I just started getting some of his videos recommended to me on Youtube and watched some of them to hear a new perspective. Thought he made some good points but sometimes it feels like he insults the person he's talking about if he doesn't have a good counter-argument
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Exactly the kind of person he is. Inside he makes good points but for some reason blud has the ego as high as fucking space. Brother needs to always feel above others he talks to which makes him look like a fool. However that also attracts a lot of attention cause people love watching streams of fools. Hence his business model.
hes a hypocrite. follow someone in real life, who's good words translate into his good actions. finished.
its rare that you will find a person like this in these days. follow a person who is exactly like he is with his wife, as he is with his employer, as he is with a needy person, as he is with his children, as he is with his parents. that is a truthful, honorable and dignified person.
h786 [#8]hes a hypocrite. follow someone in real life, who's good words translate into his good actions. finished.
its rare that you will find a person like this in these days. follow a person who is exactly like he is with his wife, as he is with his employer, as he is with a needy person, as he is with his children, as he is with his parents. that is a truthful, honorable and dignified person.
hasan is a hypocrite who attracts other hypocrites, who doesnt live up to his standards, so anyone with a rational and truthful heart will know how to filter the good from the bad
widepeepofrosty [#6]hasansaveamerica or whatever his name is, incoming...
the guy who called me racist then called nigeria a primitive shithole 😇
LycheeBlade [#7]he's not the person you should look at for actual political opinions -- he and i share views a lot but he's just too over the top and sometimes insufferable about it. if you watch him for the content/with a grain of salt, then sure. just don't base your every opinion off of what he says PLEASE
Yea I feel like this is good advice for any political commentator / news source. Don't just accept what people say blindly, use them as sources of information to allow yourself to come to your own beliefs on the matter. I agree with hasanabi on some things and disagree on others but his aura of negativity when talking down on other people kinda ruins it for me
common virtue signaler. Hes a good speaker and entertainer, I think he's funny, however, he should never be the center point of your political beliefs. He is well known for jumping to conclusions and omitting evidence to support his claims, and overall a hypocrite when it comes to how he behaves off stream. Very handsome tho
babysasuke [#2]insufferable loser and fake socialist
you're a vlr nutjob you're more of a loser than he is
gamr [#10]the guy who called me racist then called nigeria a primitive shithole 😇
Nice try projecting you're own racism to someone else. Calling a country unprogressive shithole ain't racist it's facts they don't even support lgbtq rights there
HassanWillSaveAmerica [#20]Nice try projecting you're own racism to someone else. Calling a country unprogressive shithole ain't racist it's facts they don't even support lgbtq rights there
Your*
Cresp [#14]common virtue signaler. Hes a good speaker and entertainer, I think he's funny, however, he should never be the center point of your political beliefs. He is well known for jumping to conclusions and omitting evidence to support his claims, and overall a hypocrite when it comes to how he behaves off stream. Very handsome tho
How many times does he need to prove he is not just a "virtue-signaler" like you haters make him out to be. He donates to charity more than you do, especially since you're on vlr 24/7 i doubt you have a job to donate into a charity. Shut yo ass up!
Cresp [#24]Worth 5 million now btw
Surely he will sell it and use the money to help those less fortunate
HassanWillSaveAmerica [#27]who tf cares? he helps the poor more than you idiots do
he's a hypocrite
no one needs a 2.5 million dollar home, he bought it because he loves consumer America just as much as the rest of us
I'm not one to disrespect the hustle for those that can afford it, but it goes against the ideas he was pushing to get the working class to fund his millionaire lifestyle
insufferable loser and fake socialist
HassanWillSaveAmerica [#25]How many times does he need to prove he is not just a "virtue-signaler" like you haters make him out to be. He donates to charity more than you do, especially since you're on vlr 24/7 i doubt you have a job to donate into a charity. Shut yo ass up!
This is why you shouldn’t center your beliefs around him. You become just as delusional and parasocial because of it!
arin2016 [#29]Never let evil take root.
Never let evil take root.
Never let evil take root.
Never let evil take root.
Never let evil take root.
exactly why he's overall a force for good
Cresp [#31]This is why you shouldn’t center your beliefs around him. You become just as delusional and parasocial because of it!
Trying to avoid my argument now? How is he virtue signaling when he always took action and donating to charities
HassanWillSaveAmerica [#34]Trying to avoid my argument now? How is he virtue signaling when he always took action and donating to charities
He doesnt live an actual life of humility. He is preaching values he doesnt have. Lots of big conservatives give to charity are they socialist now?
babysasuke [#30]he's a hypocrite
no one needs a 2.5 million dollar home, he bought it because he loves consumer America just as much as the rest of us
I'm not one to disrespect the hustle for those that can afford it, but it goes against the ideas he was pushing to get the working class to fund his millionaire lifestyle
insufferable loser and fake socialist
The top 0.1% richest in US hold 20,4% of the countries wealth. Capitalism isn't the way to go, also knocking the "hustle" point. There is no "hustle" they just screw over the working class by paying them 20% of what they actually deserve
Yessirskiiii [#37]The top 0.1% richest in US hold 20,4% of the countries wealth. Capitalism isn't the way to go, also knocking the "hustle" point. There is no "hustle" they just screw over the working class by paying them 20% of what they actually deserve
We shouldnt argue beyond hassan’s hypocrisy lets respect everyones political views. He was just saying that he doesnt practice what he preaches.
babysasuke [#30]he's a hypocrite
no one needs a 2.5 million dollar home, he bought it because he loves consumer America just as much as the rest of us
I'm not one to disrespect the hustle for those that can afford it, but it goes against the ideas he was pushing to get the working class to fund his millionaire lifestyle
insufferable loser and fake socialist
benefiting from the system in place doesnt mean we cant criticize it
Yessirskiiii [#37]The top 0.1% richest in US hold 20,4% of the countries wealth. Capitalism isn't the way to go, also knocking the "hustle" point. There is no "hustle" they just screw over the working class by paying them 20% of what they actually deserve
I have no political opinions 👍
I am only here to hate on Hasan 👍
Cresp [#36]He doesnt live an actual life of humility. He is preaching values he doesnt have. Lots of big conservatives give to charity are they socialist now?
I never said people who donates to charity are socialist but atleast for hasan even if he spends millions on mansions he is still spreading the correct ideology and system while also helping people in the sidelines. You're just a hater and a bigot at this point if you still hate him after what he's done
alice_ [#39]benefiting from the system in place doesnt mean we cant criticize it
I have no political opinions 👍
I am only here to hate on Hasan 👍
HassanWillSaveAmerica [#45]Valorant heavily supports the left and also leftists usually have college degrees so left-leaning people are smarter than most unlike the right, who are just uneducated farmers getting scammed by a cult leader for how ignorant they are
name checks out 💀
babysasuke [#40]I have no political opinions 👍
I am only here to hate on Hasan 👍
Fair enough broski
HassanWillSaveAmerica [#41]I never said people who donates to charity are socialist but atleast for hasan even if he spends millions on mansions he is still spreading the correct ideology and system while also helping people in the sidelines. You're just a hater and a bigot at this point if you still hate him after what he's done
I do agree with his ideology but he doesnt live in a humble way or act like a socialist really should. He goes on spending sprees, he acts like a dickhead and my biggest issue with him is that he isnt a respectful debater. He got in a huge argument with destiny because of how bad he treated his opponents in debates ( I think destiny is a huge weirdo btw much worse than hassan), but he is not a prime example of a good left leaning debater especially when he uses misinterpreted evidence to support claims.
Another thing that bothers me about him is his angry army of teenagers that do no research apart from watching his videos and become essentially pragmatic about socialism and social democracy. They also go around to people who are not even talking about politics but criticizing Hassan as a person and calling them bigot, which makes him just an insufferable loser with his fanbase of insufferable losers.
HassanWillSaveAmerica [#48]found the offended texan farmer
so far from correct that its almost impressive
HassanWillSaveAmerica [#48]found the offended texan farmer
Babysasuke ain't no racist hillbilly. You coming at the wrong people rn
Yessirskiiii [#52]Babysasuke ain't no racist hillbilly. You coming at the wrong people rn
nah he's pretty much in the same crowd as i see it, this is the same dude who sided with homophobes just to one up subreezy
HassanWillSaveAmerica [#53]nah he's pretty much in the same crowd as i see it, this is the same dude who sided with homophobes just to one up subreezy
prove it 🥱 (you can't because it didnt happen)
You're not cookin shit lil man
babysasuke [#54]prove it 🥱 (you can't because it didnt happen)
You're not cookin shit lil man
classic hassan fan misinterprets an argument and makes it what is convenient for them
alice_ [#39]benefiting from the system in place doesnt mean we cant criticize it
Technically true, but I really don't want to hear about leftism from someone who very clearly doesn't believe what he's spouting.
How can someone so openly call out the 1% who drown in wealth while working people suffer to put food on the table while living such a slothful, gluttonous lifestyle?
It's like if Something started complaining about a player overpeeking. Yes, he could be right, but if he himself overpeeks more than anyone else in the game then why should I like him as a person, or trust that his words are coming out of actual gamesense and not just frustration?
In the case of Hasanabi why should I genuinely believe that he is going to do anything at all to help working people other than tell people pretty words and profit off their donations? If anything all he's done is give platforms to insanely problematic personalities in the political side of the internet like infrared, because no matter if they get dogged on in a debate, the sheer amount of views this guy gets means even if only a small percentage of them agree with the lunatic on the microphone, that lunatic will still gain a large following.
He is the textbook definition of a grifter, commercializing politics for his gain and nobody elses
babysasuke [#54]prove it 🥱 (you can't because it didnt happen)
You're not cookin shit lil man
easy for you to say that rn when the threads already got deleted
HassanWillSaveAmerica [#57]easy for you to say that rn when the threads already got deleted
easy for me to say whenever in any situation because I'm not pretending to be something I'm not for subscribers and donations :)
babysasuke [#59]easy for me to say whenever in any situation because I'm not pretending to be something I'm not for subscribers and donations :)
you coming off just a bigot rn and just hating for no reason
HassanWillSaveAmerica [#60]you coming off just a bigot rn and just hating for no reason
interesting take 👍
Halleluhwah [#28]socialism is when you performatively live in a place you have 10x the money for
"Talk about Socialism all day without doing a thing to help the cause; also live the most wasteful. gluttonous, and slothful lifestyle imaginable while doing so, that is how we will overcome class struggles--leave any actual political change that would affect you off to some arbitrary future" - Karl Marx, probably
The only argument you can make about Hasanabi is that he helps spread ideas of leftism by making them more mainstream.
But if that's really the case, then his image should be part of that. If your main mechanism for bringing change onto society is having a large audience to educate, then why should anyone trust someone who does not practice even a hint of moderation in his wealthy life to talk about how the poor are suffering? It only hurts his credibility when talking about left-wing politics, the only thing he's actually useful for
babysasuke [#59]easy for me to say whenever in any situation because I'm not pretending to be something I'm not for subscribers and donations :)
Someone you know is doing that minus the subs and donations tho kkkkkkkk
HassanWillSaveAmerica [#45]Valorant heavily supports the left and also leftists usually have college degrees so left-leaning people are smarter than most unlike the right, who are just uneducated farmers getting scammed by a cult leader for how ignorant they are
So you're the guy who thinks degree = smart.
Yessirskiiii [#63]Someone you know is doing that minus the subs and donations tho kkkkkkkk
NO POLITICS
he wasnt wrong though
h786 [#64]So you're the guy who thinks degree = smart.
says the guy who still believes in the desert magic man
HassanWillSaveAmerica [#45]Valorant heavily supports the left and also leftists usually have college degrees so left-leaning people are smarter than most unlike the right, who are just uneducated farmers getting scammed by a cult leader for how ignorant they are
What an idiotic, self-aggrandizing take. You think being smart is affiliated with a political belief? Please talk to real people of different belief systems and stop generalizing about people online
HassanWillSaveAmerica [#27]who tf cares? he helps the poor more than you idiots do
Whataboutism at its finest, if you were debating hassan he'd call you out on that you know
babysasuke [#2]insufferable loser and fake socialist
I never thought I'd see the day where I actually agree with babysasuke
HassanWillSaveAmerica [#66]says the guy who still believes in the desert magic man
thats literally what a bigot would say...
Nachtel [#62]"Talk about Socialism all day without doing a thing to help the cause; also live the most wasteful. gluttonous, and slothful lifestyle imaginable while doing so, that is how we will overcome class struggles--leave any actual political change that would affect you off to some arbitrary future" - Karl Marx, probably
The only argument you can make about Hasanabi is that he helps spread ideas of leftism by making them more mainstream.
But if that's really the case, then his image should be part of that. If your main mechanism for bringing change onto society is having a large audience to educate, then why should anyone trust someone who does not practice even a hint of moderation in his wealthy life to talk about how the poor are suffering? It only hurts his credibility when talking about left-wing politics, the only thing he's actually useful for
what are the practices youre expecting out of him to believe him
alice_ [#71]what are the practices youre expecting out of him to believe him
Not buying a 5 million dollar house for starters; I mean c'mon just buy a normal middle class house and people would understand.
you can buy a mansion for a 800k in some places, the guy actually bought himself a fucking palace
HassanWillSaveAmerica [#45]Valorant heavily supports the left and also leftists usually have college degrees so left-leaning people are smarter than most unlike the right, who are just uneducated farmers getting scammed by a cult leader for how ignorant they are
I'm 90% sure that working class Americans would side with far left ideology if they weren't fed complete lies by right wing media
Nachtel [#73]Not buying a 5 million dollar house for starters; I mean c'mon just buy a normal middle class house and people would understand.
you can buy a mansion for a 800k in some places, the guy actually bought himself a fucking palace
why would anyone buy a "normal middle class house" if u can afford something better
it sounds like the "youre a communist but u have an iphone" kind of argument
like im not even trying to defend him or anything i just thing that argument is silly
V0sotros [#74]I'm 90% sure that working class Americans would side with far left ideology if they weren't fed complete lies by right wing media
Nope they themselves chose to watch fucking fox news there's no cure for being ignorant and dumb
I don’t watch political arguments online and shit, it’s annoying.
When you get too focused on one political side vs your actual beliefs you’re gonna end in bad spot.
Work on yourself and improve yourself to the point where you can end up a relevant podcast.
What can you do from your position otherwise?
Neonfreak [#67]What an idiotic, self-aggrandizing take. You think being smart is affiliated with a political belief? Please talk to real people of different belief systems and stop generalizing about people online
he may have been really dickish and generalized two whole groups of people, but is he really wrong? You see that the majority of universities, professors, and people with PhDs tend to be left leaning. A lot of the stuff that is considered left-leaning nowadays, like feminism, gay rights, critical race theory, etc. have roots in higher education and a lot of the theory involved has a prerequisite knowledge and education in fields like sociology that you can't get outside of a classroom. Not to say that conservative ideology can't be rooted in educational systems as well, but a lot of higher-education systems lean leftist.
Nachtel [#62]"Talk about Socialism all day without doing a thing to help the cause; also live the most wasteful. gluttonous, and slothful lifestyle imaginable while doing so, that is how we will overcome class struggles--leave any actual political change that would affect you off to some arbitrary future" - Karl Marx, probably
The only argument you can make about Hasanabi is that he helps spread ideas of leftism by making them more mainstream.
But if that's really the case, then his image should be part of that. If your main mechanism for bringing change onto society is having a large audience to educate, then why should anyone trust someone who does not practice even a hint of moderation in his wealthy life to talk about how the poor are suffering? It only hurts his credibility when talking about left-wing politics, the only thing he's actually useful for
ah yes that mirrors the famous Adam Smith quote, "to be even the slightest amount of pro-capitalist, you must work 24 hours a day every day to maximize your profit like a zombie"
the man has said multiple times that he's an entertainer, who also talks about politics. that's why nobody should look up to him as a political philosopher, but if his points get someone to read more into left-wing politics then his actions are good
HassanWillSaveAmerica [#76]Nope they themselves chose to watch fucking fox news there's no cure for being ignorant and dumb
do you realize how terrible this mindset is for the cause? Labelling right-wingers as mind-controlled zombies who can't think for themselves is a massive reason why right-wingers won't listen to us. They are people too with their own desires and worries. They are doing what they think is best for themselves and the people they love, and because of Fox News and other stupid right-wing media, they think that the status quo is the best solution when in reality it is sucking them dry of all their worth, and when they are no longer valuable to the system they'll be fucking dropped off with no help. Empathy is how you get people to support you, not being a dick and trying to get in argument matches lil bro.
Neonfreak [#67]What an idiotic, self-aggrandizing take. You think being smart is affiliated with a political belief? Please talk to real people of different belief systems and stop generalizing about people online
Can you blame me when most of them are on the poorer states leeching off federal funds but still remain uneducated, ignorant and fools who got scammed into following a cult leader
alice_ [#75]why would anyone buy a "normal middle class house" if u can afford something better
it sounds like the "youre a communist but u have an iphone" kind of argumentlike im not even trying to defend him or anything i just thing that argument is silly
If you care about your brand as an ally of those same working people who, for the most part, are forced to pay rent every month for a roof over their head that they do not own, and who advocates strongly against rich landowners, the 1%
Then I don't think you should flaunt your wealth as if you were part of the 1%
HassanWillSaveAmerica [#76]Nope they themselves chose to watch fucking fox news there's no cure for being ignorant and dumb
bro stop please you're the worst kind of hasan-orbiting talking head
V0sotros [#78]he may have been really dickish and generalized two whole groups of people, but is he really wrong? You see that the majority of universities, professors, and people with PhDs tend to be left leaning. A lot of the stuff that is considered left-leaning nowadays, like feminism, gay rights, critical race theory, etc. have roots in higher education and a lot of the theory involved has a prerequisite knowledge and education in fields like sociology that you can't get outside of a classroom. Not to say that conservative ideology can't be rooted in educational systems as well, but a lot of higher-education systems lean leftist.
This is solely because the left leaning side is mostly theoretical, similar to Marxist theory its spans from a belief system created through pure thought. This is why you see more optimistic young and educated people tend to lean to the left, however, its not to say the right isn't a studied science, it tends to take in empirical evidence for most of its rhetoric, and appeals to solid anecdotal evidence which allows people who tend to believe in faith or have more experience to side with them.
I personally believe both sides have to be qualified before they actually get to their best functioning self, since both of these research and conclusion methods have their benefits and faults.
HassanWillSaveAmerica [#76]Nope they themselves chose to watch fucking fox news there's no cure for being ignorant and dumb
Two sides of the same side of the coin
Don’t let one party consume you
The real enemy is the two party system.
Look what the US did to the ME
(Also we’re all getting banned for politics in abt an hour)
Cresp [#84]This is solely because the left leaning side is mostly theoretical, similar to Marxist theory its spans from a belief system created through pure thought. This is why you see more optimistic young and educated people tend to lean to the left, however, its not to say the right isn't a studied science, it tends to take in empirical evidence for most of its rhetoric, and appeals to solid anecdotal evidence which allows people who tend to believe in faith or have more experience to side with them.
I personally believe both sides have to be qualified before they actually get to their best functioning self, since both of these research and conclusion methods have their benefits and faults.
from my own personal experience (probably not a very good source), a lot of right-wing talking points are based on anecdotes with dubious accuracy that are used to make edge cases look like the norm. I see Fox News on at the gym a lot, and 90% of the time they talk about shit like critical race theory and the LGBT community, and use one-off incidents that happened as a representation of the entire nation. It's probably just the media being shit as usual, but that's the majority of my interaction with super right-wing people so that's all I really know.
V0sotros [#80]do you realize how terrible this mindset is for the cause? Labelling right-wingers as mind-controlled zombies who can't think for themselves is a massive reason why right-wingers won't listen to us. They are people too with their own desires and worries. They are doing what they think is best for themselves and the people they love, and because of Fox News and other stupid right-wing media, they think that the status quo is the best solution when in reality it is sucking them dry of all their worth, and when they are no longer valuable to the system they'll be fucking dropped off with no help. Empathy is how you get people to support you, not being a dick and trying to get in argument matches lil bro.
Labeling right wingers as mind-control zombies is absolutely correct because that's what they are! They're radicals! When they still never supported gay rights movement, crt, and feminism and even opposed it, i stopped looking at them as humans. They're just hate-filled pos
HassanWillSaveAmerica [#90]Labeling right wingers as mind-control zombies is absolutely correct because that's what they are! They're radicals! When they still never supported gay rights movement, crt, and feminism and even opposed it, i stopped looking at them as humans. They're just hate-filled pos
And why do you think they didn't support gay rights, crt, and feminism bro? Do you seriously think they were just born with the hatred of women, black people, and gay people programmed into them?
V0sotros [#89]from my own personal experience (probably not a very good source), a lot of right-wing talking points are based on anecdotes with dubious accuracy that are used to make edge cases look like the norm. I see Fox News on at the gym a lot, and 90% of the time they talk about shit like critical race theory and the LGBT community, and use one-off incidents that happened as a representation of the entire nation. It's probably just the media being shit as usual, but that's the majority of my interaction with super right-wing people so that's all I really know.
I agree that current right wing rhetoric is extremely radical. which is why I said that it has to be qualified to even be considered a good talking point which is why the better right wing debaters normally have more progressive right wing takes.
Cresp [#92]I agree that current right wing rhetoric is extremely radical. which is why I said that it has to be qualified to even be considered a good talking point which is why the better right wing debaters normally have more progressive right wing takes.
can you give some examples of these progressive right wing takes? Just curious
V0sotros [#91]And why do you think they didn't support gay rights, crt, and feminism bro? Do you seriously think they were just born with the hatred of women, black people, and gay people programmed into them?
Look at the history of the USA and you know why they hate minorities. They're just a byproduct of american history of racism and religious zealotry. There's no need to take pity on these subhumans
Yessirskiiii [#94]Wasn't wrong in what?
idek what we're waffling about tbh
imma take my talents elsewhere and let this thread get nuked because people could not control themselves and leave the discussion to Hasan being a cringe hypocrite
HassanWillSaveAmerica [#96]Look at the history of the USA and you know why they hate minorities. They're just a byproduct of american history of racism and religious zealotry. There's no need to take pity on these subhumans
Such obvious baiting
0/8
Hate is overrated, go enjoy your life.
HassanWillSaveAmerica [#96]Look at the history of the USA and you know why they hate minorities. They're just a byproduct of american history of racism and religious zealotry. There's no need to take pity on these subhumans
The history of America doesn't have to be indicative of the present. We had slaves in the past does that mean all Americans now support slavery? The goal for lefties should be to try and connect with people and educate them on the topics, not piss them off and call them subhuman
Halleluhwah [#79]ah yes that mirrors the famous Adam Smith quote, "to be even the slightest amount of pro-capitalist, you must work 24 hours a day every day to maximize your profit like a zombie"
the man has said multiple times that he's an entertainer, who also talks about politics. that's why nobody should look up to him as a political philosopher, but if his points get someone to read more into left-wing politics then his actions are good
Ah yes just as proudhon said "if you want to win an argument, just take whatever the other guy said and strawman a version of it taken to the absolute extreme"
I'm not saying he should be begging for scraps like diogenes dude; he can live a comfortable life. I'm saying he shouldn't be flaunting his wealth and buying a fucking palace for himself while complaining about how wasteful capitalism is.
If his only worth is to be an entry way into leftist politics then I feel bad for whoever mightve been interested in learning more, saw this rich boy being a walking contradiction and got turned away.
What's more, I feel bad for the hundreds of people that began following the genocide-supporting infrared after Hasan gave him a platform--despite Infrared making an absolute mockery out of himself
V0sotros [#93]can you give some examples of these progressive right wing takes? Just curious
Idrk bc im not a conservative, but I usually find some decent points in Freidmanism ideology, or trying to explain scandinavian socialism as more of a segmentation of the public and private sector, and how to explain it. I have heard some more interesting theories myself that I cant recall, but I have a friend that studies with me and we usually talk about my points of view (which are very socialist) and his which are normally more capitalist and regulation free.
tl;dr progressive right wing takes seek to sustain the status quo while changing some regulation to redistribute some of the wealth. It basically seeks to qualify the much more progrssive left wing.
essentially centrism.
Cresp [#101]Idrk bc im not a conservative, but I usually find some decent points in Freidmanism ideology, or trying to explain scandinavian socialism as more of a segmentation of the public and private sector, and how to explain it. I have heard some more interesting theories myself that I cant recall, but I have a friend that studies with me and we usually talk about my points of view (which are very socialist) and his which are normally more capitalist and regulation free.
tl;dr progressive right wing takes seek to sustain the status quo while changing some regulation to redistribute some of the wealth. It basically seeks to qualify the much more progrssive left wing.
essentially centrism.
interesting. I don't really see how maintaining the status quo while at the same time redistributing the wealth is possible, because eventually the money is just going to make it's way back to the top but it's definitely better than the shit we have in America.
V0sotros [#103]interesting. I don't really see how maintaining the status quo while at the same time redistributing the wealth is possible, because eventually the money is just going to make it's way back to the top but it's definitely better than the shit we have in America.
redistribution of wealth is coined by socialist/communist supporters but its basically applied in the US in a very underfunded system of equity.
enough politics for today.
V0sotros [#99]The history of America doesn't have to be indicative of the present. We had slaves in the past does that mean all Americans now support slavery? The goal for lefties should be to try and connect with people and educate them on the topics, not piss them off and call them subhuman
Why you still don't get it when all the right does is hate all their lives? Should we just let them hate us? You shouldn't sympathize with them as they are already irredeemable
HassanWillSaveAmerica [#106]Why you still don't get it when all the right does is hate all their lives? Should we just let them hate us? You shouldn't sympathize with them as they are already irredeemable
have you gone down to the south in somewhere like bay city and talked to people there?
it might make you change your perspective a bit
babysasuke [#2]insufferable loser and fake socialist
its rare to see babysasuke get upvotes, but this time it makes sense
Nachtel [#100]Ah yes just as proudhon said "if you want to win an argument, just take whatever the other guy said and strawman a version of it taken to the absolute extreme"
I'm not saying he should be begging for scraps like diogenes dude; he can live a comfortable life. I'm saying he shouldn't be flaunting his wealth and buying a fucking palace for himself while complaining about how wasteful capitalism is.
If his only worth is to be an entry way into leftist politics then I feel bad for whoever mightve been interested in learning more, saw this rich boy being a walking contradiction and got turned away.
What's more, I feel bad for the hundreds of people that began following the genocide-supporting infrared after Hasan gave him a platform--despite Infrared making an absolute mockery out of himself
check out the first paragraph of your first reply to me if you want to complain about strawmans :D just asking for future ref, how much can my income be and how many square metres can my house be if i still wanted to call myself socialist?
Halleluhwah [#110]check out the first paragraph of your first reply to me if you want to complain about strawmans :D just asking for future ref, how much can my income be and how many square metres can my house be if i still wanted to call myself socialist?
I don't want to get into actual politics but my honest answer is you should never have more wealth than is required for you to retire and live the rest of your life comfortably.
For Hasan's case, I don't care that he's rich, I care about the way he presents his wealth. It's the way he brands himselfs then contradicts that same image he's trying to push by being your typical wasteful LA multi-millionaire streamer, that's what annoys me about him. That's what makes me think he doesn't really care about what he's saying at all, because if he did he'd at least put even a little effort into at least appearing (note, I said appearing not actually doing) like he lives a more modest life, and that's what cements him as a grifter in my mind
Nachtel [#111]I don't want to get into actual politics but my honest answer is you should never have more wealth than is required for you to retire and live the rest of your life comfortably.
For Hasan's case, I don't care that he's rich, I care about the way he presents his wealth. It's the way he brands himselfs then contradicts that same image he's trying to push by being your typical wasteful LA multi-millionaire streamer, that's what annoys me about him. That's what makes me think he doesn't really care about what he's saying at all, because if he did he'd at least put even a little effort into at least appearing (note, I said appearing not actually doing) like he lives a more modest life, and that's what cements him as a grifter in my mind
in an ideal world, yes
Yessirskiiii [#37]The top 0.1% richest in US hold 20,4% of the countries wealth. Capitalism isn't the way to go, also knocking the "hustle" point. There is no "hustle" they just screw over the working class by paying them 20% of what they actually deserve
i personally hold 19.9% of that 20.4%
Halleluhwah [#113]in an ideal world, yes
If only we lived in an ideal world where hasan wasn't forced to hoarde all the excess wealth he has
Nachtel [#116]If only we lived in an ideal world where hasan wasn't forced to hoarde all the excess wealth he has
his excess wealth is so miniscule compared to the actual problems that i don't think it's necessary to think about it even lmao
Halleluhwah [#117]his excess wealth is so miniscule compared to the actual problems that i don't think it's necessary to think about it even lmao
again, my issue is with his branding, not the actual impact of his wealth.
The guy bought a mansion in HOLLYWOOD dude, he could've bought a house anywhere but he buys a mansion in fucking Hollywood.
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