Why does CN as a region exist

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grisx23

Can we just perma have EDG qualify instead of having people to watch China vct games
Pretty sure the netizens of China will agree too

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why does kru as a team exist? i mean aren’t they just there to statpad regionally before falling off in playoffs/lan groupstages?

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That doesnt even make sense. KRU is 3-0, and Loud is 0-3. You are not even trying

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Denjisideals

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I love Kru but you set yourself up for this buddy.
https://www.vlr.gg/event/2004/champions-tour-2024-americas-stage-1/regular-season
https://www.vlr.gg/event/2004/champions-tour-2024-americas-stage-1/playoffs

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Are you braindead?
KRU is 5-1 on regular season, and 4th place on Kickoff out of 12. That doesnt make them fodder, that makes them contenders

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Denjisideals

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Kru won 1 map in playoffs.

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grisx23

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Sure you are not talking about M80's last game

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wasted spot at internationals, loud have one at least

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LPL_no1fan

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keep proving my point. kru yet to win a trophy even with that aguero money

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grisx23

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Get off the alt buddy

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china has had the game out for like 2 years and they have done a great job keeping somewhat up. they are still behind but overall have done a pretty good job

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Ronyko23

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kru is final boss of fodder teams. Free win for nova xlg in their first int.

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grisx23

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"kru is final boss of fodder teams"
is 3-0
Cant even make shit up

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Ronyko23

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Int fodder. No expectation. I respect that tbh.

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grisx23

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yeah like all of CN teams ever until EDG won

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LeCat

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Trace and BLG were in top 8 in champs, while kru best achievement in that period were being 0-9 and winning 0 games in champs

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messithegoat

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we will see if kru are play offs merchants or not soon

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Pixalfv

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just dont watch China games then...
EDG won Champs
TE beat VIT and LEV at Champs
BLG beat NRG at Champs 2023 twice

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Ripbozo2

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make EDG part of pacific and relegate entire VCT CN

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tiyoe

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riot would never do that because the orgs and fanbases in china are huge

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gordonramsay

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because CHINA makes RIOT lots of money and come back within 2 years they will shit on most regions

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For real... CN is so boring. No matter what happens, it'll always be EDG winning CN (ez farm).
And even on the rare occasion that they make it to second place, they'll anyways perform like #1 at internationals. Meanwhile any other chinese team will get eliminated the first chance they get.

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cxrsedval

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trace 2024 champs? bilibili 2023 champs hello?

#18

RzqoFoxie

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Exactly my point. Trace 2024 champs playoffs
0-2 upper bracket. 0-2 lower bracket. Instantly eliminated

BLG 2023 playoffs.
0-2 upper bracket. 1-2 lower bracket. Instantly eliminated.

Thanks for the help

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cxrsedval

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when has a belgium team done anything 😘

#20

RzqoFoxie

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My guy thinks I give a fuck about belgium. Nice try my guy : )
On the other hand, kids like you have so much pride over your country. It becomes child play to hurt that little ego

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cxrsedval

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is it wrong to love my country? ever heard of patriotism? if belgium was good enough you would properly love it too

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RzqoFoxie

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Exactly my point. So easy, I barely had to try

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Toruuut

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I mean what does koreaboo like you even know about patriotism? bro hates edg just cause edg is Chinese and loved a lot. Also a bandwagoner who started supporting kr team just cause geng won Shanghai

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where tf did this come from lmfaooo

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Toruuut

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I have noticed him hating and downplaying edg champs win for a long time now. Also bro is probably a league lck fan not bandwagoner tho. He is the only one in vlr who is more defensive and sensitive about korea than actual Koreans.

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RzqoFoxie

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Someone's salty :)
You should really get your facts straight before saying the first idea that pops into your mind

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SuperRoss

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been saying this for a while, one continent two regions, while africa only has mena (t2), sa and na are grouped together

make it make sense

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cxrsedval

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NA + SA population = approx 1 billion
Europe + MENA population = approx 2,3 billion
asia population = 4 billion

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

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zhongZHI

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why argue with someone with a th flair about EDG or china. their judgement is clouded

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SuperRoss

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i was saying this before last year, if you don't know, don't talk

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zhongZHI

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yea that means ur judgement is clouded dumbass seeing that even a champs trophy cant change ur mind means ur biased as fuck.

u lit just self admitted to being biased idiot thanks for proving my point

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SuperRoss

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bait of the lowest quality

mb for even interacting

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zhongZHI

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theres more honor in just admitting ur biased then calling this bait when i raised a valid point about how u literally have admitted to being biased

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SuperRoss

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africa population 1.5 billion -> 0 teams...

having a singular region for one whole country, whilst most nations and cultures in asia have no way to get a team in vct makes no sense (and that's before considering the kind of country china is).

we all know what you want to say, have at the very least the self-respect to say it with your chest out loud,
your comment makes no sense, you're not inherently superior to anyone, awful to have to see people like you.

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geospliced

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Africa has a large population but has virtually no PC sport development.
China is a very large and highly technologically developed nation with a large esport scene and lots of engagement potential. Other countries in Asia are either too small or do not have large enough of an esport scene to merit an exclusive region.
True

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SuperRoss

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1- i disagree, everyone should have a fair chance regardless of where they come from

2- idc, they should compete against others like everyone else has to

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geospliced

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I disagree with your disagreeing. Africa literally doesn't have the infrastructure to handle a large scale esport scene like Valorant and even less so the potential to nurture future talents due to the lack of wealth and technology. Computers are expensive and I doubt the average teen in Libya or Algeria is grinding for a future in Valorant.
But that's the thing, they kind of can't. Running any international initiative in China requires a unique approach due to how the laws work over there, and considering the massive companies willing to invest and support the esport scene, it is only reasonable to consider creating an individual scene for China. With the addition of a large and talented talent pool and a gigantic population with lots of access to esports and technology, China completely merits its own region. They are large enough to compete with themselves.

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SuperRoss

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i'm sure there's plenty that would appreciate a chance
last year (continuing into this year) a quarter of teams competing in intercontinental events was guaranteed to be chinese, they are by far the most represented nation (second most represented in playoffs, if i'm not mistaken). i don't fw that, because their representation is artificial, they compete against no one else, i'm not talking about money, idc about that and will never understand people that value it, i want to see different cultures compete against each other, regardless of quality, and when a quarter of the teams are from china that goal hasn't been reached, sadly.

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geospliced

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Absolutely and I hope they get their chance someday.
The backing behind lots of CN teams at internationals is that RIOT doesn't discriminate by region. I understand your greviances and I too would like to see a more diverse roster of nations represented on the international stage but that's hard to balance. We might even see 4 KR teams at champs this year.

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SuperRoss

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true, theoretically you could have:
4 korean teams that'd have to beat teams from:
-thailand
-india
-philippines
-japan
-singapore

4 (3 this year) french teams that'd have to beat teams from:
-england
-ukraine
-spain
-turkey

4 brazilian teams that'd have to beat teams from:
-argentina
-usa

but china are guaranteed 4 teams

are the other regions perfect?
hell no, latam is pretty hard to get out of, portuguese and italian teams have seen their leagues deleted, and #49

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geospliced

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And I agree with you, but (talking about #49 too) it's hard to have fair representation when some regions can't produce viable teams (Africa atm) and other regions are too big (and complicated) to integrate into other regions (China into APAC).

continue thread →

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z12

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china has a huge market,stable orgs and a history in esports bro why we acting like the reason isnt fucking obvious

#44

SuperRoss

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not what we're talking about

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tiyoe

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creating a mena region will essentially just be creating a turkish region

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SuperRoss

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we do have a Middle East and North Africa region, tho it's only t2 and turkey's not in it because it's not in the middle east nor north africa

in order to get a north african (rest of africa has no pathway to vct) team into a masters or champs they'd have to:
-get into the mena vcl (currently has 0 african teams, they're all from the middle east)
-qualify for the mena playoffs
-finish in the top 2 there
-(if they lose gf) win the ascension playins
-win ascension
-qualify for said international
a chinese team would have to:
-qualify for said international

you see the difference right?
it's not about population, money or quality of gameplay, it's about fair representation which is just not happening

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LeCat

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Bro Americas have more African player than u. Emea in practice is just Europe+turkey. Even far eastern Russian play in APAC. You dont actually represent 2 continent

Africa getting a region is just a bad idea. Outside of yhe north part pretty much nobofy plays pc games...

But i agree that central asia should be apac though. Give us dos9 and sultan. Whydf are they Emea

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trikecycle

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china ARE the best region production wise, fanbase size wise, fun games wise, has wolves wise, low-key best region

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geospliced

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Because CN is the best esport market and producer out there?

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yehfela

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They had a champ in 2024
When does kru get a champ in master or champ?

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grisx23

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When is Boom getting its win against NS

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zhongZHI

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boom goes deeper than kru at champs kru is just for stat padding bro

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grisx23

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Kru is not making it out of playoffs

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Koreymi

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Kru fans shouldnt have the right to ragebait

But its okay, I understand the stress of supporting a bad team

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darkog__

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BRO U JUST STUPID NOVA ESPORT BEST TEAM RAHHHHH TYG- TYLOOOOOO ALSO THEY SOOOOO GOOD CHAMP FINAL TYGL- TYLOOOOO. VS NOVA YEYEEEEEEE LET GOOOOOO EDG NOOOOOOOOB TEAM

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xonya

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make it out of regional playoffs

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CczP1

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This is a characteristic of China. China wants to operate separately

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UhhBrandon

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china arrived on the scene late so naturally they will take some time to catch up. actually insane that EDG even won a trophy

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lovekylin

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hah, hope you always think like this and told all your friends this. no additional meaning.

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grisx23

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Thats lowkey scary. But its bait