Shahzam Reddit Response

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https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/ug2foz/my_sentinels_copium_is_gone/i6xslo1?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3

It's insane How much the prices of anything in the USA market got inflated bc of TenZ Buyout.

That's why i think we Will hardly see any NA Superteam in the Future, the price for anything in NA is Just so fucking expensive.

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delusional_sentinels_fan1

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Thank you C9 Jack!

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no1xetafan

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not jack's fault ,Tenz carries an immense brand value

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delusional_sentinels_fan1

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I think TenZs brand was worth every penny of that buyout but this is the aftermath of it all, it just annoys me that this is how this business works.

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jawn

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esports contracts are out of control at this point

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Buyout is cringe

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VirajKnight

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Device was sold for 1 Mil. But EU CS never had this problem.

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delusional_sentinels_fan1

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Device is like the second greatest player of all time. Also how do you know that CS doesn't have this problem? It could be that the stories just never come out.

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EU CS scene has 20+ years old, Valorant at the time barely had 1 year.

And EMEA never needed a super duper team to Win nything.

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Giannero

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Astralis was the "super duper team" tho

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I can't disagree

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andrewdamf

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astralis was not a super team, they just had all the right metas, mentality, igl, coach etc. Also obviously having device one of the best players in history also helped ALOT

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Giannero

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They weren't, but they sure delivered and performed like one

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AverageJoe

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nah, they are only 'super team' after they started winning. THey didn't get the best players in the market to build their team

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PastorClarence

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except they were a core team for years before they became the best in the world. Xyp, Device and Dupreeh were the 3 core players and didnt need buyouts, magisk was a relatively unknown free agent when they picked him up, and the same with gla1ve.

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Giannero

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But they did become a super team

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nikoko07

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but they weren't built as a "superteam", faze 2018 was an real superteam

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Giannero

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That's why I used quotes

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PastorClarence

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yes but buyouts were not necessary for any of the players which was the original topic

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kickstar

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Astralis became a super team. They werent one right of the back. They developed over the course of time. Choking time after time and finally understanding whats the right approach, and thats what makes a team great.

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Because they usually either wait for contracts to run out (Magisk and Dupreeh going to Vitality), or they have huge funding like G2, NIP or Faze. Sen is a pretty small org compared to them.

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CS is also 20 years old so the pro scene has matured and it took 20 years for a player to be sold for 1m and that too the 2 time Major MVP and 4 time Major Winner.

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no_noise_979

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it was 7 million krone

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AVE_TRUE_TO_CAESAR

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1 million in USD = 6.5 million Krone
https://dotesports.com/counter-strike/news/nip-reportedly-paid-around-1-million-to-acquire-dev1ce-from-astralis

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AVE_TRUE_TO_CAESAR

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kek imagine agreeing to pay a LAN choker the same price as a 4-major winner. Sentinels really sucks at bartering

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Whizzpoppers23

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How are you this dumb that you don't understand how 'brand value' is seen in esports. I feel sorry for u

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Trykan

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I think its also because Valorant is such a new game. There won't be that many coaches nor would the wuality of them be good either.

So the better coaches price will just be crazy higher

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RATZAM

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Shownu

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TenZ was only great for commercial value and pull. He is inflexible with agents and that's an issue as the meta shifts.

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you act like they bought tenz yesterday when infact he was bought out at his prime, he WAS the best player in the game at that time. Only master mvp and could bring in more viewers than all the valorant pros back then combined and also tenz isnt top 5 rn coz just look at how sen as a whole play theres no hope for then rn and it isnt tenzs fault, as of rn he is doing really well considering how bad his team is rn

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Shownu

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They bought him and have not had any success since. Once 2021 end, Sentinels went downhill

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nah they still dominated NA but struggled internationally but it isnt tenzs fault. sen wouldnt have won iceland without tenz period (he was the mvp for a reason brutha)

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gweees

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You are not wrong about his inflexibility but when they bought him they just came off a dominant tournament victory and he had just had the still single greatest individual performance in any tournament. Hindsight is 20/20 they in no way knew that the meta would shift so much.

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BIGGEST_LG_FAN

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I think shahz cares but he's in a bad spot. Ik we probably shouldn't feel bad for people who have had massive success but he gets so much hate for stuff he can barely control, can we as a community quit our hate boner for SEN and prove we are actually not all braindead :D

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delusional_sentinels_fan1

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Common LG fan W. I will put aside my hate boner (for now).

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Zay301

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thank you sen_fan

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W

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h9zard

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wait W take, W LG fan.

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no_noise_979

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🐀 RatZam 🐀

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drugsellernearyou

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perhaps i treated you too harsly

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hiroeats

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LOL

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Netero

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No way people are falling for this BS

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Amok

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yes lets all listen to Netero, they usually have very insightful input

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andrewdamf

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Besides your takes on sentinels, all your other takes are pretty dogshit bro

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APAC_jimmy

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Clownzam at it again

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Netero

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W we all know the reason why they don't have a coach is that Shahzam wants a yes man and thinks his strats are the best. The coach would also question their commitment to the game with Shahzam trying to leave scrims early to stream. Literally every org has no problem buying out a coach, the market isn't inflated from a contract that was signed a year ago.

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AverageJoe

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did u even read the post lmao. other team dont have this problem because they didnt sign TenZ

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Netero

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"I want more money because tenz on your team" yeah ok bruv, I'm sure that's what went down during the negotiations KEK! Yay's contract was probably close to Tenz and they have a coach.

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Mca

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I'm pretty sure this actually could happen. Normally in football when a team is really well financially, other Teams trend to ask more money for that team when they are trying to buy Someone.

They know they have the money, so obviously they Will ask for a Lot.

Even tho, i think Sentinels has the enought money + Stream money to buy a decent coach, they Just have to get out of the confort zone to do this.

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AverageJoe

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it is not because TenZ is on their team, but is because they know they are willing/able to pay a lot for player.

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APAC_jimmy

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facts. Typical cope from shaz. He doesn’t want anyone telling him he’s in the wrong

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Netero

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W

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RickyIndian

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poor guy man. sucks that he has to go through all this but whatever

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h9zard

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Bro they couldn't get Ethan either because of the same reason. Thats pretty fucked. I feel like the Org should intervene and do something about it. Maybe negotiate for them or increase the allowance for the buyout.

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Not going to take on usual shahzam responses, in which everyone in his universe appears to be angry and ignorant - probably for some weird reasons. But TSM, for example, is an organisation that isn't angry for no reason though actually, truly understands what's going on in the so-called "INFLATED" market. They're trying some interesting things with their roster... cough... cough... having ONE head coach... + TWO assistant coaches working together... cough ... cough... (holyyy) which, in the long term, may help them develop and reinforce their roster by establishing the proper framework, among other things.

The important thing is that TSM is finally doing it and not just talking about it like some others: "...we've had two different coaches ... we even worked with another during stage 1... but..." How about trying another 3-5 or even 7 coaches or assistants/analysts? What stops them??? Whatever really...

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tinted

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ah, yes. because t1 na igls like zander, fns etc. would never dare to lurk! it would completely screw up their calling, right?

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Gyro

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tenz buyout was justified cause of his stream
others are not tenz level creators

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LMAO no fucking way dude. This sounds like BS excuse nothing else. MikesHD was a free agent for god knows how long. And if NA coaches are this pricey, why not get one from EU or Asia? Oh right because not every coach is gonna be shaz's bitch like Rawkus could be. The streaming shit is BS too. There's literally no fucking way you can stream for 35 hours weekly and still focus well on pro play. Literally no other tier one igl does that, they're nowhere near shahzams numbers. Also watching anime or playing other games in free time can actually help de-stress a player, unlike streaming. Entertaining a big audience takes energy. Agree with the chamber thing tho

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KyLZi

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What kind of buyouts are companies asking for coaches? lol, it cant be on the same level as a player.