type of team and marved is clearly struggling because of it(he is having to focus a lot more on calling then players like boostio or davai)
Yes having no clear igl works, but not for every team, I think Sen need a more versatile coach who understands this style better then Kaplan does
TBH if you look at m80 johnqt really isn't even close to valyn calling wise but because of the whole cores ability to function theyve suceeded
point being that kaplan made johnqt the IGL he is today im pretty sure its just a shortsighted sentinels approach. Marved looked like a good IGL vs lev on KRU until he ran out of strats which is why i think sen just overcook
I would 100% as sentinels pick up atleast an assistant with A name big enough where he can make changes you can overpay fnatic for SLK or get engh
SLK probably is the perfect choice if he would be open to it and wants like twice the paycheck
GhostNexus [#22]Koalanoob is 10 times better than TenZ don't disrespect Koala like that lmao. His rifling, oping, flexibility all way better than TenZ
cboomer [#35]TBH if you look at m80 johnqt really isn't even close to valyn calling wise but because of the whole cores ability to function theyve suceeded
point being that kaplan made johnqt the IGL he is today im pretty sure its just a shortsighted sentinels approach. Marved looked like a good IGL vs lev on KRU until he ran out of strats which is why i think sen just overcook
I would 100% as sentinels pick up atleast an assistant with A name big enough where he can make changes you can overpay fnatic for SLK or get engh
SLK probably is the perfect choice if he would be open to it and wants like twice the paycheck
Marved looked like a good igl on what???
What u r saying could be true but imo it was more of marved struggling to call coherent strats and keep up with with fragging which ended up in a lot of overused strats and one dimensional strats(no real second layers to rounds just take some control and end on a site) which def cost the team
Pengu12 [#37]Marved looked like a good igl on what???
What u r saying could be true but imo it was more of marved struggling to call coherent strats and keep up with with fragging which ended up in a lot of overused strats and one dimensional strats(no real second layers to rounds just take some control and end on a site) which def cost the team
so, from what ive seen marved just lacks a lot of depth as igl which makes sense since hes barely midrounded
Hes not going to be good at managing the team like fns would
Look at pearl vs 100t for example some of their actual site hits were properly practiced and well called by marved but their post plant every round was terrible
But you kinda get the main point which is that once marved calls a few execs or retakes that were practiced a team like lev can just adjust and make it irrelevant, thats where the lack of layers and fundamentals really reeks
cboomer [#40]so, from what ive seen marved just lacks a lot of depth as igl which makes sense since hes barely midrounded
Hes not going to be good at managing the team like fns would
Look at pearl vs 100t for example some of their actual site hits were properly practiced and well called by marved but their post plant every round was terrible
But you kinda get the main point which is that once marved calls a few execs or retakes that were practiced a team like lev can just adjust and make it irrelevant, thats where the lack of layers and fundamentals really reeks
Yes for sure, I’m sure if u give it time marved will improve but I think it would be better to just get johnqt
sdgdfdrgdrfgdrgdrfttdhy [#39]Shaz couldn't even make it to ascension lil bro 💀
I firmly supported G2, but I can tell you Shahz was NOT the problem there at all
Nrg_Finesse_ [#23]Koalanoob is better than tenz , his riflling , oping , flexibility all way better than tenZ.
Let's see if Koalanoob can make it to franchising and let's see if any team feels like Koala is that good.
If they don't pick him it doesn't change the fact that he's just straight up better than TenZ lmfao. There's no space for duelists rn so he most likely won't get picked up but he's still no diffs tenz
SAMPV6 [#42]I firmly supported G2, but I can tell you Shahz was NOT the problem there at all
If hes not the problem why does no t1 org want him? Why hasn't he produced results in over 2 years? Shaz has done nothing since 2021.
sdgdfdrgdrfgdrgdrfttdhy [#44]If hes not the problem why does no t1 org want him? Why hasn't he produced results in over 2 years? Shaz has done nothing since 2021.
You are absolutely brain damaged if this is your logic
SAMPV6 [#46]You are absolutely brain damaged if this is your logic
Oh well nothing u can do to convince a SEN fan. Bet u still think the Iceland team would be champs contenders today. Keep supporting t2 players they're needed but the delusion is yours if you think Shaz is t1 material. There's a reason no t1 team wants him 💀.
sdgdfdrgdrfgdrgdrfttdhy [#47]Oh well nothing u can do to convince a SEN fan. Bet u still think the Iceland team would be champs contenders today. Keep supporting t2 players they're needed but the delusion is yours if you think Shaz is t1 material. There's a reason no t1 team wants him 💀.
How do you know no T1 orgs want him? There has been 0 trading periods, and he was dropped late in rostermania
Stop speaking out of your ass lol
SAMPV6 [#50]How do you know no T1 orgs want him? There has been 0 trading periods, and he was dropped late in rostermania
Stop speaking out of your ass lol
It's true I am the orgs
sdgdfdrgdrfgdrgdrfttdhy [#44]If hes not the problem why does no t1 org want him? Why hasn't he produced results in over 2 years? Shaz has done nothing since 2021.
Well simply because shahz isn't franchising worthy it's that simple. Doesn't mean he isn't great as an individual or as an anti strat asset to the team but his IGLing style is out of meta and just doesn't work nowadays unless you have a roster like FNC
Pengu12 [#32]Hes braindead for that, the entire Sen team is as clearly putting in a lot of effort eventhough it didn’t work out
"the whole team is putting in effort except tenz because I don't like that he has a bunch of 12 year old dick riders"
Warlordwibz [#11]but SEN is the classic "always changing roster" team. Feel like SEN is cursed domestically, not able to go International.
Look at my dephh post, there are reasons to it, if they just stick to this roster theyll at the very least do good next year
noxx [#26]thats not very fair, the old team DID try but they could only do so much with all the problems surrounding the team
Seems a lot of ppl don't get how unlucky Sen were last year, they faced problem after problem non stop and no chance to make a difference. Shame honestly
Nrg_Finesse_ [#23]Koalanoob is better than tenz , his riflling , oping , flexibility all way better than tenZ.
Let's see if Koalanoob can make it to franchising and let's see if any team feels like Koala is that good.
Tbf tho from what we can tell koala is better than tenz
ItsHunter [#52]Well simply because shahz isn't franchising worthy it's that simple. Doesn't mean he isn't great as an individual or as an anti strat asset to the team but his IGLing style is out of meta and just doesn't work nowadays unless you have a roster like FNC
Well simply because shahz isn't franchising worthy it's that simple
no shit thats the whole point of the goddamn argument
SAMPV6 [#50]How do you know no T1 orgs want him? There has been 0 trading periods, and he was dropped late in rostermania
Stop speaking out of your ass lol
How do you know no T1 orgs want him
he was a free agent when franchising started no one picked him up. he is a free agent right now no one picks him up. if you think teams want him they sure arent putting any effort into getting him...
ItsHunter [#53]"the whole team is putting in effort except tenz because I don't like that he has a bunch of 12 year old dick riders"
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TrialRunnr [#48]too clouted for tier 2 and not good enough for tier 1
CC is the best option.Respect tho if he choses to compete and make pennies instead of making millions while streaming
he definitely is good enough for tier 1 and has the potential to be one of the best, the way he played the game in 2022 and 2023 is very different he is way less confident and rarely going for hero plays, could be because of his irl problems but we will never know but tenz is definitely tier 1 material even fns agrees that he can get a spot if he wants to play next year
ItsHunter [#52]Well simply because shahz isn't franchising worthy it's that simple. Doesn't mean he isn't great as an individual or as an anti strat asset to the team but his IGLing style is out of meta and just doesn't work nowadays unless you have a roster like FNC
theres literally 2 or 3 good IGLs in NA like FNS, Valyn, Boostio and maybe johnqt (but his style of calling depends on the team environment) and shahz can be tier 1 if a proper coach helps him call better and make better ingame decisions even if the game wasnt as advanced back when they won iceland, he still single handedly beat the fnc core who are dominating rn (mini boaster and derke) he still has it in him and if he gets a chance im sure he can prove it
GhostNexus [#43]If they don't pick him it doesn't change the fact that he's just straight up better than TenZ lmfao. There's no space for duelists rn so he most likely won't get picked up but he's still no diffs tenz
Bro how can you say he's better than tenZ when the opponents that he's playing are not as good as franchised ones.
You stop that tenz hate for once and look on the brighter side life would be better
sdgdfdrgdrfgdrgdrfttdhy [#59]How do you know no T1 orgs want him
he was a free agent when franchising started no one picked him up. he is a free agent right now no one picks him up. if you think teams want him they sure arent putting any effort into getting him...
You have no idea what you're talking about, this is the off season and there are no events except for champions until 2024, it makes 0 sense for any org to pick up anybody.
Your ignorance is showing.
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