In pretty much any agent they play.
Higher ACS, higher player ratting in most agents and Higher damage per round.
You might not like it but those are facts. not opinions.
Also. Alfajer » Suygetsu.
Same story and way bigger agent poll.
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rjsperm [#4]alfa over suygetsu is some crazy glazing, alfa good but not that good on senti
Data proves it bro. go watch stats.
Alfajer has a greater output on pretty much everyagent they crossplay bro.
This is not my opinion. Its the data.
rjsperm [#4]alfa over suygetsu is some crazy glazing, alfa good but not that good on senti
and alfa prety much playes any agent.
He's cracked at raze and jett. Suygetsu doesn't touch that.
joellogic [#6]Data proves it bro. go watch stats.
Alfajer has a greater output on pretty much everyagent they crossplay bro.
This is not my opinion. Its the data.
Ah yeah compare Alfajer stats with Raze with Suygetsu stats on Cypher
Marshal_D_Teach [#9]https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/1188/champions-tour-2023-lock-in-s-o-paulo
huh?
I'm not talking about this tournament alone dude.
I'm talking overall.
YvngKurry [#11]Shao -
Rating: 1.45
Acs: 217.5
K:D: 2.29
KAST: 91%
ADR: 141.1
KPR: .82
FKPR: 0.1
HS%: 25%
Clutches: 7/19Leo -
Rating: 1.37
Acs: 228.3
K:D: 1.45
KAST: 82%
ADR: 143.1
KPR: 0.78
FKPR: 0.06
HS%: 17%
Clutches: 7/23Shao has better stats for 7/9 stats this event. Quit spewing bullshit
Hey morron.
Overall stats. stupid.
not only this turnament.
you might play 3 games better than any other person no?
gargoyle
joellogic [#12]I'm not talking about this tournament alone dude.
I'm talking overall.
try not talking at all
you are confused 💀
There is no way u went to overall stats and compared the two. Leo played against much worse competition for the better part of his career and is only now starting to make it big internationally, Shao has been here for a while so obviously his stats aren't going to be as good as someone who farmed t2 in a t2 team like guild.
Same goes for alfa
Zayol [#10]MWZERA clears everyone you mention, Shao, Leo, Suygetsu, Alfajer.
By far the most talented player ever.
look another mwzera simp.
The conversation wasn't even about Mwzera but the simp still simped
4rrowlol [#15]There is no way u went to overall stats and compared the two. Leo played against much worse competition for the better part of his career and is only now starting to make it big internationally, Shao has been here for a while so obviously his stats aren't going to be as good as someone who farmed t2 in a t2 team like guild.
Same goes for alfa
no it actually makes perfect sense to include surreal, bonk and forze stats to who is the better player at the current moment. gargoyle
joellogic [#13]Hey morron.
Overall stats. stupid.not only this turnament.
you might play 3 games better than any other person no?
gargoyle
There's no way you are comparing shao who has played far more games and events with a much higher level of competition to Leo who played a single international event and failed to make all others LMFAO ur a fucking moron. Btw learn how to spell the word moron.
joellogic [#13]Hey morron.
Overall stats. stupid.not only this turnament.
you might play 3 games better than any other person no?
gargoyle
why use overall stats..
you cant control the level of competition you are playing against.
is perc30fishfillet best player all time!?!
no.
the best way to compare players is comparing their performances against similar opponents/the same tournament
4rrowlol [#15]There is no way u went to overall stats and compared the two. Leo played against much worse competition for the better part of his career and is only now starting to make it big internationally, Shao has been here for a while so obviously his stats aren't going to be as good as someone who farmed t2 in a t2 team like guild.
Same goes for alfa
he's been on Emea tier one for almost two years.
what a hell are you babling about dude?
YvngKurry [#20]There's no way you are comparing shao who has played far more games and events with a much higher level of competition to Leo who played a single international event and failed to make all others LMFAO ur a fucking moron. Btw learn how to spell the word moron.
hey stupid morron maybe because leo didint get carried by his teammates pretty much all year
nt tho
joellogic [#13]Hey morron.
Overall stats. stupid.not only this turnament.
you might play 3 games better than any other person no?
gargoyle
leo mainly played in emea reigionally while shao played on international stages with teir 1 opponents, can't compare.
joellogic [#22]he's been on Emea tier one for almost two years.
what a hell are you babling about dude?
him individually? sure. His team? no.
joellogic [#18]look another mwzera simp.
The conversation wasn't even about Mwzera but the simp still simped
Leo copied Mwzera's playstyle...
That should tell you how good Mwzera is.
babysasuke [#14]try not talking at all
you are confused 💀
hey bro. you must be the more ratied dude on planet earth. why keep talking?
Eat the L chronicle gave u and shut up hahaha
Zayol [#26]Leo copied Mwzera's playstyle...
That should tell you how good Mwzera is.
hahahaha ofc he did bro. im sure
joellogic [#27]hey bro. you must be the more ratied dude on planet earth. why keep talking?
Eat the L chronicle gave u and shut up hahaha
crazy that an entire continent lives to downvote everything I say and you're STILL farming more than me in this thread
cut your losses, apologize for being wrong, and move on
joellogic [#23]hey stupid morron maybe because leo didint get carried by his teammates pretty much all year
nt tho
how did shao get carried by his teammates kekw he literally was the mvp of copenhagen
anyways just wait til friday when shao will hard diff him and navi will 3-0 fnatic quickly
Kirya [#30]how did shao get carried by his teammates kekw he literally was the mvp of copenhagen
anyways just wait til friday when shao will hard diff him and navi will 3-0 fnatic quickly
well see about that
joellogic [#12]I'm not talking about this tournament alone dude.
I'm talking overall.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Zn2neACv7s
1- He goes for kills coz they are in a disadvantage ✅ (kinda lucky in the 2nd one)
2- strafe to get info where Mazino is (since he only knew the position of other 2 entering the bombsite) ✅
3- Only peeks mazino when Zyppan arrives to help him ✅
4- He only engages to duel against King when the Tacolilla isn't available to trade him (He was dueling with zyppan) ✅
5- He waits for tacolilla get impatient coz his is not peeking him, breaking Tacolilla decision making ✅
Shao plays the perfect valorant, bro. How is this guy not the best player?
Marshal_D_Teach [#32]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Zn2neACv7s
1- He goes for kills coz they are in a disadvantage ✅ (kinda lucky in the 2nd one)
2- strafe to get info where Mazino is (since he only knew the position of other 2 entering the bombsite) ✅
3- Only peeks mazino when Zyppan arrives to help him ✅
4- He only engages to duel against King when the Tacolilla isn't available to trade him (He was dueling with zyppan) ✅
5- He waits for tacolilla get impatient coz his is not peeking him, breaking Tacolilla decision making ✅Shao plays the perfect valorant, bro. How is this guy not the best player?
yeah yeah yeah
babysasuke [#29]crazy that an entire continent lives to downvote everything I say and you're STILL farming more than me in this thread
cut your losses, apologize for being wrong, and move on
Babyshitter just quickly post another 60-70 posts and you'll become the GOAT of vlr.
First guy to reach 10k posts??
Zayol [#10]MWZERA clears everyone you mention, Shao, Leo, Suygetsu, Alfajer.
By far the most talented player ever.
you know what is commong inbetween shao, leo, suy and alfa?
none of them are good with raze xD
joellogic [#23]hey stupid morron maybe because leo didint get carried by his teammates pretty much all year
nt tho
You lost all credibility when you said Shao got carried... (even though I believe Leo actually is really close in skill and output to him)
Sorry bruh, you got too deep on the KoolAid
joellogic [#7]and alfa prety much playes any agent.
He's cracked at raze and jett. Suygetsu doesn't touch that.
the jett literally doesn't matter at all, the raze also doesn't bcz chronicle probably will br playing it so that's that.
as for the sentinel role suygetsu > alfa
Adi69LassiSeller [#36]Babyshitter just quickly post another 60-70 posts and you'll become the GOAT of vlr.
First guy to reach 10k posts??
mortadelo is on 12k
Zayol [#26]Leo copied Mwzera's playstyle...
That should tell you how good Mwzera is.
leo hasnt even heard of this subequatorial fraud
capital_d_colon [#41]mortadelo is on 12k
Never heard from that guy tbh because maybe of different timezones.
Skuul13 [#37]you know what is commong inbetween shao, leo, suy and alfa?
none of them are good with raze xD
Have you not seen alfa play raze ? what kind of blasphemy is this
yikes
Moiraine [#46]Have you not seen alfa play raze ? what kind of blasphemy is this
yikes
its just a joke dude xD
capital_d_colon [#41]mortadelo is on 12k
12k in 2 years is not the same than 9k on 1, he’ll def pass me
ValdemieGC [#50]gigachads admire both
yeah thats more like it.
I was kinda tira of wathing all these threads dunkin on Leo.
thats why I made this one. to make a new case.
Anyway, both are fantastic S tier players
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