Sao Paulo Tierlist with reasoning

https://imgur.com/gallery/YbfKmDv

S-Tier :- NAVI = DRX ; LAN proven and NAVI is FPX just +cNed - Ardiis

A-Tier :- LOUD and NRG could be S-Tier but depends on how they perform losing their 2 key players. Judging on 100T's recent performance they can be S tier but still not LAN proven so.
LOUD > NRG> 100T >= FNC = SEN = c9 = TL = PRX
All these teams have massive firepower and can actually defeat S tier teams but 100T has the edge over all A tier teams because 100T as a team was formed much before franchising roster moves. PRX can be S-Tier/B-Tier but that depends on their form.

B-Tier:- VIT = KC = LEV = Zeta = GIANTS
Solid B-Tier teams with some well known and star players like scream, nukkeye, Cloud, Twisten, Taco King, Laz, sheydos

C-Tier:- KOI = Heretics = TaloN = GenG >= T1= GE
KOI and Heretics have the potential to be B-Tier and Talon just hardstuck but pati is back tho.
GenG is ok but not expected to do any serious damage (It's like Hi I'm there too).
T1 and GE are unproven and experimental teams with 4 to 5 duelists players on their team and have potential to go Berserk and defeat all A tier teams or just Flop as Bottom feeders.

D-Tier:- BBL, MiBr, Kru and TS
Not much hope for these teams but they can survive.

Bottom Feeders:-
RRQ can be C tier but they have Ejay as their primary duelist lol but tehbotol and fl1pzjder are LAN proven players so let's see.
Detonation gaming can turn out to be protagonist of the anime and surprise and do some serious damage but as of now they look mehh. Seoldam take my energy I guess.
FUT just mehh
Furia not yet confirmed their roster so Idk
RRQ>> DFM = FUT (FURIA)

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🐔 :angry: where's eg

Man puts KOI in C tier

DELUSIONAL_POTTER_FAN [#3]

🐔 :angry: where's eg

Solid B 🐓🐓🐓. I fucked up logos 💀

trollmain detected opinion rejected

how many tier list post we need

L list

kaesra [#6]

trollmain detected opinion rejected

LazeraSG using my signature phrases against me. 🪞Nt

Qwertyy [#2]

stopped reading at Adi69LassiSeller

I mean "Adi69LassiSeller" is a creative name unlike a Normie who calls himself/herself Qwertyy.

why is c9 high up after losing scrims against G2 and toast’s team

let's be honest here how is secret below GE in this list same with KRU, in the recent redbull tournament KRU defeated TL 2-0 although the games were close, in no way you can put KRU and Secret in 'd' tier below teams like GE with players lacking the LAN exp. You justified half of your team placements in this tierlist purely based on "the potential" of players what about their past records??? like you aren't going to give merit to what they already achieved.

Xeny [#12]

let's be honest here how is secret below GE in this list same with KRU, in the recent redbull tournament KRU defeated TL 2-0 although the games were close, in no way you can put KRU and Secret in 'd' tier below teams like GE with players lacking the LAN exp. You justified half of your team placements in this tierlist purely based on "the potential" of players what about their past records??? like you aren't going to give merit to what they already achieved.

I placed proven teams based on their past and unproven and newly formed teams based on their potential but everyone knows TS is just washed in 2023. When was the last time Secret made it out of groups? Or qualified for LAN? Bleed can easily defeat Secret and Secret and GenG lacks firepower. I placed GE and T1 based on their potential because they have 4 DUELIST players and haven't figured roles yet but they can take down teams in BF solely by their Firepower itself.

PickledMuffin [#11]

why is c9 high up after losing scrims against G2 and toast’s team

Because of their Firepower and players like Leaf and yay, Lan proven duelists. Vanity and Zellsus international LAN proven , ex V1 players. Xeppa is a different beast on his best days.

Stinky tier list 🤧

garbage list, asia owns all, all asia s tiers

"100t not lan proven"

I agree

I know T1 is kinda unproven rn with no pre season turney and role uncertainty, but I'd put them at least B tier for now. For someone that mainly watch Pacific instead of western teams due to timezone reason, the firepower of this T1 roster is close to PRX level. Definitely a contender for top 3 Pacific teams to go into future international tournament.

Zeta B lmaoo

Asia/South America teams are so overrated, EMEA gonna shit on them so badly, and the world will finally see that we deserved much more than 3 miserable slots

Warlordwibz [#19]

I know T1 is kinda unproven rn with no pre season turney and role uncertainty, but I'd put them at least B tier for now. For someone that mainly watch Pacific instead of western teams due to timezone reason, the firepower of this T1 roster is close to PRX level. Definitely a contender for top 3 Pacific teams to go into future international tournament.

i’m just worried about carpe tbh

xD is all I have to say atp

viwi [#17]

"100t not lan proven"

They really aren't though. Will was their best performing player in Champions. Will, the guy who got booted of the team. Cryo is lan proven, but rest not so much. Both Asuna and Derrek looked pretty bad. Bang had his moments, but was by no means top controller. And Stellar performed like expected. People seem to forget that 100T didn't have amazing Champions and there was pretty noticable difference between their level and DRX's and Fnatic's. Especially outside of Pearl.

and I don't count RedBull because completely different stakes and level of play

Loud at top of A doesn't make sense. Tuyz and cauanzin are both inexperienced. Even if the core is the same,loud is bottom of A and definitely below fnc and tl. Koi is high b tier or low A. They have 4 proven lan players and is 4th best team from emea Kc is the worst team in emea franchise apart from Turkish teams. They are d tier lmao. Zeta is like low b or high c

Olofboost [#20]

Zeta B lmaoo

Asia/South America teams are so overrated, EMEA gonna shit on them so badly, and the world will finally see that we deserved much more than 3 miserable slots

typical privilege seeking elitist who wants hierarchy and doesn't like being treated equal as others.

Warlordwibz [#25]

typical privilege seeking elitist who wants hierarchy and doesn't like being treated equal as others.

?

Warlordwibz [#25]

typical privilege seeking elitist who wants hierarchy and doesn't like being treated equal as others.

It's about merit. Europe has shown multiple times it deserves much more slots than everyone else.

Are FIFA also elitist for giving Europe 13 slots at World Cup and Asia only 4/5? Do you understand what quota means?

Olofboost [#20]

Zeta B lmaoo

Asia/South America teams are so overrated, EMEA gonna shit on them so badly, and the world will finally see that we deserved much more than 3 miserable slots

Anime fans gonna report ban you under Racism/Discrimination. Edit fast and save your account.

viwi [#17]

"100t not lan proven"

Bang lan proven? . I told 100T as a team

¿Is this tier list for valorant or fortnite? Wtf men

Blanc_cataloq [#15]

Stinky tier list 🤧

Stinky >> unhealthy indomie with preservatives

Fichy [#30]

¿Is this tier list for valorant or fortnite? Wtf men

TierList for babaji mobael

Olofboost [#27]

It's about merit. Europe has shown multiple times it deserves much more slots than everyone else.

Are FIFA also elitist for giving Europe 13 slots at World Cup and Asia only 4/5? Do you understand what quota means?

Valorant is great because all regions are treated equally not neglectfully. This is like the Americas franchise drama where NA teams gets equal 5 slots to the 5 SA teams counterpart complaining about their privilege "Merit" 7-3 ratio. Taking extra slot from others would create unequal opportunity of growth and would led to minor region due to unfair treatment.

Adi69LassiSeller [#31]

Stinky >> unhealthy indomie with preservatives

indomie >>> healthy Pani puri with stinky hands

Blanc_cataloq [#34]

indomie >>> healthy Pani puri with stinky hands

Bro upvoted himself, ggs nothing more to talk/argue or debate.

Adi69LassiSeller [#13]

I placed proven teams based on their past and unproven and newly formed teams based on their potential but everyone knows TS is just washed in 2023. When was the last time Secret made it out of groups? Or qualified for LAN? Bleed can easily defeat Secret and Secret and GenG lacks firepower. I placed GE and T1 based on their potential because they have 4 DUELIST players and haven't figured roles yet but they can take down teams in BF solely by their Firepower itself.

Ur boy skrossi getting benched 💀

gordonramsay [#36]

Ur boy skrossi getting benched 💀

I have NRG flair
You need 👓 ??

thatpower [#21]

i’m just worried about carpe tbh

Yea the one of the reasons I have them mid table for the first split

Olofboost [#20]

Zeta B lmaoo

Asia/South America teams are so overrated, EMEA gonna shit on them so badly, and the world will finally see that we deserved much more than 3 miserable slots

Nah EU so overrated. When you guys still remain the same after these franchise super team moves you will see again

Loud clears

Adi69LassiSeller [#37]

I have NRG flair
You need 👓 ??

common neet aspirant W

Adi69LassiSeller [#37]

I have NRG flair
You need 👓 ??

Why u not supporting indian goat skrossi

KOI C tier is wild

Nezko_ [#41]

common neet aspirant W

🤡

Warlordwibz [#33]

Valorant is great because all regions are treated equally not neglectfully. This is like the Americas franchise drama where NA teams gets equal 5 slots to the 5 SA teams counterpart complaining about their privilege "Merit" 7-3 ratio. Taking extra slot from others would create unequal opportunity of growth and would led to minor region due to unfair treatment.

Have you compared Europe/EMEA server/ranked population to Japan server/ranked population? If Japan has 1 slot, Europe should have at least 5

Olofboost [#45]

Have you compared Europe/EMEA server/ranked population to Japan server/ranked population? If Japan has 1 slot, Europe should have at least 5

bro just india s population is double than europe
we have china too
that means we should have 100 slots

Nezko_ [#46]

bro just india s population is double than europe
we have china too
that means we should have 100 slots

India big population doesn't correspond to their server population.

I know that EMEA server population is like 5-10 times bigger than Japanese one.

thanks for making RRQ the best bottom feeders, atleast they best at something

AzShun [#48]

thanks for making RRQ the best bottom feeders, atleast they best at something

Brah 💀🥹

Dokka [#43]

KOI C tier is wild

they might be 7th of emea tho, its not all bad.

Olofboost [#47]

India big population doesn't correspond to their server population.

I know that EMEA server population is like 5-10 times bigger than Japanese one.

WHAT?
bruh valorant is one of the biggest pc esport here in india
pretty sure more players than eu LMAO what are your sources lil bro XD
also why tf are u comparing whole regions population with 1 country?

kind agree
Let's see after VCT start
Hope Loud play well

no1haterbutloveyou2 [#50]

they might be 7th of emea tho, its not all bad.

top 4 emea

Nezko_ [#51]

WHAT?
bruh valorant is one of the biggest pc esport here in india
pretty sure more players than eu LMAO what are your sources lil bro XD
also why tf are u comparing whole regions population with 1 country?

It doesn't have more playerbase than EU. Not even close.

I can't link my sources, but I remember seeing something like EMEA having almost 2x of ranked playerbase of APAC.

Olofboost [#20]

Zeta B lmaoo

Asia/South America teams are so overrated, EMEA gonna shit on them so badly, and the world will finally see that we deserved much more than 3 miserable slots

Yes, Zeta is overrated on this list. But DRX and PRX aren't (in terms of Asia).

Olofboost [#54]

It doesn't have more playerbase than EU. Not even close.

I can't link my sources, but I remember seeing something like EMEA having almost 2x of ranked playerbase of APAC.

Yeah no wonder "remember" don't post takes based on what you think could be the case

Olofboost [#54]

It doesn't have more playerbase than EU. Not even close.

I can't link my sources, but I remember seeing something like EMEA having almost 2x of ranked playerbase of APAC.

18/10/2022 Patch Notes 5.08

We agree with feedback that in some regions there are too many players on the leaderboard, and after a certain number leaderboard rank loses a lot of its luster. We are rolling out a cap to the amount of players that can appear on the leaderboard on a region-by-region basis.

KR - 5k
NA - 10k
AP - 15k
EU - 15k

AP = EU 15k
Pacific KR + AP (20k) > EMEA (15k)

edit: Wait till China player base gets added too ya?

DRX literally beat FPX 4-0 at champs but you put them as equal 😂

Warlordwibz [#57]

18/10/2022 Patch Notes 5.08

We agree with feedback that in some regions there are too many players on the leaderboard, and after a certain number leaderboard rank loses a lot of its luster. We are rolling out a cap to the amount of players that can appear on the leaderboard on a region-by-region basis.

KR - 5k
NA - 10k
AP - 15k
EU - 15k

AP = EU 15k
Pacific KR + AP (20k) > EMEA (15k)

edit: Wait till China player base gets added too ya?

Why are you adding those numbers lmfao, are you alright man?

The maximum amount of players that can appear on leaderboard means absolutely nothing about each region's playerbase

Korean "leaderboarders" might be overrepresented per capita, and EMEA "leaderboarders" underrepresented per capita

Do you really think Korea, a country with 50 million population, has only 3 times less playerbase than EMEA, a region with billion population?

.

Olofboost [#59]

Why are you adding those numbers lmfao, are you alright man?

The maximum amount of players that can appear on leaderboard means absolutely nothing about each region's playerbase

Korean "leaderboarders" might be overrepresented per capita, and EMEA "leaderboarders" underrepresented per capita

Do you really think Korea, a country with 50 million population, has only 3 times less playerbase than EMEA, a region with billion population?

Why are you adding those numbers lmfao, are you alright man?

To give you an overall how big of a sizeable region Asia or Pacific really is.

The maximum amount of players that can appear on leaderboard means absolutely nothing about each region's playerbase

if the maximum amount needs to be supressed DOWN to 15,000, it means a regions playerbase is considered TOO BIG, to increase the value of being in top 15,000.

Korean "leaderboarders" might be overrepresented per capita, and EMEA "leaderboarders" underrepresented per capita.

Because APAC already has max cap 15,000. Putting Korean players into the APAC leaderboard would make APAC too big (Over 15,000+ ), thats why Korea needs in own leaderboard. If EMEA is underrepresented, why don't North Africa and ME have its own leaderboard too? Maybe not enough players?

Do you really think Korea, a country with 50 million population, has only 3 times less playerbase than EMEA, a region with billion population?

I'm just gonna end it with this. Valeriepieris Circle.

Warlordwibz [#61]

Why are you adding those numbers lmfao, are you alright man?

To give you an overall how big of a sizeable region Asia or Pacific really is.

The maximum amount of players that can appear on leaderboard means absolutely nothing about each region's playerbase

if the maximum amount needs to be supressed DOWN to 15,000, it means a regions playerbase is considered TOO BIG, to increase the value of being in top 15,000.

Korean "leaderboarders" might be overrepresented per capita, and EMEA "leaderboarders" underrepresented per capita.

Because APAC already has max cap 15,000. Putting Korean players into the APAC leaderboard would make APAC too big (Over 15,000+ ), thats why Korea needs in own leaderboard. If EMEA is underrepresented, why don't North Africa and ME have its own leaderboard too? Maybe not enough players?

Do you really think Korea, a country with 50 million population, has only 3 times less playerbase than EMEA, a region with billion population?

I'm just gonna end it with this. Valeriepieris Circle.

I thought you can't play on KR servers if you don't possess a Korean phone number?

Anyway, my point is, we don't how what has bigger playerbase, EMEA, or APAC+KR, there's no way to know that.

EMEA could be big enough for 19k leaderboard, suppressed to 15k.
APAC could be big enough for exactly 15k leaderboard, stays at 15k.
Korea could be big enough for just 2k leaderboard, extended to 5k since it's the minimum value.

19k > 15k + 2k. It's impossible to find out whether me or you is right.

Olofboost [#62]

I thought you can't play on KR servers if you don't possess a Korean phone number?

Anyway, my point is, we don't how what has bigger playerbase, EMEA, or APAC+KR, there's no way to know that.

EMEA could be big enough for 19k leaderboard, suppressed to 15k.
APAC could be big enough for exactly 15k leaderboard, stays at 15k.
Korea could be big enough for just 2k leaderboard, extended to 5k since it's the minimum value.

19k > 15k + 2k. It's impossible to find out whether me or you is right.

When China player base is added. We'll definitely know for sure who has more APAC or EMEA. Imagine China ranked population demanded more slots you know? Like your post #45

Warlordwibz [#63]

When China player base is added. We'll definitely know for sure who has more APAC or EMEA. Imagine China ranked population demanded more slots you know? Like your post #45

Alright then, China is added, APAC overtakes EMEA.

Still doesn't justify APAC having 6 slots last Champions and EMEA only 3 while having about the same population number.

We must get our reparations in additional slots for the misery we went through because of Riot not caring about our region.

Olofboost [#64]

Alright then, China is added, APAC overtakes EMEA.

Still doesn't justify APAC having 6 slots last Champions and EMEA only 3 while having about the same population number.

We must get our reparations in additional slots for the misery we went through because of Riot not caring about our region.

Still doesn't justify APAC having 6 slots last Champions and EMEA only 3 while having about the same population number.

All I can say to that is ur North Africa and Middle East counterpart need to step up their player base population to get their own slots as compared to our JP/KR/CN counterpart. EU and CIS can't carry all of EMEA.

Flyjin [#58]

DRX literally beat FPX 4-0 at champs but you put them as equal 😂

Because cned>ardiis at oping

Flyjin [#58]

DRX literally beat FPX 4-0 at champs but you put them as equal 😂

How many times DRX defeat optic? Yes
Fpx beat Optic? Yes

Dokka [#53]

top 4 emea

im curious which 3 teams are better than koi

no1haterbutloveyou2 [#68]

im curious which 3 teams are better than koi

Liquid NAVI fnatic

Where is EG

Hello troll main

LEV owns all those B tier teams and half of A tier teams, i'm tired of people still underrating them

HockeyStick [#71]

Hello troll main

👯 Hi HockeyStick 👯

avepalto [#72]

LEV owns all those B tier teams and half of A tier teams, i'm tired of people still underrating them

Bruh adverso and melser left , keznit is struggling and there are original Lev players shy king and taco. I'm fairly rating them as they did not stick to their old roster.

Adi69LassiSeller [#74]

Bruh adverso and melser left , keznit is struggling and there are original Lev players shy king and taco. I'm fairly rating them as they did not stick to their old roster.

they have an all star latam team, kaznit is an upgrade from adverso, as well as Mazino. Nozwer is pretty good too, on melser level i'd say. If anything LEV is better now than ever.

KC and VIT B tier hahhhahhahahahhaa

Scar98 [#76]

KC and VIT B tier hahhhahhahahahhaa

🗿

Swap VIT with KOI and u can't place KC at B-tier just because of scream, from their roster its like C or even D tier. GIA has big probability to defeat A-tier team