blah blah scrims blah blah

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afaik scrim leaks or sharing isnt against ANY riot rules, riot doesnt have any rights over the scrims vods
so why are people asking riot to intervene as if they can control what teams do outside of the general guidelines and rulebooks
if teams dont want scrims to be leaked, they blacklist the teams. RIOT CANT DO ANYTHING.

also british people are retarded
https://www.vlr.gg/post/4750811/should-we-kick-korea-out-of-vct #39
riot doesnt own the content public makes with their game, THAT IS ESSENTIALLY WHAT SCRIMS ARE
its like saying every content creators content which includes valorant is owned by riot and the monetization should go to riot
british people suck omg, people always clown on american education but these people are such idiots
idk how you come to the conclusion that riot should enforce rules against scrims leaks, LEGALLY THEY CANT ITS IMPOSSIBLE

best teams can do is blacklist who they wanna

FOR RESTARDED PEOPLE SAYING CHET WAS BANNED FOR LEAKING SCRIMS

he was not. he was banned for streaming official on stage riot voice comms from their matches without riots permission, that content was owned by riot and chet was violating DRM

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also 2 am so i cant type properly, excuse any mistakes

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Go sleep baby, good night

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isnt it morning in poland

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11am

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Want me to sing u a lullaby

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im whispering a lullaby for you to come back home

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??????

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https://youtu.be/mZD6xxq-eyI?si=97JMcLw_W22mXD-C&t=218

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Woah this song is so good :3

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W based husband moment

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Love you <3
Should I finish watching Frieren? I watched it halfway and really liked it but I had a period of time where I didn't feel like watching anime

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i mean for me its one of the best, but it has to resonate with you, its a slow burn but regardless it picks up with AMAZING world building, plus the animation is probably the best ive ever seen. if you want to witness a story telling masterclass i would say go for it.

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Oki i'll go watch it once i'm finished with Blue Lock :3

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if I excused the mistakes there'd be no post left

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nice completely unnecessary personal attacks lil bro

also, riot can easily punish teams within their own ecosystem for breaking rules of their own ecosystem. It's not about DRM or copyright. It's about competitive integrity. Complete deflection.

You've made 0 actual points and attacked me personally like 8 times. Education my ass.

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an idiot- a person who has ZERO FUCKING CLUE ABOUT ANYTHING talking as if they are right

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pot meet bloody kettle mate

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are you asking riot to control what other people with their own content? if youre not a idiot, who is?

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you keep editing your post

now youre talking about competitive integrity, but riot legally cant control other peoples assets, its like saying tarik's content is riots
and shanks or mooda's content is owned by riot, evn though morally mooda and shanks are people who should not be in the community, riot CANT CONTROL THAT. even though they do not display the same values that riot does.

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teams can blacklist people, riot can blacklist people. your entire argument is a misnomer. Why even defend scrim leaks in the first place? I don't get it.

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blacklist for doing nothing against the rules? please enlighten me
yes teams do blacklist people, thats literally what i said
i do not care about scrim leaks. i am just asking people to not focus on riot because they LITERALLY CANT DO ANYTHING. focus on the teams, give them shit, if you care about integrity.

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you call me an idiot and yet the argument you fall back on is "it's not against the rules" after failing to successfully argue why it shouldn't be against the rules.

Go to bed.

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its not against the law is the argument
the point is riot cant do anything, you should scrutinize the teams if you REALLY want it to stop
saying "omg riot sucks" wont do anythiung

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It doesn't have to be against the law to be against riots rules are you actually mad

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dudeeeeeeeeee.
omg.............

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don’t listen (american)

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riot cant. thats the fucking point, idiot. you keep saying riot can do something blah blah. BUT THEY CANT.
its impossible legally. you just keep parroting the same thing a clueless person does. you literally have no idea about how any of this works.

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they aren't suing for copyright infringement, they're enforcing a competitive ruling for their own bloody esport.

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WHICH THEY FUCKING CANT BECAUSE THE ASSETS ARE OWNED BY THE CONTENT CREATORS (in this case, teams)
and they legally cant stop THEM FROM FUCKING SHARING IT, THEY WOULD GET SUED YOU IDIOT

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lock in bro, there is no way you're getting cooked by 1243

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If getting cooked is him screeching insults at me whilst refusing to understand the difference between riot rules and countries individual laws then I think I'll keep getting cooked ty

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yep british moment fs
brother this is like saying riot can make any rule and people have to follow them
riot rules DO NOT overrule country laws

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I remember all those laws saying "you should be able to cheat in esports"

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yep you are acting obtuse for no reason, i refuse to think people can be this stupid

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You refuse to think.

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dude downvoting his comments every time isn't going to make you any less retarded

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show him boss

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literally who

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the system
the society
the upper floors

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bla bla bla ble ble ble blu blu blu

analysing scrims is pointless anyway
why say "retarded" and then "restarded" after, pick one lmao

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idk i said its 2 am

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go to sleep this is not worth losing sleep over man

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nah im reading chainsaw man, and i have off tomorrow so im gonna sleep till 2 pm
its just ignorant people piss me off

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this shit is still unethical lmao

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yes the point is legal vs ethical
in which case saying "omg riot sucks" is stupid

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cuz insults mcgee cares so much about ethics and morals

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the self upvoting is pathetic, you are literally wrong.
the point trying to be made here is teams should scrutinized for such behavior and it should become a unwritten rule, because it is not against the media management rights which serves as a foundation for video games and esports in general

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unwritten rule enforced by who

If it's not enforced it won't be followed. You know that's true.

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literally not true, what the fuck are saying?
you talk as if people cant trust each other, for all i know c9 and sen and g2 are all scrim partners with trust between them and they regularly scrim each other.

just isolate the bad apples, and form a group with an unwrittern rule with lots of trust to scrim.

saying if there are no legal rules (which btw will never happen as country laws overrule that shit making the "rule" null and void), there wont be teams who follow the ethical path is crazy

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These teams running "ethical scrims" against each other are absolutely still looking at other people's leaked scrims. They get the best of both worlds, no leaks of their stuff and availability of leaks on people with less connections. Hardly comparable.

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brother blakclist teams and dont scrim them. ITS THAT SIMPLE

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just don't scrim the best teams in the region 5head super easy

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first of all downvoting any more posts doesnt make you right.
not scrimming the teams who leak is something you have to deal with if you cant tolerate leaks, because there is not other way around. you are stupid if you think riot can do anything about this. all you can do this become better than the top teams and isolate them, thats pretty much it.

you being as smart as you are, why dont you suggest some rules that help this situation and DO NOT VIOLATE THE DIGITAL ASSETS OWNERSHIP

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it should be a rule though and the point of those posts is to pressure riot into making scrim leaking against the rules it is stupid of riot to not have considered this

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ITS NOT POSSIBLE. please read the whole thread.

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I mean surely you can define what a scrim is and disallow its sharing no?

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scrims are like contents owned by the teams. a corporation cannot control other peoples digital assets legally.

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But they can? There's already a huge thing in league about teams being allowed to stream scrims cause it would let teams profit of them like content, but riot has said no, they specifically disallowed GX! I scrim LR on stream like a month ago, your chatting out your ass.
If they can disallow team from scrimming on stream, they DO have control over what ppl are allowed to do with scrim footage, so they CAN make it against the rules to leak scrims, now enforcing that would be impossible except for rare cases but you can still make it against the rules.

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no they only can control commercial use of that footage, lol you cant stop people from sharing non commercial usage, even if riot can, country legal code can argue for fair use

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copyright IPs can be illegal; they can also be considered fair use, and just as an creator reproducing content would be illegal.
the TOS don't override the legal code of the country the artist lives in.

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I love how this post got like 10x the engagement the other post did even when you were essentially saying the same thing just cause this one had more emotionally engaging language

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engagement from two dudes going at it

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interesting convo im having, its entertaining

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man im just tryna help people realize you the culprit here are, even if riot thinks this is bad they cant do anything. people should focus their hate boner for teams if they really care about this.

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yup definitely not disagreeing with you here, just noting how two posts saying the same thing but one with slightly more emotionally triggering language gets 10x the engagement because of how inclined people are to respond to not critical thinking but emotions...

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Gluesniffer… you are the smartest person in this thread

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yapfest

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congratulations do you want a medal for just encoraging the guy to keep being toxic?

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Rereading my clarification… I can definitely see why it can come off as encouraging racism against British people, which is my bad and not my intention. My clarification to my clarification (whoops…) is that I was definitely not disagreeing with 1243’s points about scrims

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Bro it's 3am go to bed

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man i want to read chainsaw man :((((((

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Read it Tomorrow go to bed

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it's literally just him refusing to drop things instead of attacking people. No fucking shock I'm engaged when he's calling me names like a child.

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It is literally 2 dudes arguing like next world war they will start

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like get a room already

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he literally started the thread to call me names but clearly it's my fault you're so right

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bit mean eh?

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i hate ignorant fucks. love to britain!!!!!!!!! but we get cooked for education too much :(

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immediate 180 is insane go the fuck to bed already

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im not mean to nice people

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you fucking started it you abject liar.

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youre not nice

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not nice to people who aren't nice 🤷

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As far as I know and if I'm interpreting this correctly, Riot does have rights to remove such content. It's covered in their Legal Jibber Jabber.

We reserve the right to deny anyone the use of our IP at any time, for any reason or no reason, including when we decide, in our sole and absolute discretion, that you are using our IP inappropriately. If we deny you the right to use our IP, you must stop developing, publishing, or distributing your Project immediately.

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THEIR INTELLEVTUAL PROPERTY.
its literally written right there.
content created by others is not their IP.
this is like saying tariks content belongs to riot.
no, it clearly says their IP

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They do have rights to content created using their IP, what do you think you are doing when you sign the end-user license agreement after downloading Valorant?

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no it doesnt grant them rights to content created about their game.

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knew he was making shit up the whole fucking time goddammit what an utter waste of time

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lol he said some shit and you believe it, do you know how stupid you sound

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Are you actually dumb? Let me explain it for you, when you create content for any IP from Riot Games, they grant you a limited license which they can remove at any time at which time you would no longer be eligible to use or display their IP.

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and why would riot remove their license from legal use of content?

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Did you not read the quote? They can remove it for any reason, or no reason at all

We reserve the right to deny anyone the use of our IP at any time, for any reason or no reason, including when we decide, in our sole and absolute discretion, that you are using our IP inappropriately.

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will riot do that against scrim leaks? no, because that comes with part and parcel of the scrim system

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I don't know? That was not my point, only that Riot can intervene in such cases, even if it's not likely they would so.

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only commercial use requires permission from riot, non commercial use is not controlled by riot

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No? They control everything. They provide guidelines and rules for usage of their IP, but they reserve the rights to deny the user their license, even if it's for non-commercial purposes.

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copyright IPs can be illegal; they can also be considered fair use, and just as an creator reproducing content would be illegal.
the TOS don't override the legal code of the country the artist lives in.

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Fair use is not a right but a legal defense and it's judged case-by-case, it's only valid if the content is transformative enough (which a scrim isn't). Even then, Riot's claim is stronger because you've essentially signed a contract (the EULA) and are using their copyrighted game assets.

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you made a thread to deride and attack me for an hour straight over literally one comment on another thread you could've just replied to with the 1 sentence of worth in your original post.

But I'm the stupid one.

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allat to be wrong anyway 💀💀💀💀💀
(#97)

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LMAOOOO 😭😭😭😭

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although to be clear the TOS don't actually govern either of these things, TOS merely designate causes by which Riot can restrict access to their games and webservices, and any content a user might have purchased on either.
they cant stop them from distributing it. and under fair use, they can be challenged to be considered copyright IP.

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assuming riot rules are similar across games, riot literally can and have decided to stop the sharing of scrims https://www.sheepesports.com/en/articles/lol-los-ratones-and-giantx-scrims-were-canceled-due-to-riot-s-refusal/en riot can dictate the conduct of any teams they have a contract if the contract dictates they are allowed to do that, which could include scrim leaks.

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it can literally be considered fair use.
the TOS don't override the legal code of the country the creator lives in.
if LR went to court im pretty sure they could argue fair use, and it would get sanctioned.
now if they go through, their contract might be in danger

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Yes bro, judging by your replies in this thread you seem really well versed in these topics, Los Ratones should hire you as their advisor and take Riot Games to court.

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the point is it can be argued against
now im not a lawyer, i just indulge in some legalties im also 16 so it wont work but a top class lawyer probably will succeed

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how's the taste of your own medicine dumbass 🤣🤣

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???????? what
youre such a idiot
TOS literally cannot override country laws

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like anyone is going to court over "we should be allowed to cheat at esports :`( "

It wouldn't be worth contesting, especially because it'd destroy reputation. Just have integrity.

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its not cheating though is it? you can use that to your advantage even. just scrim with fake comps. you refuse to have an open mind.
and yeah people go to court for less than that

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Now you're literally arguing in favor of scrim leaking.

Legitimately completely unserious. Shouldn't you be in school?

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no i do not care about scrim leaking is my viewpoint, because its not a big enough issue to care about.
its a very easy obstacle to overcome.
thank you for the concern about the school though.

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Scrim leaking should be handled by teams not daddy riot. teams have to grow a pair and realize they can blacklist each other

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That's great until you remember it's alleged collusion by the top of a region and not just individuals.

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Generalizing that the every british person is r-word based on one guy is exactly what i expected from the terminally online shits on the website.

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they just have a hate boner for british people, what's new?

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the best part is he's not even right 😭

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im 100% correct here
sefl upvoting doesnt make you right

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