if each international tournament had more teams

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armadmeister1

Do you think champions should expand to 32 teams instead of 16?

I feel like the more teams we had for each international tournament, the more special and hype it is. Riot probably does not have the budget to accommodate all these teams, but it would be cool to see. If the Esports and game had a sudden boom in popularity and revenue, i think they should try this for a year atleast.

Franchised leagues should still retain 12 teams, and it goes like this:

Masters 1:

12 teams, so top 3 of each region goes to masters 1

Masters 2:

16 teams, top 4 of each region goes to masters 2

Champions:

32 teams, top 8 of each region goes to champs.

But then again, it would be WAY easier to qualify to champs if the top 8 were to go. It would make playoffs of split 2 completely meaningless.

Idk, wdyt?

edit: A 24 team champs tournament could work too

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Paraplant

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i fuck with it
if the game is popular enough, and there is enough money, then i like this
they can do a format similar to north east challengers where they’ll have lower swiss with weak teams, then upper swiss with top seeds joining, and then playoffs
cuz i would love to see some random game like eg vs rrq

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JeremieFrimpong

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Eg vs rrq would be banger

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I can't wait to lose it watching koi vs ag

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i do not want to see teams like 100T EG or C9 at champs so no lets keep it at 16 teams

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vexdia

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no way, top 8 from eadch region will cause weird upsets and then the finals would be shit

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Top 8 for Champs might be too much

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u want an event with single elim like lock in cz they simply cannot do one or two months long event

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both masters should be 16 teams tbh. champs should be 24.

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top 8 is way too much. the tournament would last forever (like 2-3 months)

u would have 32 teams and if they did swiss or something with the fewest games possible then u would still have 77 games including top 8 playoffs and if u play 2 games each day with a few breaks in between some swiss games and playoffs u would still end up with almost 2 months of just 1 valorant tournament. The cost of this would be insane and it's just too many meaningless games.

Only way 32 team system would work would be for single elim like lcok//in but for the biggest tournament of the year to decide who is the best team, single elim just isn't a good format for this.

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I fuck with anything that gave more content for me

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archetype

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24 team Champs would slap

top 5 from each region + Ascension winners

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Zerphyr1

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ascension happens after champs

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archetype

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they gotta change that shit dawg i want ascension teams at champs bruh

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Zerphyr1

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thats so dumb tho
Asc winners have a very good cahnce of not being strong enough to do well at champs and they will just get stomped when other teams that have proven themselves could go to champs instead. Also they will have very little prep time as even if asc happens before champs then they would be practicing like crazy from before ascensipn, during it, and then during champs.

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archetype

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if i was a competitor i'd want to be able to prove my peak against the best teams in the world, fuck the practice time

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Zerphyr1

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thats what stage 1 and kickoff is for.

The point of champs is for the best teams to fight for who's the best itw not to just prove themselves as a good team.

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archetype

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ascension teams can have the potential to win champs, stage 1 and kickoff is domestic and not in the peak meta for ascension teams. i don't see why letting ascension teams participate in Champs is such a bad idea, there are many stories of Ascension teams performing well against tier 1 teams during their peak (XLG, BME, NS, G2, M80).

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Zerphyr1

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2/8. obvious bait now

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Northbriton

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whats the point ascension teams aren't near champs level

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archetype

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SPG was rolling Champs teams in scrims and G2 literally made Champs

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Zerphyr1

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scrims don't mean shit and g2 wasn't the same team in the end of 2023 then at the end of 2024. If g2 went striaght from scension to champs I doubt they would do much

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That's just a blind assumption, there's more evidence to suggest G2 wouldn't perform bad with their original roster than not.

scrims are still an indicator of performance more often than not.

the only region where ascension teams are significantly worse than the regular franchised teams is emea. In the other 3 regions there is an ascension team that performs above the average (G2, XLG, NS/BME)

So why not let Ascension teams participate alongside the top 5 of their region at Champs during their peak?

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Zerphyr1

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I can tell ur baiting now so this is my last reply

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archetype

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cannot give a rational and measured response = "you're baiting" yeah good to know buddy

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Jivko

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for that to happen we need more teams in the league. Ideally I'd want them to be 16