Context: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7K9zCntCfqA&ab_channel=LERCO Saw this video in my timeline
Recently I've been seeing so many cs frogs shitting on the val esports scene and the game in general. Why can't they accept that the two scenes are completely different and so are the games. Why can't they coexist. This shit feels like the whole console debate.
saw this on my feed too lol, im more into the cs scene than val but the whole argument between the fan bases is really exhausting. and his arguments between the crowds was so biased LMFAO, he used clips from the paris major and compared it to the small little venues for crowds they had for the franchised seasons in val. still dont get why other cs people cant appreciate that there is a competitor to their game, it only makes both better in the long run
cobalt21312 [#5]daily cs v val thread i sleep. val tournaments have been improving imo and it takes time. val >>>> cs gameplay
disagree about the gameplay bro but i like both games, val is definitely the more casual experience and you can play more fast and loose, cs requires you to play more precisely or you just get punished, so i like 5 stacking or pugging cs way more but val is the more fun game to solo or duo
no need to have an argument about the game all the time none of us are going pro any time soon so we can play both yknow
dapada [#8]lets not act like val community hasn't been shitting on csgo too ok? especially on that last major trophy lmfao
Even the csgo community was shitting on it, it's really bad.
monitar [#11]let's wait tokyo crowd vs paris crowd.
I feel like Japanese are more reserved than the rest of the world
So we prolly won’t see crazy crowd, plus their home team is not gonna be playing so idk
monitar [#11]let's wait tokyo crowd vs paris crowd.
delusional if u think tokyo is gna be as good as paris
bruhahaha [#7]disagree about the gameplay bro but i like both games, val is definitely the more casual experience and you can play more fast and loose, cs requires you to play more precisely or you just get punished, so i like 5 stacking or pugging cs way more but val is the more fun game to solo or duo
no need to have an argument about the game all the time none of us are going pro any time soon so we can play both yknow
fair enough. i prefer val for multiple reasons - more fun to specialize in certain agents (i like team play) and its very nice not having to learn smoke/flash lineups like have u seen the mirage a smoke for terrorists wtf ppl gotta memorize that
Astroman77 [#10]CS will always be bigger than Valorant, and it's been years since I watched CS.
lock in and champ 2022 peaks were very close to rio and paris major peaks, in a couple of years they will probably be the same size already
SleepyBear [#17]cuz they Insecure, they know that one day Valorant might be Huge so they keep making this statement over and over again. to be honest the valo community has never debated who is the best between two scenes. they who the one keep making this CS vs Valo think idk why
because cs fans are just elitist,and valorant wanted to be and is a competitor to cs
Kkonakorner [#19]because cs fans are just elitist,and valorant wanted to be and is a competitor to cs
elitist lmao, if you know your game is better, there is no need to tell others, other people will tell (when did u see dota Community talking shit LOL ? never Why ? cuz they know whos better)
SleepyBear [#21]elitist lmao, if you know your game is better, there is no need to tell others, other people will tell (when did u see dota Community talking shit LOL ? never Why ? cuz they know whos better)
a lot lol do you think dota fans were not doing the same to league when they still could,and because valorant is like a little brother to cs whos trying to outshine it so ofcourse the elitist fans look down on it and make fun of it,its really not that serious bro
the thing is dota is just truly past its prime so they really don't have anything to clown league about anymore,they have already accepted defeat as the inferior game unlike cs
SleepyBear [#21]elitist lmao, if you know your game is better, there is no need to tell others, other people will tell (when did u see dota Community talking shit LOL ? never Why ? cuz they know whos better)
what are you on about? I've played both LoL and Dota, but I've played more Dota than I did LoL. I see the pros and the dota 2 community shit talk League whenever they have a chance. It's the same thing I'm seeing right now with CS, they look so insecure of Val because it's popular world wide.
KssS [#25]what are you on about? I've played both LoL and Dota, but I've played more Dota than I did LoL. I see the pros and the dota 2 community shit talk League whenever they have a chance. It's the same thing I'm seeing right now with CS, they look so insecure of Val because it's popular world wide.
ok prove me wrong then gimmie source, or dota2 creator who make that kinda video ?
archetype [#24]valve game communities are elitist. dota, tf2, cs. especially tf2. but tbf valve is a goated game company.
no they are NOT. valve is dogshit
CorpL [#29]no they are NOT. valve is dogshit
valve actually somehow brain washed their fanbase to believing they're goated when they don't do shit once they release the game other than sell lootboxes lol
DangerousCookie [#34]Why are you here then lmao
Because there are people that like both
I like both but imo cs esports are way better
HLTV_BIGGEST_FAN [#35]Because there are people that like both
I like both but imo cs esports are way better
+1 valorant more fun to play, but cs esports is miles ahead
skatman [#18]lock in and champ 2022 peaks were very close to rio and paris major peaks, in a couple of years they will probably be the same size already
if not bigger
cobalt21312 [#16]fair enough. i prefer val for multiple reasons - more fun to specialize in certain agents (i like team play) and its very nice not having to learn smoke/flash lineups like have u seen the mirage a smoke for terrorists wtf ppl gotta memorize that
i mean i get it but it's a diff aspect of the game, and you ultimately still have to learn things in valorant and there's nothing wrong with that; pretty much hardstuck silver mindset if you don't learn to use your util; learning mirage smoke lineups is not that big of a deal
Astroman77 [#10]CS will always be bigger than Valorant, and it's been years since I watched CS.
they said the same thing with dota 2 and lol. look at it now.
skatman [#18]lock in and champ 2022 peaks were very close to rio and paris major peaks, in a couple of years they will probably be the same size already
nope, the viewership trend is actually showing a DECLINE. So, the more years pass, the less views valorant is gonna get, until it reaches a flat line (like csgo) where the playerbase will have settled (the ones that enjoy it for the game, not for the hype/clout).
If the production continues to be dogshit, it's gonna decline even further.
bruhahaha [#7]disagree about the gameplay bro but i like both games, val is definitely the more casual experience and you can play more fast and loose, cs requires you to play more precisely or you just get punished, so i like 5 stacking or pugging cs way more but val is the more fun game to solo or duo
no need to have an argument about the game all the time none of us are going pro any time soon so we can play both yknow
When you are talking about ‘casuality’ can you give your steam and blitz gg links? Just to know your rank level. Bcz it’s always funny when low or mid ranks talking about Valorant casual game LOL.
my_fav_team_is_M3C [#44]When you are talking about ‘casuality’ can you give your steam and blitz gg links? Just to know your rank level. Bcz it’s always funny when low or mid ranks talking about Valorant casual game LOL.
ik ur punching the air real hard buddy that your game has been insulted no one made a skill comparison you can be a skilled or pro player in a more casual game, get your tone right
Astroman77 [#10]CS will always be bigger than Valorant, and it's been years since I watched CS.
we can tell because you have no idea about the shit that is coming out of your mouth. the last game of the major got 1.6m peak viewership Val champion got 1.5M so yea massive difference cs is just on a different plain
bruhahaha [#48]ik ur punching the air real hard buddy that your game has been insulted no one made a skill comparison you can be a skilled or pro player in a more casual game, get your tone right
I literally came here from hltv and cs:go. And I’m right you are low rank-dude, trying to makeup your insecurity by believing in cs:go superiority bcz it’s all you have and never achieved respectable rank in life.
All my dudes from cs 2.5-3k elo and immortal-radiant players never ever said such bullshit about “casuality” bcz only dumb noobs will say that.
acels [#37]+1 valorant more fun to play, but cs esports is miles ahead
in terms of infrastructure, right? I was a cs esports frog that watched every tier 1-3 event but that got so fkin boring that i couldnt stand it anymore.. ive been watching cs esports since 2016 but in 2020-2021 i couldnt stand it any longer, the same bullshit teams qualifying and facing each other it was so predictable.. I think in terms of infrastructure csgo takes by a mile, in terms of entertainment val is currently far better IMO.
my_fav_team_is_M3C [#50]I literally came here from hltv and cs:go. And I’m right you are low rank-dude, trying to makeup your insecurity by believing in cs:go superiority bcz it’s all you have and never achieved respectable rank in life.
All my dudes from cs 2.5-3k elo and immortal-radiant players never ever said such bullshit about “casuality” bcz only dumb noobs will say that.
? i didnt say csgo was better lmao less typing more reading, casual doesn't mean worse game, does not mean less skilled, it's easier to learn and get into you can play with less structure, more tactics less macro, fewer lineups and game mechanics like mollied smokes and boosts that you have to watch out for, casual is not a negative term
no point in arguing our "ranks" buddy even if i'm 6k elo playing in fpl pro with m0nesy it won't be enough for you, stick to the point and maybe you don't get brain diffed
did this idiot watch LOCKIN//, he chose a worse example for valo while choosing the best example for him. Someone remind this idiot how Rio looked without brazil teams. I'm also pretty sure he wont be able to answer why valve released CS2 while valorant is at its peak. They're too insecure.
I've noticed many valo players (ex csgo or those who play both) dont hate csgo but csgo players get so insecure over valorant, it makes it funny. It shows a microcosm of valve getting insecure about valorant and releasing CS2
Cabarelson [#39]if they want to make fun they show japanese crowd, if they want to impress they show brazilian crowd, not really a fair comparison
exactly, he couldve compared LOCKIN// vs RIo but that would shatter these sensitive CS frogs delusion.
Alpac4 [#15]Csgo content creator need clout so they keep talking about valorant
the case opening gambling content video no. 34144 does get boring after a while for these frogs.
bruhahaha [#53]? i didnt say csgo was better lmao less typing more reading, casual doesn't mean worse game, does not mean less skilled, it's easier to learn and get into you can play with less structure, more tactics less macro, fewer lineups and game mechanics like mollied smokes and boosts that you have to watch out for, casual is not a negative term
no point in arguing our "ranks" buddy even if i'm 6k elo playing in fpl pro with m0nesy it won't be enough for you, stick to the point and maybe you don't get brain diffed
You don’t even know what casual means in terms of gaming. Cs:go and Valorant are not casual games by any means.
COD, Battlefield PUBG and other similar fps are casual.
you can play with less structure
less macro
You rather got brain damage or I’m talking to gold nova 3
archetype [#24]valve game communities are elitist. dota, tf2, cs. especially tf2. but tbf valve is a goated game company.
Tf2 community is dogshit, one of the reasons I stopped playing that game
my_fav_team_is_M3C [#57]You don’t even know what casual means in terms of gaming. Cs:go and Valorant are not casual games by any means.
COD, Battlefield PUBG and other similar fps are casual.you can play with less structure
less macroYou rather got brain damage or I’m talking to gold nova 3
did you not read? casual = easier to get into easier to learn stop twisting my words; there's less of that aspect of the game, but there's other aspects of the game that are added that cs has less of
i explained my position dont car if you disagree you aren't giving structured arguments to convince me otherwise just foaming at the mouth rank: you are brick wall 3
bruhahaha [#59]did you not read? casual = easier to get into easier to learn stop twisting my words; there's less of that aspect of the game, but there's other aspects of the game that are added that cs has less of
i explained my position dont car if you disagree you aren't giving structured arguments to convince me otherwise just foaming at the mouth rank: you are brick wall 3
Your explanations just exposed you, be safe dude.
And good luck jerking off on mirage everyday long xD
loloscum [#52]in terms of infrastructure, right? I was a cs esports frog that watched every tier 1-3 event but that got so fkin boring that i couldnt stand it anymore.. ive been watching cs esports since 2016 but in 2020-2021 i couldnt stand it any longer, the same bullshit teams qualifying and facing each other it was so predictable.. I think in terms of infrastructure csgo takes by a mile, in terms of entertainment val is currently far better IMO.
Maybe you got bored of it because maybe you stop liking it? It is still very great to watch if you like it
Plus you say " i couldnt stand it any longer, the same bullshit teams qualifying and facing each other it was so predictable."
Bro you prefer valorant which has franchised system so there you will ALWAYS will watch the same teams, while in Cs you could have upsets and new underdogs all the time, so whats you point?
my_fav_team_is_M3C [#60]Your explanations just exposed you, be safe dude.
And good luck jerking off on mirage everyday long xD
nima divotti bu odam? 😀
odatiy valorant himoyachilaridan bittasi bo'sa kerak 😂
emircs [#63]nima divotti bu odam? 😀
odatiy valorant himoyachilaridan bittasi bo'sa kerak 😂
Bro what even google translate doesn’t know this language 🤣
HLTV_BIGGEST_FAN [#61]Maybe you got bored of it because maybe you stop liking it? It is still very great to watch if you like it
Plus you say " i couldnt stand it any longer, the same bullshit teams qualifying and facing each other it was so predictable."
Bro you prefer valorant which has franchised system so there you will ALWAYS will watch the same teams, while in Cs you could have upsets and new underdogs all the time, so whats you point?
I meant valorant in entertainment because valorant is too diverse, theres so many things that could happen and valorant has too much macro/micro game while csgo is more AIM dependent. I also think that because valorant is a fresh game it was what i needed to finally give up on csgo esports.. I still love csgo to this very day, i probably have around 7-8k hours invested into it but the esports scene just doesnt have the same old appeal anymore. Maybe its because in my time we had legends such as F0rest, Get_right, kennyS, Fallen, Coldzera, we had prime astralis, prime SK, prime NIP, etc.. I just think i expect too much from these 'newer' teams
hey hey hey folks, please even if you hate cs or valorant, let's stop talking about this
i mean why would you talk shit about it when you can watch and enjoy tourneys or play both games and have fun with friends
it is not some kind of political thing to stay against each other and take it serious
that guy in that video is just another guy who really got bored nowadays, you can see it from his other videos
my_fav_team_is_M3C [#64]Bro what even google translate doesn’t know this language 🤣
oh i thought you are Uzbek, because you chosed my country flag as yours, mb )
i was just saying that guy you are arguing with is casual valorant defender, and don't take it very seriously, it is not worth it )
bruhahaha [#40]i mean i get it but it's a diff aspect of the game, and you ultimately still have to learn things in valorant and there's nothing wrong with that; pretty much hardstuck silver mindset if you don't learn to use your util; learning mirage smoke lineups is not that big of a deal
fair enough im sure if you play mirage a lot the lineups are not a big deal but i just prefer not having to learn specific lineups especially since theres no map picking option.
HLTV_BIGGEST_FAN [#35]Because there are people that like both
I like both but imo cs esports are way better
Have you even watched a single val match lol, all you do here is defend your precious csgo. Its hilarious ngl
I love both games, but I can agree that CS:GO just has better presentation overall. Valorant is extremely sanitized and the observation can be hit or miss. IDK if something is in the valorant water supply, but it feels like players are overall less passionate for the game and the competition compared to the average CS frog. Valorant is still relatively young and they're still figuring it out, I have faith in rito to atleast touch ESL or Blast level at some point.
hekzy [#43]nope, the viewership trend is actually showing a DECLINE. So, the more years pass, the less views valorant is gonna get, until it reaches a flat line (like csgo) where the playerbase will have settled (the ones that enjoy it for the game, not for the hype/clout).
If the production continues to be dogshit, it's gonna decline even further.
what decline? copenhagen had 800M, champs 1.5M and lock in 1.45M. how is that a decline?
emircs [#67]oh i thought you are Uzbek, because you chosed my country flag as yours, mb )
i was just saying that guy you are arguing with is casual valorant defender, and don't take it very seriously, it is not worth it )
I’m from Uzbekistan and my favourite team is m3c
wizardbot [#69]Have you even watched a single val match lol, all you do here is defend your precious csgo. Its hilarious ngl
Yeah I do watch it sometimes, but not as much as cs esports, but I do still watch
And what's hilarious by saying that?
HLTV_BIGGEST_FAN [#73]Yeah I do watch it sometimes, but not as much as cs esports, but I do still watch
And what's hilarious by saying that?
Don’t worry, since cs viewership is declining, we, Valorant fans won’t let cs die and will watch some majors too. Valorant is actuall cs savior xD
loloscum [#65]I meant valorant in entertainment because valorant is too diverse, theres so many things that could happen and valorant has too much macro/micro game while csgo is more AIM dependent. I also think that because valorant is a fresh game it was what i needed to finally give up on csgo esports.. I still love csgo to this very day, i probably have around 7-8k hours invested into it but the esports scene just doesnt have the same old appeal anymore. Maybe its because in my time we had legends such as F0rest, Get_right, kennyS, Fallen, Coldzera, we had prime astralis, prime SK, prime NIP, etc.. I just think i expect too much from these 'newer' teams
Well you have a good point.
I do agree that hurts a little when the legends we grew watching them are getting older and washed, and the great legacy teams are ending, but I still like the esports new players, but I guess not everyone is like that.
But I have to disagree on csgo being just more Aim dependent. In casual pugs we play, yeah its more aim dependent because we may be playing with randoms and we just wanna get some elo, but in esports, I think people underrate the micro and macro in cs. People shouldn't compare cs and val's micro/macro because they are different games.
But in my experience as a player and viewer, I think cs is a little more harder because in we could do much more with the utility, while in valorant we almost see the same team combinations and we have a pattern how we use the abilites
But this is just my opinion, and I like reading other's people opinions too
my_fav_team_is_M3C [#74]Don’t worry, since cs viewership is declining, we, Valorant fans won’t let cs die and will watch some majors too. Valorant is actuall cs savior xD
Well, I actually do not think cs viewership is declining, and I do not disagree that valorant is growing. But I think in both games will have a "base" viewership that just wants to watch the game, and then the rest depends on the teams, because there are a lot of fans that just wants to see NAVI playing or Faze playing or G2 playing, etc. in cs, and Sentinels, Loud, etc. in valorant.
So we don't have an exact measure of viewership declining.
my_fav_team_is_M3C [#72]I’m from Uzbekistan and my favourite team is m3c
then how you don't know your native language? interesting no:?
wizardbot [#71]what decline? copenhagen had 800M, champs 1.5M and lock in 1.45M. how is that a decline?
You're looking at peak and not average (which is the correct metric).
hekzy [#79]You're looking at peak and not average (which is the correct metric).
316 copenhagen, 525 istanbul (biggest yet in val), 432 in sao paulo which is expected for a tourney of a lower stature. Youre not making any sense lol
wizardbot [#80]316 copenhagen, 525 istanbul (biggest yet in val), 432 in sao paulo which is expected for a tourney of a lower stature. Youre not making any sense lol
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