thats how i see it from these past 2 masters
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EAST ASIA > APAC
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FlyingDoggoWoweeClap2 [#4]nah i still believe in PRX cuz they deleted XIA with no sweat js
Forget this already?
https://www.vlr.gg/85535/zeta-division-vs-paper-rex-valorant-champions-tour-stage-1-masters-reykjav-k-lr3
FlyingDoggoWoweeClap2 [#4]nah i still believe in PRX cuz they deleted XIA with no sweat js
prx will do good but im talking about in terms of these past 2 masters, east asian teams have not only gone further but had more teams go further as well
Okayyyyyy [#6]Fun fact, this result means East Asia is 8-3 in H2H against APAC in masters, champions and LCQ
but of course we will get 0 slots cuz riot is fucking dumb
SigmaMale [#7]Forget this already?
https://www.vlr.gg/85535/zeta-division-vs-paper-rex-valorant-champions-tour-stage-1-masters-reykjav-k-lr3
and where are they now?
if NTH struggling against XIA what do you think PRX would do to them?
jimjam789 [#9]but of course we will get 0 slots cuz riot is fucking dumb
I've been saying East Asian regions should get more slots since forever, people always rate APAC above these regions, (maybe bc of their playstyle idk?) when EA have always preformed better...
jimjam789 [#8]prx will do good but im talking about in terms of these past 2 masters, east asian teams have not only gone further but had more teams go further as well
yeah im really confident with PRX and 1000% we can win against East Asia teams this master
tonyhart7 [#13]Japan is literally worst region excluding Master 1 fluke run while APAC consistenly top 8
actually true, tho i dont agree that Zeta fluked, but top 3 is a little bit stretched. Maybe top 4-6
Okayyyyyy [#21]I've been saying East Asian regions should get more slots since forever, people always rate APAC above these regions, (maybe bc of their playstyle idk?) when EA have always preformed better...
It's more about player and fanbase rather than competitiveness, iirc. East Asia needs to prove thay the fanbase and playerbase numbers are going to dwarf APAC to be able to have more slots.
tonyhart7 [#13]Japan is literally worst region excluding Master 1 fluke run while APAC consistenly top 8
1 team region KEKW. apac achievements- 4th place finish in m1 and top 8 in champions, top 8 m2. east asia achievements, top 3 twice, 5th place, top 8 twice (drx will prob do better than top 8 this time)
TMosura [#11]My butt is ready for franchising
can't wait for weekly bangers
also the possibility of finally having a SEA superteam
TMosura [#24]It's more about player and fanbase rather than competitiveness, iirc. East Asia needs to prove thay the fanbase and playerbase numbers are going to dwarf APAC to be able to have more slots.
Japan alone has much more viewers than the whole SEA
jimjam789 [#25]1 team region KEKW. apac achievements- 4th place finish in m1 and top 8 in champions, top 8 m2. east asia achievements, top 3 twice, 5th place, top 8 twice (drx will prob do better than top 8 this time)
better than ur team got grouped at Champion and lose to worst region (japan)
PrTsty [#20]Forget this already?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Julius_Caesar
That's some damage there 💀
PrTsty [#20]Forget this already?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Julius_Caesar
How could anyone forget that, it changed valorant esports history bro
TMosura [#24]It's more about player and fanbase rather than competitiveness, iirc. East Asia needs to prove thay the fanbase and playerbase numbers are going to dwarf APAC to be able to have more slots.
who is to say kr isnt competitive? drx is dominant but that doesnt mean kr is bad or NECESSARILY worse than apac, cuz they would dominate apac just as hard. if anything these korean teams have been putting up closer statlines against drx than some international competition.
MerkFreeks [#31]How could anyone forget that, it changed valorant esports history bro
it scientificly did, that was actually a pretty big global event
TMosura [#24]It's more about player and fanbase rather than competitiveness, iirc. East Asia needs to prove thay the fanbase and playerbase numbers are going to dwarf APAC to be able to have more slots.
Aside from Japan, this would be true, we can only hope the game picks up in korea, but hopefully it can gain traction when the gane gets released there, especially of they can prove they are worthy opponents
jimjam789 [#33]who is to say kr isnt competitive? drx is dominant but that doesnt mean kr is bad or NECESSARILY worse than apac, cuz they would dominate apac just as hard. if anything these korean teams have been putting up closer statlines against drx than some international competition.
I'm not implying KR is less competitive. I'm just implying that from Riot's point of view, they see KR's fanbase and playerbase isn't as big as APAC (and considering APAC has 3 subregions, with SEA having 6 subregions on their own)
Okayyyyyy [#35]Aside from Japan, this would be true, we can only hope the game picks up in korea, but hopefully it can gain traction when the gane gets released there, especially of they can prove they are worthy opponents
Yeah, Japan is rising RAPIDLY and I hope Riot notices that
jimjam789 [#25]1 team region KEKW. apac achievements- 4th place finish in m1 and top 8 in champions, top 8 m2. east asia achievements, top 3 twice, 5th place, top 8 twice (drx will prob do better than top 8 this time)
Bro you are saying east asia as if KR,JP are both the same region you do realize they they both have their own dedicated slots so saying east asia (jp,kr) is better than APAC is kinda unfair i mean you are litreally comparing 2 regions with one region
jimjam789 [#33]who is to say kr isnt competitive? drx is dominant but that doesnt mean kr is bad or NECESSARILY worse than apac, cuz they would dominate apac just as hard. if anything these korean teams have been putting up closer statlines against drx than some international competition.
chill man juat read back what he said. keyword "rather"
TMosura [#36]I'm not implying KR is less competitive. I'm just implying that from Riot's point of view, they see KR's fanbase and playerbase isn't as big as APAC (and considering APAC has 3 subregions, with SEA having 6 subregions on their own)
gotcha
archetype [#43]Do we need to make this thread immediately after this loss? Feels like we're kicking down on APAC even though we shouldn't. It's Masters, Lord knows the Asian region needs to stick together and support every Asian team.
Asians hate each other
no wonder
archetype [#43]Do we need to make this thread immediately after this loss? Feels like we're kicking down on APAC even though we shouldn't. It's Masters, Lord knows the Asian region needs to stick together and support every Asian team.
i think everyone is misintepreting this post. this isnt na vs eu. this wasnt meant to be bm or toxic or anything like that. just simple recognition that east asia is at the very worst competitive with major regions now
Hecking_Love_Tenz [#44]Asians hate each other
no wonder
Understandable during regionals.
During Masters though? EMEA and NA clown on us. APAC/KR/JP are very close friends, scrim partners, two of us even share servers and meet each other regularly. We gotta stick together, that's how I view it. There's KR Pride, JP pride, SEA/APAC Pride, but larger than that, there's Asia Pride.
jimjam789 [#45]i think everyone is misintepreting this post. this isnt na vs eu. this wasnt meant to be bm or toxic or anything like that. just simple recognition that east asia is at the very worst competitive with major regions now
"Misinterpreting this post" "wasn't meant to be toxic" when mf literally wrote EAST ASIA>APAC just to start a fight and now trying to look like a nice innocent guy kekw
Domination [#47]"Misinterpreting this post" "wasn't meant to be toxic" when mf literally wrote EAST ASIA>APAC just to start a fight and now trying to look like a nice innocent guy kekw
Yeah that koreanoverlord guy is litreally fighting with everyone to prove it
Domination [#47]"Misinterpreting this post" "wasn't meant to be toxic" when mf literally wrote EAST ASIA>APAC just to start a fight and now trying to look like a nice innocent guy kekw
and i listed the literal FACTS about achievements of east asia vs apac. how is me listing a fact toxic or starting a fight.
jimjam789 [#49]and i listed the literal FACTS about achievements of east asia vs apac. how is me listing a fact toxic or starting a fight.
It's the timing of the post man. It went up just as XIA suffered a really close loss so obviously it seems a bit tactless/disrespectful. I understand your intent but also understand the reactions of other people too.
Domination [#47]"Misinterpreting this post" "wasn't meant to be toxic" when mf literally wrote EAST ASIA>APAC just to start a fight and now trying to look like a nice innocent guy kekw
i never once put apac down or called them trash etc, only stated that east asia > cuz of their clear achievements. if youre gonna get mad at me for stating a fact then just go repeat history class and flame the teacher why dont you kekw
PrTsty [#20]Forget this already?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Julius_Caesar
im giggling uncontrollably 💀💀
Shashwat_Singh [#48]Yeah that koreanoverlord guy is litreally fighting with everyone to prove it
yeah keep victimizing urselves while calling korea 1 team region
archetype [#43]Do we need to make this thread immediately after this loss? Feels like we're kicking down on APAC even though we shouldn't. It's Masters, Lord knows the Asian region needs to stick together and support every Asian team.
archetype W
KoreanOverlord [#54]yeah keep victimizing urselves while calling korea 1 team region
Other teams can’t even take a map off drx if that is not 1 team region then what is
Shashwat_Singh [#56]Other teams can’t even take a map off drx if that is not 1 team region then what is
did NTH take a map off DRX????
if DRX was in APAC nobody would take a map off them either LOL, maybe PRX gets 1 map
KoreanOverlord [#57]did NTH take a map off DRX????
if DRX was in APAC nobody would take a map off them either LOL, maybe PRX gets 1 map
So what happens to them at international
Shashwat_Singh [#58]So what happens to them at international
nothing? did your mind glitch and think DRX lost to a SEA team?
KoreanOverlord [#59]nothing? did your mind glitch and think DRX lost to a SEA team?
I mean the reason you guys have one slot is because of VS performances last year
Shashwat_Singh [#60]I mean the reason you guys have one slot is because of VS performances last year
bro u are delusional if you think slots are based on meritocracy and performance
brazil never got out of groups all year and this year they have the same amount of slots as the entirety of north america
Shashwat_Singh [#60]I mean the reason you guys have one slot is because of VS performances last year
thats not why we have 1 slot. sea did not do better than VS last year and yet they will have 4 guaranteed apac slots compared to our 1 guaranteed for champions
KoreanOverlord [#61]bro u are delusional if you think slots are based on meritocracy and performance
brazil never got out of groups all year and this year they have the same amount of slots as the entirety of north america
It pretty sure does performance definitely also plays a big role BR has one only slot the other one you know the lcq (latam+br) remember last time at champions VK,Vikings almost defeated the the finalists of champions acend,gambit even though they ultimately didn’t made out of groups and kru finished top 3/4 this kinda justifies why they have an extra lcq slot aside from the one they already got
jimjam789 [#62]thats not why we have 1 slot. sea did not do better than VS last year and yet they will have 4 guaranteed apac slots compared to our 1 guaranteed for champions
Wdym 2 SEA teams were in the playoffs at champions and FS made it out of LCQ (JP+KR+APAC) and in masters 3 our best team at that time Bren (TS) were unable to play the event due to the visa issues. Also KR started of pretty good top 3 but fell off slowly in masters 3 (KR had 2 teams btw) top 8 and then ultimately grouped plus SEA is such a big region consisting of so many countries
jimjam789 [#62]thats not why we have 1 slot. sea did not do better than VS last year and yet they will have 4 guaranteed apac slots compared to our 1 guaranteed for champions
i'd say SEA did better than VS last year, 2 teams in playoffs in the most important event of the year. VS made playoffs in berlin but who knows what bren could've done if they got their visas. SEA has 2 confirmed slots, KR 1, with lcq's for APAC N and APAC S. Performance alone doesn't determine slots but i think it does play a factor cause look at the changes made to BR 2 slots when they didn't achieve jackshit.
fracra [#66]i'd say SEA did better than VS last year, 2 teams in playoffs in the most important event of the year. VS made playoffs in berlin but who knows what bren could've done if they got their visas. SEA has 2 confirmed slots, KR 1, with lcq's for APAC N and APAC S. Performance alone doesn't determine slots but i think it does play a factor cause look at the changes made to BR 2 slots when they didn't achieve jackshit.
Exactly now they have to share a slot with latam probably cause of KRU’s performance at champions
fracra [#66]i'd say SEA did better than VS last year, 2 teams in playoffs in the most important event of the year. VS made playoffs in berlin but who knows what bren could've done if they got their visas. SEA has 2 confirmed slots, KR 1, with lcq's for APAC N and APAC S. Performance alone doesn't determine slots but i think it does play a factor cause look at the changes made to BR 2 slots when they didn't achieve jackshit.
u know BR still has 2 slots, and 3 for champions right?
Shashwat_Singh [#65]Wdym 2 SEA teams were in the playoffs at champions and FS made it out of LCQ (JP+KR+APAC) and in masters 3 our best team at that time Bren (TS) were unable to play the event due to the visa issues. Also KR started of pretty good top 3 but fell off slowly in masters 3 (KR had 2 teams btw) top 8 and then ultimately grouped plus SEA is such a big region consisting of so many countries
going off international results alone in 2021, kr- top 3 finish, top 8 finish. sea- 2 top 8 finishes. and u cant use the fact that kr had 2 teams in masters when sea had 3 in champions when kr had 1. cant be bringing excuses like visa when i can also start using excuses like 'drx happened to vs gmb in quarters and were the only team to take a map off them in playoffs' or like 'teams like TS had the easiest route to playoffs in champions whilst drx had to verse 2 major region teams in their group'
fracra [#66]i'd say SEA did better than VS last year, 2 teams in playoffs in the most important event of the year. VS made playoffs in berlin but who knows what bren could've done if they got their visas. SEA has 2 confirmed slots, KR 1, with lcq's for APAC N and APAC S. Performance alone doesn't determine slots but i think it does play a factor cause look at the changes made to BR 2 slots when they didn't achieve jackshit.
top 3 top 8 > top 8 top 8 no matter how u look at it. 'who knows what bren could have done with visa' when i could say 'who knows what VS could have done if they didnt vs GMB in the quarters', mind u bren literally thought VS was the best team in the world at that time and GMB themselves had said VS is their biggest threat.
jimjam789 [#69]going off international results alone in 2021, kr- top 3 finish, top 8 finish. sea- 2 top 8 finishes. and u cant use the fact that kr had 2 teams in masters when sea had 3 in champions when kr had 1. cant be bringing excuses like visa when i can also start using excuses like 'drx happened to vs gmb in quarters and were the only team to take a map off them in playoffs' or like 'teams like TS had the easiest route to playoffs in champions whilst drx had to verse 2 major region teams in their group'
First of all SEA had 2 direct slots in champions FS earned their slot in LCQ there could’ve been 2 KR teams in champions but weren’t cause they didn’t made in LCQ second visa is totally a different issue idk how are you comparing it to which team had a easier route and which one not. They were our best team at that time (3-0 prx in finals) imagine if VS didn’t made it to masters 3 due to some issues and f4q was your only representative would you have got a top 8 finish no right by this i am not saying TS would have made it to playoffs or something like that but they were robbed of their chance due to uncontrollable circumstances
KoreanOverlord [#68]u know BR still has 2 slots, and 3 for champions right?
1 confirmed slot with 1 last chance for masters and 2 last chances for champs, big difference.
jimjam789 [#70]top 3 top 8 > top 8 top 8 no matter how u look at it. 'who knows what bren could have done with visa' when i could say 'who knows what VS could have done if they didnt vs GMB in the quarters', mind u bren literally thought VS was the best team in the world at that time and GMB themselves had said VS is their biggest threat.
top 3 in the first ever international lan, with a terrible playoffs system with only 10 teams that allows them to go top 3 while only winning 2 matches against 2nd seed teams of diff regions. top 8 in the second masters event. 2 top 8 finishes in the most important event of the year > top 3 in the first one with 10 teams only and top 8 respectively. obviously riot also prioritizes recent results over older ones to shape the 2022 vct circuit. also the what if scenarios are incredibly different, on one hand the best team of a region can't attend and play, later on they also got top 8 in champs so it's more relevant to discuss this one, where the other one is seeded into.
Shashwat_Singh [#71]First of all SEA had 2 direct slots in champions FS earned their slot in LCQ there could’ve been 2 KR teams in champions but weren’t cause they didn’t made in LCQ second visa is totally a different issue idk how are you comparing it to which team had a easier route and which one not. They were our best team at that time (3-0 prx in finals) imagine if VS didn’t made it to masters 3 due to some issues and f4q was your only representative would you have got a top 8 finish no right by this i am not saying TS would have made it to playoffs or something like that but they were robbed of their chance due to uncontrollable circumstances
- still had more slots than kr in champions
- i brought it up cuz bren obtaining visa literally does not mean anything or guarantee results. they werent that much better than prx (2 of the 3 maps went OT) and prx bombed out at the very bottom of their group without winning a game.
fracra [#73]top 3 in the first ever international lan, with a terrible playoffs system with only 10 teams that allows them to go top 3 while only winning 2 matches against 2nd seed teams of diff regions. top 8 in the second masters event. 2 top 8 finishes in the most important event of the year > top 3 in the first one with 10 teams only and top 8 respectively. obviously riot also prioritizes recent results over older ones to shape the 2022 vct circuit. also the what if scenarios are incredibly different, on one hand the best team of a region can't attend and play, later on they also got top 8 in champs so it's more relevant to discuss this one, where the other one is seeded into.
Gonna add onto it and also one of the reasons KR has only slot this year is due to the fact there was not much of a competition in the region at that time aside from VS. NU,F4Q,Damwon all played in lcq but did not made it out and at that time kr was regarded as the best region in asia since none of the kr teams made it out people started calling it a one team region
hazard25 [#63]we are not 1 team division unlike DRX
Yes u are
I bet damwon would get to masters if they were in ur circuit
jimjam789 [#74]
- still had more slots than kr in champions
- i brought it up cuz bren obtaining visa literally does not mean anything or guarantee results. they werent that much better than prx (2 of the 3 maps went OT) and prx bombed out at the very bottom of their group without winning a game.
Well SEA consists of multiple countries (VN,TH,ID,MY/SG,HK/TW) justifies them of having 2 slots at champions and totally agreed with the second point obtaining visa dosent guarantees results
KoreanOverlord [#76]Yes u are
I bet damwon would get to masters if they were in ur circuit
lmao dude , the lost to global esports https://www.vlr.gg/39490/global-esports-vs-damwon-gaming-champions-tour-asia-pacific-last-chance-qualifier-ubro1
hazard25 [#78]lmao dude , the lost to global esports https://www.vlr.gg/39490/global-esports-vs-damwon-gaming-champions-tour-asia-pacific-last-chance-qualifier-ubro1
and then did this
archetype [#43]Do we need to make this thread immediately after this loss? Feels like we're kicking down on APAC even though we shouldn't. It's Masters, Lord knows the Asian region needs to stick together and support every Asian team.
w
FlyingDoggoWoweeClap2 [#22]yeah im really confident with PRX and 1000% we can win against East Asia teams this master
im still confident about this btw ^
jimjam789 [#25]1 team region KEKW. apac achievements- 4th place finish in m1 and top 8 in champions, top 8 m2. east asia achievements, top 3 twice, 5th place, top 8 twice (drx will prob do better than top 8 this time)
still better than 1 team ur region bitch
for prx fan no need to respons all korean dude, JELOUS detected. every word they will say it to rise their pride, but in fact only CLOWN, they think every past match mean = same result, what an dumb person i have ever seen, if ur country cannot reach same achievement as other dont be jelous buddy, that's why ur country crowned as THE MOST BULLYING COUNTRY LOL.
Hecking_Love_Tenz [#27]Japan alone has much more viewers than the whole SEA
Japan alone has more viewers than eu
levia09 [#90]is this thread still relevant now? i'm curious
its because of the KoreanOverlord threads that got deleted
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