Am really sorry If I hurt your sentiments and I apologise for being an asshole , I really said it was genuine question about trans but people just took it as transphobic comment
We cant have conversations on this topic am really sorryy I didnt mean it like that I was genuinely curious if its that way
Again am sorry to everyone to bob more power to her <3
If you can please forgive me thats all I can say
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firo [#10]everytime someone does well in gc, their identity is questioned.
What are your thoughts on yay ? he’s farming in vct
Do you think its fair ? And if yes or no why?
yay is not human he is el diablo
drisp [#6].
heres the article and heres why youre wrong and fucked
https://news.stanford.edu/news/2008/february6/med-video-020608.html
a.bob is not a guy, ur transphobic L. there are studies that show trans ppl have similar brain structures to cis ppl of their gender u can google if u rly want
b. this study has 22 its neither qualitative as it wasnt in depth nor quantitative because 22 people
c. moreover this article doesnt even say men are better than women, it simply says men are more likely to get very invested in video games (again 22 people nothing definitive not even close)
d.NA gc scene was already rly weak, bob has played like 4 games and mostly against low t-2 and t3 teams, ARIANA GRANDE PERFUME was one of those teams, dont be surprised if bob doesnt go 22-1 against SR, other c9 players have dominated too, 4 games is too low of a sample size
e.cry is free
amyayayy [#12]heres the article and heres why youre wrong and fucked
https://news.stanford.edu/news/2008/february6/med-video-020608.html
a.bob is not a guy, ur transphobic L. there are studies that show trans ppl have similar brain structures to cis ppl of their gender u can google if u rly want
b. this study has 22 its neither qualitative as it wasnt in depth nor quantitative because 22 people
c. moreover this article doesnt even say men are better than women, it simply says men are more likely to get very invested in video games (again 22 people nothing definitive not even close)
d.NA gc scene was already rly weak, bob has played like 4 games and mostly against low t-2 and t3 teams, ARIANA GRANDE PERFUME was one of those teams, dont be surprised if bob doesnt go 22-1 against SR, other c9 players have dominated too, 4 games is too low of a sample size
e.cry is free
to add to what you've said - video games have historically been conditioned to be a "boy's activity" which has discouraged everyone else to participate. Its a classic case of society deciding activities one should partake in depending on their gender assignment - which is also why the study is biased even if it has a small sample size of 22. Professional esports is hopefully changing that, and given there is no physical attributes like weight involved in esports, I think women (cis or tran) can even outdo men (cis or tran).
kskm [#17]to add to what you've said - video games have historically been conditioned to be a "boy's activity" which has discouraged everyone else to participate. Its a classic case of society deciding activities one should partake in depending on their gender assignment - which is also why the study is biased even if it has a small sample size of 22. Professional esports is hopefully changing that, and given there is no physical attributes like weight involved in esports, I think women (cis or tran) can even outdo men (cis or tran).
agreed, plus most ppl who complain ab this dont even watch gc
I mean are you forgetting that Bob was actually pretty decent on Soniqs and EXO-Clan before C9W? Now they're around a better team that plays well with the way they play, and a different coaching staff. Sometimes to bring out someones FULL potential a different coaching staff can do wonders. C9W as a team has been dominate for awhile now, they all seem suuper close knit and understanding of how eachother plays.
amyayayy [#12]heres the article and heres why youre wrong and fucked
https://news.stanford.edu/news/2008/february6/med-video-020608.html
a.bob is not a guy, ur transphobic L. there are studies that show trans ppl have similar brain structures to cis ppl of their gender u can google if u rly want
b. this study has 22 its neither qualitative as it wasnt in depth nor quantitative because 22 people
c. moreover this article doesnt even say men are better than women, it simply says men are more likely to get very invested in video games (again 22 people nothing definitive not even close)
d.NA gc scene was already rly weak, bob has played like 4 games and mostly against low t-2 and t3 teams, ARIANA GRANDE PERFUME was one of those teams, dont be surprised if bob doesnt go 22-1 against SR, other c9 players have dominated too, 4 games is too low of a sample size
e.cry is free
W ASS RESPONSE
The only non-cultural reason that I might consider for men being better than women on average would be if it was discovered that something like hand size was positively correlated with being better at Valorant, but that seems unlikely (the one study I could find seemed to imply that small hands are better for speed while large hands are better for stamina). All of the psychological arguments have always been super weak.
As for Bob, she has probably had more experience playing against top NA teams like SEN, LG, V1, etc. than any other player in GC so that seems like a more likely explanation than any biological argument.
amyayayy [#12]heres the article and heres why youre wrong and fucked
https://news.stanford.edu/news/2008/february6/med-video-020608.html
a.bob is not a guy, ur transphobic L. there are studies that show trans ppl have similar brain structures to cis ppl of their gender u can google if u rly want
b. this study has 22 its neither qualitative as it wasnt in depth nor quantitative because 22 people
c. moreover this article doesnt even say men are better than women, it simply says men are more likely to get very invested in video games (again 22 people nothing definitive not even close)
d.NA gc scene was already rly weak, bob has played like 4 games and mostly against low t-2 and t3 teams, ARIANA GRANDE PERFUME was one of those teams, dont be surprised if bob doesnt go 22-1 against SR, other c9 players have dominated too, 4 games is too low of a sample size
e.cry is free
Based for providing facts
firo [#10]everytime someone does well in gc, their identity is questioned.
What are your thoughts on yay ? he’s farming in vct
Do you think its fair ? And if yes or no why?
He's fraggin in the regular league, if she was too no one would question LMAO
wtf even is this comparison
amyayayy [#12]heres the article and heres why youre wrong and fucked
https://news.stanford.edu/news/2008/february6/med-video-020608.html
a.bob is not a guy, ur transphobic L. there are studies that show trans ppl have similar brain structures to cis ppl of their gender u can google if u rly want
b. this study has 22 its neither qualitative as it wasnt in depth nor quantitative because 22 people
c. moreover this article doesnt even say men are better than women, it simply says men are more likely to get very invested in video games (again 22 people nothing definitive not even close)
d.NA gc scene was already rly weak, bob has played like 4 games and mostly against low t-2 and t3 teams, ARIANA GRANDE PERFUME was one of those teams, dont be surprised if bob doesnt go 22-1 against SR, other c9 players have dominated too, 4 games is too low of a sample size
e.cry is free
I promise bro am not hating or anything but the stats are just absurd. he said this and u replied with "ur transphobic L" "cry is free"
saying anything about lgbtq = hating & transphobe?
not generalizing but u guys are horrible, cmon we aren't trying to cancel u guys or anything, hes just asking a question
Tentativas [#26]Yes, it is unfair. No, the world isn't ready for this conversation.
you really thought you did something here, huh?
Sprout [#29]I promise bro am not hating or anything but the stats are just absurd.he said this and u replied with "ur transphobic L" "cry is free"
saying anything about lgbtq = hating & transphobe?
not generalizing but u guys are horrible, cmon we aren't trying to cancel u guys or anything, hes just asking a question
you cant disguise shit by putting a gucci belt on it, you cant directly be transphobic (lets be honest calling bob a guy and calling it unfair for her to participate IS transphobic) and then say no hate and then expect a good response
amyayayy [#32]you cant disguise shit by putting a gucci belt on it, you cant directly be transphobic (lets be honest calling bob a guy and calling it unfair for her to participate IS transphobic) and then say no hate and then expect a good response
**What are your thoughts on her ? she’s farming in gc**
**Do you think its fair ? And if yes or no why?**just to be clear, are these statements or questions
"calling it unfair for her to participate" and who exactly said this?
amyayayy [#12]heres the article and heres why youre wrong and fucked
https://news.stanford.edu/news/2008/february6/med-video-020608.html
a.bob is not a guy, ur transphobic L. there are studies that show trans ppl have similar brain structures to cis ppl of their gender u can google if u rly want
b. this study has 22 its neither qualitative as it wasnt in depth nor quantitative because 22 people
c. moreover this article doesnt even say men are better than women, it simply says men are more likely to get very invested in video games (again 22 people nothing definitive not even close)
d.NA gc scene was already rly weak, bob has played like 4 games and mostly against low t-2 and t3 teams, ARIANA GRANDE PERFUME was one of those teams, dont be surprised if bob doesnt go 22-1 against SR, other c9 players have dominated too, 4 games is too low of a sample size
e.cry is free
So you assume men are smarter than women? L opinion
We are equal, even in games
Nachtel [#19]TIL you have to limit yourself from performing in GC to appease transphobes in VLR, whereas nobody would bat an eye if a cis woman put up the same numbers.
no shit
firo [#10]everytime someone does well in gc, their identity is questioned.
What are your thoughts on yay ? he’s farming in vct
Do you think its fair ? And if yes or no why?
yay is a man in vct. Your comparison doesnt work
kskm [#17]to add to what you've said - video games have historically been conditioned to be a "boy's activity" which has discouraged everyone else to participate. Its a classic case of society deciding activities one should partake in depending on their gender assignment - which is also why the study is biased even if it has a small sample size of 22. Professional esports is hopefully changing that, and given there is no physical attributes like weight involved in esports, I think women (cis or tran) can even outdo men (cis or tran).
What's man to woman Valorant ranked playerbase ratio? Let's say 5 to 1. Quite realistic. In tier1, tier2 pro scene, there's not a single girl, and hundreds of men - thus the ratio is crazy, 150 to 1, 200 to 1, something like that.
It says something, doesn't it?
Bob has been trans a long time before she even arrived in the states with exo clan, she falls under the umbrella of people that Game changers represents. you cant say its unfair because there are no physical advantages of being a man when playing valorant. The only reason she is performing so high is because of her previous experiences playing against top teams in NA which has made her better at the game.
Mbappe [#33]I guess its more fun for her to win more, but she already showed she can be a good player in the “man” VCT scene. Why not keep proving there, at a higher level compared to GC?
This.
Bob is not the only trans female in GC, yet she's putting up numbers like no other. She was also amazing on soniqs and has only improved since then. Stop finding reasons to be transphobic. Her and all the trans or cis female players performing in GC are amazing and have a good future if they keep improving, appreciate them instead of hating on someone for their identity
firo [#10]everytime someone does well in gc, their identity is questioned.
What are your thoughts on yay ? he’s farming in vct
Do you think its fair ? And if yes or no why?
are you an idiot? of course the gender is questioned, and everytime it is questioned, they turn out to be male.
crashhacker1 [#44]it's hilarious but also sad simultaneously. I do want proper females competing in valo, but the females themselves let these kinds of people into their communities. you just watch from afar and enjoy the drama. nothing else you can do.
Is this what you want? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michigan_Womyn%27s_Music_Festival
Dybala21 [#15]Explain the word fair, fair as in she’s too good or fair because of something else?
Fair in the sense that bob has a penis
Mbappe [#33]I guess its more fun for her to win more, but she already showed she can be a good player in the “man” VCT scene. Why not keep proving there, at a higher level compared to GC?
money. C9 probably pays her good money and she probably won't be dropped for a long time due to how good she's proven to be in gamechangers. She has no incentive to leave and play in VCT.
amyayayy [#12]heres the article and heres why youre wrong and fucked
https://news.stanford.edu/news/2008/february6/med-video-020608.html
a.bob is not a guy, ur transphobic L. there are studies that show trans ppl have similar brain structures to cis ppl of their gender u can google if u rly want
b. this study has 22 its neither qualitative as it wasnt in depth nor quantitative because 22 people
c. moreover this article doesnt even say men are better than women, it simply says men are more likely to get very invested in video games (again 22 people nothing definitive not even close)
d.NA gc scene was already rly weak, bob has played like 4 games and mostly against low t-2 and t3 teams, ARIANA GRANDE PERFUME was one of those teams, dont be surprised if bob doesnt go 22-1 against SR, other c9 players have dominated too, 4 games is too low of a sample size
e.cry is free
A)I mean the take on trans women competing in women's physical sport is pretty evident that there's clear advantages that they have against the cis women, from genetic to cultural reasons like competing in Mens sport for many years which is usually a completely different type of sport so coming from that into a womens league you're able to take what you've learned an apply it. Having bigger organs and bone structure and density yada yada yaa
But when it comes to Esports the clear advantage would be playing video games since u were a young boy that you usally wouldnt be doing as a young girl but i dont even think that take is valid, (unrelated to BoB i know nothing , just a hypothetical)my only opinion on this specific matter is protecting the womens league like it should be done in physical sports as they were created as a safe space. idk who's decision it should be to safeguard that but it wouldnt surpise me that later down the road ppl would deceive ppl of their gender identity to make an online career out of it and accumulate as much prize winnings and financial gain. When ppl are that hungry for money and all u have to do is sign up online, live a double life and lie to 4 ppl and come 1st in a tournament it wouldnt be so far fetched as the prize pools grow and more tournaments happen that are lesser known.
B) A lot of women that compete in womens sports are scared to speak out about not feeling comfortable with the fairness of competition because they're scared of public judgement like you literally showed, gaming has been right leaning for the past decade and only the last 6ish years its started to turn theat corner. So why act like a complete asshole on a forum site where the user was literally asking for opinions. then sent an article ,whether it was right or wrong, made a disclaimer that they werent tryna offend anyone? you handled that shit so poorly, you could have just been polite about it, trans issues are complicated even to ppl in that community, how tf u gonna advocate for trans rights when ur clearly acting out of malice. No wonder why the trans community attacks everyone even other trans ppl, shits so sad.
C) when did he refer to BoB as a guy? they literally used female pronouns? Again Trans issues are complicated asf you have to understand that not everyone has exactly the same opinion as you and others, So if you meant referring to them as a guy by asking if they had an unfair advantage that they would attain from being born a biological male, for a lot of ppl to understand trans topics it helps them a ton to use and not forget about the biological origins of that person in a non-offensive way because its most likely the first time they've had to start to do that in their life and arent used to it, the user was clearly doing that and wasnt trying to offend anyone at all. He clearly agrees that BoB is a women cus he used her pronouns gtfo urself.
Drisp if u see this if u wna know more about trans issues try and find someone in ur life and ask them about it, I find having a human connection with someone and having heartfelt conversations about complicated stuff like that to be really beneficial, just be mindful of what u ask incase of triggers etc
My gf spent a lot of time talking to me about it and sometimes it was painful for them but it was well worth it! :)
Noodle [#46]Is this what you want? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michigan_Womyn%27s_Music_Festival
Of course. why would you want males in a competitive female environment? the team with more males in GC will keep winning if they keep allowing it. There's no two ways about it. Also, as my initial post referenced, I dont care much since the females themselves allow the males into these competitions. I'm just watching this with a cuppa coffee in my hand.
Chooui [#50]A)I mean the take on trans women competing in women's physical sport is pretty evident that there's clear advantages that they have against the cis women, from genetic to cultural reasons like competing in Mens sport for many years which is usually a completely different type of sport so coming from that into a womens league you're able to take what you've learned an apply it. Having bigger organs and bone structure and density yada yada yaa
But when it comes to Esports the clear advantage would be playing video games since u were a young boy that you usally wouldnt be doing as a young girl but i dont even think that take is valid, (unrelated to BoB i know nothing , just a hypothetical)my only opinion on this specific matter is protecting the womens league like it should be done in physical sports as they were created as a safe space. idk who's decision it should be to safeguard that but it wouldnt surpise me that later down the road ppl would deceive ppl of their gender identity to make an online career out of it and accumulate as much prize winnings and financial gain. When ppl are that hungry for money and all u have to do is sign up online, live a double life and lie to 4 ppl and come 1st in a tournament it wouldnt be so far fetched as the prize pools grow and more tournaments happen that are lesser known.
B) A lot of women that compete in womens sports are scared to speak out about not feeling comfortable with the fairness of competition because they're scared of public judgement like you literally showed, gaming has been right leaning for the past decade and only the last 6ish years its started to turn theat corner. So why act like a complete asshole on a forum site where the user was literally asking for opinions. then sent an article ,whether it was right or wrong, made a disclaimer that they werent tryna offend anyone? you handled that shit so poorly, you could have just been polite about it, trans issues are complicated even to ppl in that community, how tf u gonna advocate for trans rights when ur clearly acting out of malice. No wonder why the trans community attacks everyone even other trans ppl, shits so sad.
C) when did he refer to BoB as a guy? they literally used female pronouns? Again Trans issues are complicated asf you have to understand that not everyone has exactly the same opinion as you and others, So if you meant referring to them as a guy by asking if they had an unfair advantage that they would attain from being born a biological male, for a lot of ppl to understand trans topics it helps them a ton to use and not forget about the biological origins of that person in a non-offensive way because its most likely the first time they've had to start to do that in their life and arent used to it, the user was clearly doing that and wasnt trying to offend anyone at all. He clearly agrees that BoB is a women cus he used her pronouns gtfo urself.
Drisp if u see this if u wna know more about trans issues try and find someone in ur life and ask them about it, I find having a human connection with someone and having heartfelt conversations about complicated stuff like that to be really beneficial, just be mindful of what u ask incase of triggers etc
My gf spent a lot of time talking to me about it and sometimes it was painful for them but it was well worth it! :)
no one is reading this shit dude 💀💀
WinterZ [#51]I think it has more to do with the fact that she had considerable experience in Tier 1 NA scene before GC rather than her transgender identity.
How can you assume she is trans?
Nahboo [#55]How can you assume she is trans?
was about to give a serious reply and then I saw the username KEKW.
Nt Nahwhoo 0/8 as usual
WinterZ [#56]was about to give a serious reply and then I saw the username KEKW.
Nt Nahwhoo 0/8 as usual
OMG, how can you Assume someone trans? she never told you about that, even if it's true, you have no right to mock it
Nahboo [#57]OMG, how can you Assume someone trans? she never told you about that, even if it's true, you have no right to mock it
she, and other users in this forum, have stated numerous times that she is transgender. Nobody is mocking her for that either where tf did u pull that from?
WinterZ [#58]she, and other users in this forum, have stated numerous times that she is transgender. Nobody is mocking her for that either where tf did u pull that from?
Next time just stop it
drisp [#52]Am sorry to everyone please read !
dude u wasnt even being offensive, i feel for ya man, ppl calling u a transphobe for ur OG post are unhinged and a misrepresentation of a misunderstood community. some of the trans community online are so cutt throat and unaccepting its shocking, hope it hasnt effected u too much <3
Olofboost [#39]What's man to woman Valorant ranked playerbase ratio? Let's say 5 to 1. Quite realistic. In tier1, tier2 pro scene, there's not a single girl, and hundreds of men - thus the ratio is crazy, 150 to 1, 200 to 1, something like that.
It says something, doesn't it?
If you are trying to say lesser women play pro scene compared to casual ranked, that just proves my point.
Chooui [#60]dude u wasnt even being offensive, i feel for ya man, ppl calling u a transphobe for ur OG post are unhinged and a misrepresentation of a misunderstood community. some of the trans community online are so cutt throat and unaccepting its shocking, hope it hasnt effected u too much <3
You get it bro I was not trying to spread hate or some I was genuinely curious why people think she is better or why not because I just felt there is something more to it idk people just took it as transphobic and did not have a normal conversation
amyayayy [#12]heres the article and heres why youre wrong and fucked
https://news.stanford.edu/news/2008/february6/med-video-020608.html
a.bob is not a guy, ur transphobic L. there are studies that show trans ppl have similar brain structures to cis ppl of their gender u can google if u rly want
b. this study has 22 its neither qualitative as it wasnt in depth nor quantitative because 22 people
c. moreover this article doesnt even say men are better than women, it simply says men are more likely to get very invested in video games (again 22 people nothing definitive not even close)
d.NA gc scene was already rly weak, bob has played like 4 games and mostly against low t-2 and t3 teams, ARIANA GRANDE PERFUME was one of those teams, dont be surprised if bob doesnt go 22-1 against SR, other c9 players have dominated too, 4 games is too low of a sample size
e.cry is free
Didnt age well
ThePsych0 [#69]People may call me transphobic too cause I just dont agree that trans women are real women...but yea.
Agreed so yeah I think Bob since he is trans can compete in GC because it’s made for that
its not a female league , it’s for non male identifying people, so with those rules in place people like Bob are fair to participate.
But imo the distribution of cracked successful non-cis players to cis in this league is pretty high which makes me question the idea that performance in competitive esports is genderless.
I’d prefer the same divisions as normal sports but i guess there’s not the player base or demand for it
saltbox [#28]tell that to my boyfriend who is far less competitive about the game than i am
Shut up bro it's the "average"
koreankid259 [#73]Shut up bro it's the "average"
i posted this a month ago, what the hell got you so riled up about this so late? lmao
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