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not a single person is arguing that nongshim "deserves" higher than the 4 seed lmfao

i can sit here and watch but nobody actually believes NS is any better than fourth in that group, just that by some technicality they could be higher

current seeds are accurate representations of the skill displayed, real sportsmanship is just taking the L straight on, but NS is on twitter crying like talon wouldn't even have a tie breaker, and instead be FIRST if CRWS Dad hadn't sadly passed

disgusting fanbase, honsetly miserable, cant handle that SEA dominated split 1

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They deserve 1seed

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No

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Legit the ones crying is unnecessary lol even I watch chobra he is so fine with NS being fourth

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uhh yeah? then talon would be 4-1, are you stupid?

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NS are an ascension team. meaning that they are constantly on the edge of relegation. meaning that every championship point matters.

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So they go on twitter and cry about how placing are decided, instead of winning games in the server LMFAO

This is a bad look on NS REGARDLESS, but the fact that this tiebreaker only exists because someones father died is geniune cockroach behavior

Need to see more Persia tweets apologizing for going -15 against Talon instead of coping about tie breakers

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what even happened

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coping and seething

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Yeah i feel like this NS issue could be solved if they simply won their matches, upset about not winning a h2h vs TLN? Just win then. TLN are only 3-2 because of a family death causing an IGL shift. And even if they did lose to ZETA outside of other circumstances that doesn’t mean that NS deserves it more than them. 9/10 times TLN will beat NS, this whole thing can just be settled on the server idk why the fans are so uptight about placement.

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NS issue could also have been solved if the rulebook was better worded T.T

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i feel for that but its just bad optics rn

you can be mad at the lack of transparency from riot and understand that you'd be 4th regardless lmfao

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The problem isnt a lack of transparency, the problem, is that, if you stick to what the rulebook says, they are 3rd, not 2nd, they also did the mistake while doing math, forgetting the (a)

The only way you can defend what the rulebook say is by saying "Sure it's not written in the rulebook, but usually it works like that", they are nothing in the rulebook that says in the mapdiff, the best team is out of the tiebreaker before the last in the mapdiff

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"decide who advances" not "decide who is disqualified"

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All of this team advances

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i think what u dont get is you're looking at it like tiebreaks are here to decide seeds but theyre here to decide the winner of the group

lets just say this group was here to decide a trophy, you decide the first place trophy first then the second place trophy

you dont decide fourth place at the same time as first..

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Totally agree

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"current seeds are accurate representations of the skill displayed"
True, but current seed isn't an accurate representation of what the rulebook says

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then riot is biased if they not following their own rule book

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I think the problem isnt that they dont follow the rulebook. I think the problem if they have a precise idea, tried to write it in the rulebook, but failed at transcribe it in the rulebook, so when we follow what the rulebook says, we arrive at a different conclusion of what Riot wanted to do in the first place (And Riot stick to what they wanted to do in the first place), this is a really weird situation, because Riot is the guilty here, and the only way to defend them is to say "Sure it's not written in the rulebook, but usually it works like that", wish sint a good take

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😭😭😭

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It's just poorly worded, there is no writing which says all tiebreakers are map differential and that Talon will be taken out of the first tiebreaker. NS want talon out of the tiebreak in the map diff stage, no rule says that, tiebreaks are stated in the rulebook by riot to decide WINNERS.. instantly disqualifying any notion that NS has

Tiebreakers are there to decide who WINS right, so they aren't going to remove talon first in the map differential, they will remove RRQ as they win the map diff tiebreak, then they move to the next tiebreak, which talon wins..

It's poorly worded, but do not misconstrue the fact that there are no rulebreaks here, only confusion

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"NS want talon out of the tiebreak in the map diff stage, no rule says that"
The rule (1) specify that we use "mapdiff", and nothing is precise about the best in mapdiff being out of the tiebreaker before the last in mapdiff, so if it's not written, both team should be out of the tiebreaker in the same time, so RRQ should be out of the tiebreaker in the same time of TLN, meaning if we follow the rulebook, TLN are out in the same time as RRQ meaning they are 4th

"Tiebreakers are there to decide who WINS right"
They are nothing that say that is the rulebook, it's a definition some people use, but it's not even the etymological meaning of the word (Tiebreaker are just... Breaking the tie, it can either say who win, but also say who loose). If Riot want to put the best team out of the tiebreaker before the worst team, then it SHOULD be written on the rulebook, and we just cant rely on "Yeah usually we do like that"

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/529726174549770240/1364245411870543962/GpI305Ma4AAXyKv.jpg?ex=6808f80c&is=6807a68c&hm=30164ccee805ec2b90c5007cd8f502396680abb78f9c96cd77827e3b1a3dc171&

But at least we are agree on the conclusion "Riot didnt change the rule, in their mind the rule where always like that and the rulebook is poorly worded"
tldr ; The problem is "Riot doesnt follow their rulebook", the problem is "The Rulebook, doesn't follow what Riot wants"

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Not the point tho, the point is that they are supposed to get higher than 4th seed. Apart of the rules, the point isnt that they dont deserve 4th

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they dont

RRQ wins map diff, then they exit the tie break as the tiebreak is consistently noted to decide who advances, this is where the confusion is.

then talon wins h2h, stated in the rules.

then t1 and ns remain, t1 wins as stated in the rules.

im just ADDING that ontop of NS not being technically third, they also do not DESERVE that based on their woeful performances

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we can blame RRQ for this, how tf they lost in the match they shouldnt lost

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very true you could blame RRQ for losing directly giving talon 2nd

maybe they knew this lmfao

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would it affect standings if RRQ won?

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No

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yeah bc first tie break is map diff then T1 win 2nd, but maybe NS still finish 4th

t1 for sure move up tho, myb

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No. Even if RRQ would have won the first priority would still be H2H, which Talon has over NS and T1. NS would then still be fourth because they lost to T1.

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dk my impression was the first tie break was map diff but yeah if its h2h first then talon wins

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NTM on the goats