I get what you say, since I am a qiyana main myself lmao

But dota in general is harder, like not literally the mechanics but the whole game. And mechanics aren't the main concern to pros, but the macro is

You are wrong. Escharts counts live viewers from many platforms, including twitch, youtube, kick (lmao) and it goes on... and it counts everything that is related with the match, so watch parties are included.
They don't count only the chinese platforms since they don't make the number of viewers public, so we only can "assume" the chinese viewers.

And either way, like you said, watch parties its what "carries" the valorant esports viewership, so maybe take in consideration that many people are just watching the streamer and not really the match.

Hope I helped!

Dota is harder tho

So what? Do I seem to care?

I just said facts my guy, sentinels is the reason that masters got 1.6M and you seem kinda pressed lul

flair xd

I mean, you can see that the 5 most viewed matches are from sentinels

If it was other teams it would have less tbh

https://escharts.com/tournaments/valorant/vct-2024-masters-madrid-valorant

because of bra71l

People create the stereotype that CS strats are the same for years

But the defaults, the rotations, setups are always changing every tournament. Obviously it's not drastic changes, since they are based with the previous meta. If you compare short periods of time you obviously see similarities. But per example, if you compare 2021 (it was a year with drastic meta changing because of Gambit, they literally changed the meta of every map) with 2022 you could see differences.

Maybe as a casual viewer, they are subtle, but as a regular viewer and player I do notice a lot

PGL is still crap.

PGL Audio meme keeps going after 3 years lol

Well, you are right about that there are some teams that people don't care about, but they qualified and have credit for that.
Obviously I wanted to watch astralis, liquid, falcons and some other teams, but if they didn't qualify, it's their fault.

But still, there are a lot of people that likes underdogs playing

no way Tenz is getting paid 15k a month

I will use Styko from Apeks from cs as an example.
Styko isn't that much influent and good, and he revealed he is getting paid 12k a month, and Apeks is literally a low tier 1/high tier 2 team (even though they are an org from norway and norway is a pretty rich country, but still).

Tenz is getting 40k MINIMUM, because he is literally a celebrity in this scene

I mean, he is grinding faceit everyday, so yeah I guess hes going back

Hello. I'm having some issues on loading my game.
My pc runs valorant just fine, like 180-250 fps but the only issue it takes to much time to load and I always get late into the game, like joining the game and round 1 already ended lol

This is starting to annoy me because I'm always afk in the first round just because im stuck on loading screen... And when a player dodges, I can't even go back to the main menu, because it takes too long to go back and when it loads I'm already in another agent select..

This started to be an issue since 2 months ago, and I don't know how to fix it.
I don't have the best pc, but also it isn't a potato pc.

Does someone know how to fix this?

6/8

Engraçado que tu choras pelo facto do CS “copiar” coisas pequeninas que apenas beneficiam, mas é engraçado que o valorant pegou na estrutura do cs e copiou na cara dura alguns heróis do overwatch lmao

E para alem disso, Gamers8 é uma TO que apareceu neste ano, e foi a única desde há muito tempo que paga a streamers para fazer watch party, sendo que os torneios a sério pegam views sem precisar de pagar ninguém e nem precisa de dar drops aos viewers como o valorant kkkkk

Ambos os jogos são bons e podem coexistir mas parem de criar drama atoa, é só triste

-supernova o rei da burrice

played 5 majors but never achieved anything, literally 0 trophies
https://www.hltv.org/player/7810/shahzam#tab-infoBox

nitr0 played 9 majors, and won a lot of tournaments and has a Intel Grand Slam
https://www.hltv.org/player/7687/nitr0

how tf you even consider shahzam

Hmmm, its really not tbh. Just marketing diff and almost all of val pros are/were content creators lol

I mean, there are always people crying in both sides, so its whatever.

Plus you did a thread about this so you seem not fine x)

Oh yeah, for sure they will adjust the economy, valve is not that dumb (i think lmao)

Tbh mr12 is great for cs imo, because overall the rounds and so long and slow. It isn't flashy and fast like it was some years ago.
And it is good for the viewers too, because it can take 3 hours to watch a single bo3, or even more. And the only ones who would watch the entire match are mega fans of the teams, and a casual viewers wouldn't

I would want you to rewrite that but in english please, because I didn't understand shit about your point

Valorant copied so many things about cs and cs just "took" the buy menu (which in my opinion, its basic af, I wouldn't say that valorant inovated a lot with this) and "took" the MR12, which is not true like I said in #12

Besides that, valorant copied a lot of Overwatch heroes, and that is a fact you cannot deny

Guess what? Volcano, who used to be a cs pro way back in the time is the Co-Lead Game Designer of Valorant. It's way obvious that he knew how MR12 works since he played it back in the day and he probably applied it on Valorant.

I'm not sure tbh about the 1.3 and 1.4, I don't really know

I mean, valorant didn't "copy" cs, its just the same gamemode and basically the same rules. I only see big copies of overwatch characters I guess.

Yeah I get what are you saying, but he does it for entertainment and he says to his viewers that obviously cases aren't worth it

And nah, this ain't coping. It's a fact that MR12 was used way back in the day, and it's a fact that valorant has some influence to these changes. But we need to agree that is actually a good change, since CS rounds are long af

Plus don't come with the buy menu "copy", that's just a little thing to cry about and say that cs copied something lmao

I may be wrong, but ohne doesn't promote gambling sites. He just open cases in cs for the hobby

And MR12 was used way back in cs 1.5 and 1.6 tho

Not really
Yes people gets surprised by the graphical upgrades, but keep in mind how Valve employees work.
This source 2 engine port is a long-term update, people are just happy that cs will come with more updates in the future

Yeah that's the whole point

Yes it's an update
But people hype it up like it's a new game lol

But CS2 it's opening new doors in the future, but we just need to wait

well they existed for 1 major run and then all left the team xd

omg he is a-a fraud b-because he is now on a gama that he r-really likes 😥

lmao

vanity may go back to cs, he is kinda hyped with cs2

Well, I actually do not think cs viewership is declining, and I do not disagree that valorant is growing. But I think in both games will have a "base" viewership that just wants to watch the game, and then the rest depends on the teams, because there are a lot of fans that just wants to see NAVI playing or Faze playing or G2 playing, etc. in cs, and Sentinels, Loud, etc. in valorant.
So we don't have an exact measure of viewership declining.

Well you have a good point.
I do agree that hurts a little when the legends we grew watching them are getting older and washed, and the great legacy teams are ending, but I still like the esports new players, but I guess not everyone is like that.

But I have to disagree on csgo being just more Aim dependent. In casual pugs we play, yeah its more aim dependent because we may be playing with randoms and we just wanna get some elo, but in esports, I think people underrate the micro and macro in cs. People shouldn't compare cs and val's micro/macro because they are different games.
But in my experience as a player and viewer, I think cs is a little more harder because in we could do much more with the utility, while in valorant we almost see the same team combinations and we have a pattern how we use the abilites

But this is just my opinion, and I like reading other's people opinions too

Yeah I do watch it sometimes, but not as much as cs esports, but I do still watch
And what's hilarious by saying that?

Maybe you got bored of it because maybe you stop liking it? It is still very great to watch if you like it

Plus you say " i couldnt stand it any longer, the same bullshit teams qualifying and facing each other it was so predictable."

Bro you prefer valorant which has franchised system so there you will ALWAYS will watch the same teams, while in Cs you could have upsets and new underdogs all the time, so whats you point?

Because there are people that like both
I like both but imo cs esports are way better

Jonathan E lmao what do you expect

0/8

Whats the rest?

roeJ is way better than fashr

its 1.2M peak in all platforms for now + china viewers but we don't have data about that, but by their chat its a lot of people

There is a semi-franchised league on CS. You have Blast circuit and ESL that have some partner teams, but there are still spots to open qualifiers. The thing is, this semi-franchised league is kinda new, and "tier 1" teams are just getting used to play the same teams, thats why they are not used to play against tier 2 teams, then they choke against them.
We shouldn't say that GL and Vitality had "free" finals, because those underdog teams won against the "top" teams.

Tier 2 valorant could be way better than franchised teams, because those teams grind more than tier 1 for sure.

I'm not coping btw. I wanted g2 to win, but their lost is pretty deserved. And the underdogs reached where they are because they deserve it

Sorry there is no franchising to make Big orgs to finals with no effort. You are a sheep.
Gigachads watch good cs/val

oh sry my bad g

Zywoo is a pretty consistent player, if he continues like this, he will be the goat of all esports (ok im being a little biased but top3 for sure)

Zywoo is a 22yo french prodigy
First year in tier 1 cs and he was #1 player in 2019
#1 in 2020
#2 2021
#2 2022
And will be #1 in 2023

0/8

What I meant is that the addition of a new agent, or a buff/nerf will change some team combinations, but its not a fully tactical change, and its very addaptive