Theyve been impressive; was expecting there to be a decent gap between them and the mid of the pack teams but theyre pretty dang close

so yea, with a bit more polish they could have def won 1-2 more games and had a serious shot at making it

look at KC and ask that question again

The sheriffs are just the best guns this game
The amount of insta 1 taps would make even scream jealous

Yea theyre def a top team on paper
I'm not convinced they'll do well in the rapid fire international games, since Rhyme is just so new to calling, but im also more than willing to be proven wrong if they make it to Tokyo

so what youre saying is c9 is paying the media to cover up for mCe?!

The fact that this is a(nother) drama is wild to me
We know from multiple coaches explicitly that they were strict with their players and no one gave and will continue to give a crap. Do you see people going after coaches like Sliggy, mCe, Onur?

To quote jakee from yesterdays interview
"Also his sternness as a coach, when you make a mistake he just yells at you, straight up, and you know when you made that mistake and you know when you're about to get yelled at and you know you wanna fix it next time, and that super super important in a coach"

Sliggy went into it afterwards: "Stern? Yea you got to be. Like every time I would shout at the players, our next [...] day, would always be incredible [...]" continuing " [...] That's the problem, if you shout and everyone listens and they improve then its like, well you got to carry on doing that"
He finished by saying "You have to have someone in the team who has to be the bad person, especially when you're working with a lot of young people that haven't had other jobs, I guess."

So it isn't any of these people being toxic, or trying to create an unhealthy environment, its them trying to enable players to properly develop. And looking at it like that Sacys response is more than reasonable. If he believes its what is required to help the (previous) team win, I see no reason to backtrack.

not sure if thats meant to be a compliment or if youre being stupid xD
you can check their profiles; 4 out of 5 of them have twitters which they actively post to, including selfies

now this is the kind of banter thats fun

its hard to tell what is crowd and what is just pure chance, however we do know from past lans that players have commented on the crowd being audible through the mics
they are a potential concern

ye idk, OG being so butthurt with Ec1s is weird, but we dont know what went on beforehand to lead to it + it aint exactly the first time Imports into pacific had a rough time

if I had to pick a single game it'd have to be Minecraft
just combines so many different genres
not the best at anything (except maybe being an art program in game form) but good at pretty much everything

3 13-0s in a row seems normal

Easily was Guild
the 2 of us that existed lasted with them despite them never winning a tourney ;3

that joke aside Id go for BBL, theyve been able to maintain a consistence fanbase in valorant despite never doing well outside of turkey
and it might have been a couple years ago now, but the EU vs Turkey war during the first official EMEA tourney was vicious

very different type of scouting imo
Mini has pretty much always had to look for players to fit straight into a top 2/3 team in EMEA, where as mCe is mainly looking for players who can develop

treating it exclusively as a 1st split thing current c9 is pretty bad compared to the absolute highs we saw out of fnatic (after for example enzo getting picked up)
However looking at it long term there is def gonna be more improvement on c9

more of a general question: in your opinion how should fat jokes be handled? are they different to other jokes on peoples flaws?

regarding the constant fat "jokes" on here:
like as with any jokes about personal flaws, its weird af to do it with people you don't know. Joke with people whos boundaries you know instead of strangers; they'll at least give it back from time to time.
Doesn't help when people are too lazy to come up with new jokes either and its just the same jokes over and over again.

that epilepsy warning at the start of the stream wasnt kidding

ey ey ey table tennis is the best prep there is
Fnatic just won an international event with Boaster giving us regular table tennis updates regarding his rivalry with leo

Loud know its the easiest way to win

this^
like I did enjoy the memes and all but I do hope he's fine mentally
stepping down like this mid season (on a team with essentially no sub) shouldn't ever be necessary

the Vam roster is such a shame
the original roster could have done some serious damage, but now...

new players looked good aim wise at least so lets see if the team can develop

India buff is real, somehow adding 2 new players made the other 4 synergize together better
actually a really good performance from GE

adding on to the above:
LF is decent too as we saw this game
and Bazzi plays a really good raze, but similar situation to Monyet

idk I was expecting bazzi to carry tbh since he was the most well rounded duelist of the bunch

after the roles were shown you're right though, and its been a super pleasant surprise to see those 2 doing so consistently well

he was/is an insanely good player
so people take his past performances on the most consistent team in 2022 and assume he will preform the exact same on a completely different roster

we wont know whether or not he will till he gets to play
and no marved wont magically save the roster, but its one of the changes that could potentially improve the roster

I personally would prefer sticking with a 5 man roster and letting them get synergy + work roles out, but there is a point to be made about having one of the best players of last year just sitting on your bench

its not even that theyre preforming bad
they almost 2-0d flipping Lev - yes the end result is that they lost, but thats at least a decent look

The only realistic reason to change your coach this early on imo is if they dont synch with the igl at all, but I really cant see that being the case here considering how long theyve been together on xset

I dont get it either. Maybe theyre giving the 2 subs way more in depth info on the anti-strat or something?
cause like neither of them have any hard lineups that would need them to swap constantly

well this game happened
idk how to rate t1 after this game

a bit of both really

if theres something to take away from this is that c9s roster has potential and mce did insane with the prep

no despite their goal to have an all french speaking roster, there is no regional rule for EMEA
(if anything teams are expected to mix as many countries as possible, since riot didnt try to spread out the orgs countries)

NA imports into EMEA are still super unlikely since salaries are just lower over here afaik
+ theres still a ton of talent in france, its just KC fcking their team up so bad

THEY CHANGED THEIR COMPPPPP
ITS HAPPENING
wild comp but its a change

BBL did a KC and changed nothing up after their last split game
people really struggling with this weekly format and the amount of anti teams can do

they have to look better now
you dont get more wakeup calls than they have; their coach has been able to come up with strats in the past so theres 0 way theyre running the exact same strats again... right? RIGHT?

looking forward to if they do

why tf would you remove the igl xD

yes they have a shot
their biggest problem is that they didnt change anything up (strat wise) the past weeks, which is why they got stomped SO hard

if they managed to fix that theyre a decent team at least... still at a huge disadvantage vs Vit but its doable on paper

look like ofc youre not wrong
but also.... -draken +draken buff is real

THE GUILD CUUUUUUURSE
ok a bit early in the tourney for it but still

rough watch atm, idek

thats why we're all here

well they are tbh
as much as we like to flame some of them, theyre mechanically gifted and the ones that keep at the grind stay at the top of t2 at the very least

he also joined the old g2 roster as an igl after Davidp left (though based on ardiis story time, idk if he ever ended up being igl)

yeee ik thats why I singled out keiko xD the others been around for a while

The whole Apeks roster tbh, but specifically https://www.vlr.gg/player/11494/keiko (19 - Polaris' best duelist-fragger atm)
On a similar note https://www.vlr.gg/player/21619/jugi - he was the highlight of fokus since he joined and hes kept up the level for a year now

https://www.vlr.gg/player/9583/nille - Dragged his team into Polaris (from Promo) in the first place and has been doing well since (was also a beast during his time on tundra) - currently teamless
https://www.vlr.gg/player/321/chiwawa - perma stuck in t2, hes been farming people with his cypher; main problem is that his other agents look a lot worse atm

currently struggling in DACH (just swapped this split so only 3 games), but was insane the 2 splits before https://www.vlr.gg/player/11134/kicks

eeeh wouldnt say that

BBL def dont deserve to be on the list since theyve looked good so far
TH are a bit of question mark atm so fair game
and KC is KC xD idk if theyll be able to turn it around this season

basically its pretty dang similar to americas in the sense that theres (currently) only 2 clear outliers (and its a bit early imo to judge how regions are stacked towards the top)

shame, they're the most strategic knowledgeable duo we have atm
at the same time people have been asking for a new casters at masters for a while now so I dont think its necessarily a bad thing; as long as its actually a new duo

get some apac casters already

id say Bazzi, but he's also been flexing a bit on his previous team so it makes sense for him to fill another role
and Monyet was also the duelist for onic and looked really good during his time with them

imo t3xture is still top 3 in the team, based on public results, so since the other 2 are looking really good on their new roles it makes sense to leave him on the jett

we dont have much data for international competition for any of the 5 jetts though so its hard to judge from the outside

Nille and Vorwenn leaving right after the season starts, with neither having offers from another org afaik, is rough

Another loss for polaris and def isnt gonna help with the stability issues the regions been having

dont try to bs us here :(
not having the highest acs in 1 out of 3 games as duelists = kick, thats the vlr rules

they saw KC getting memed on for their strats and wanted some attention too

no one tell em that you add sugar to your tomato sauce

at this point scream just isnt
whatever the reason is, the fact that scream consistently ends up in teams with no successful igls (mainly calling out the KC roster since hes the dedicated IGL there, whereas TL were playing hot potato with the role)

aim doesnt matter if its impossible to build a proper team around you (which KC supposedly is)

I just hope that Scream is open to playing with an IGL in the future.... just watch the current game... it hurts

and thats the first week where most watchparties didnt know it was happening
and its already an insane baseline for some of the vcls in terms of promotion

might be more exciting for a casual audience so would be something they can (and should) try down the line (assuming they have the staff to cut the highlights together since all the VCLs are all understaffed already xD)
I do prefer the current format IF they're able to consistently find/produce games as good as ff vs smb since this was a great showcase of t2 (and should lead to more new viewers compared to highlight videos imo)