i see a lot of indian and other south asian player come and gone in T3-T4 tournaments, checked on liquipedia.
they have a lot of these small tourneys eh? why don't they pursue to play in regular vcl?
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I kinda had this idea in a previous post, and when I saw the proportion of premier player in APAC, I think in the future it might be doable to have a 5th region Korea + Japan + Oceania have more premier team than EMEA (korea is actually top 1 by a huge margin before NA), a region with SEA, SA, MENA and maybe even either Russia or Turkey couldbe a thing, afterall we have to keep in mind that :
- Russia doesnt have a team
- MENA deosnt have a team
- India will grow and may need a 2nd at some point (And even a first), they already have more premier team than TR
- Oceania doesnt have a team
- Viet Nam doesnt have a team
- Germany doesnt (really) have a team
- Korea is the biggest T2 region before NA and have same number of premier team than BR that have (3 times less !)
- Faria want to reduce the number of franchied team for more ascended team, wish is not a problem in Americas and China since every T2 region have more than one team, so reducing the number of franchised team will not make a full region disappear from T1, while it's impossible to do so in APAC because we basically have 1 country = region, except for the 2 big mastodonte Japan and Korea (wish is impossible to reduce)
So yeah, they are so place for a 5th "Eurasian" region ! It's too early today, but my guess is that it may happen for 2031, when Riot will renew the franchise for the 2nd times
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Edit : In france we would love to have Magrehb in our T2 league, lot of our player have their root there, and we share a language wish is the most important for an efficient T2 league, (I would be curious to know how many Magrehbi are fan of KC)
Russia doesnt have a team
in doombros chat, I mention how EMEA missed out on kr1stal, at first he looks misinformed/confused/not remember who kr1stal was and when he open kr1stal vlr page he circle mouse hover the russian flag "yer but this an issue". I assume current russian players in VCT EMEA have overcome the VISA issue, but looks like upcoming russian will have complicated VISA issue coming to EMEA in which solution is best to join pacific/china teams. Russians joining "west asia" teams can be a solution.
MENA deosnt have a team
Falcons, The Ultimates , R8 (Saudi org with 3 russian essentially russian team)
India
India in SA is fine, but putting them against SEA/EA teams in ascension is 1 step too much, would benefit to be in the "west asia" scene first before making step in Pacific Ascension
Oceania
this one is tough cause geographical location, early in 2021 OCE was allocated in NA + US VISA issue in LCQ (i think). Team PWR was rejected in initial partnership application cause they never field a valorant team. In 2026 closer to 2027/28 partnership 2.0 selection OCE could get a VCT slot if region develop enough in upcoming years.
Vietnam
Only fancy united and Rapid Lofi, but again going up against entire Asia for 1 slot in ascension is tough.
Germany
Only CGN Esports..... G2 is well....
Faria want to reduce the number of franchied team for more ascended team
North America and China wouldn't run into VISA issues if ascended, but with extended season calendar, could see South Americans with visa issues. Leo Faria said before ascension venue can't be in NA cause BR ascension team would need 6 months of VISA for competition work travel to US.
Jemkin and Xccurate needed 3 months to get their VISA to Korea. 2023 GE, SKrossi and LF needed 7 months wait visa before they can enter korea for split 1 to play their 1st game in April.
KR tier 2 teams benefit heavily because they can scrim VCT teams with low ping with some KR players can even branch out to JP team for more opportunity as well, so they have more advantage geographically. APAC have the population and diversity, so the whole 1 country = 1 region is just a matter of "survival of the fittest" to get to Tier 1.
for germany, we have great orgs (Mouz, Eintracht Frankfurt, Fokus, Alternate Attax, Xperion NXT) and the german players are also getting better and better (for example Eintrach Frankfurt is fielding a full german roster with success -> beating Fokus) CGN is also a good org but there r actually better ones
just noticed u edit your post instead of replying. 5th Eurasian Region is BAD IDEA.
- International allocation team is going to be a nightmare with 5 region.
- its not 2031, from the original partnership plan that valorant already "altered", 2028 will be the final year of partnership 1.0 meaning RIOT will/already considering team selection 2.0 in 2027. If its gonna be another 6/7 year plan, its gonna 2033/34.
I edited before going to sleep and before your post I think.
"Merge Central Asia, Middle East and South Asia as "West Asia" to build a competitive region in which all 3 can use to develop talent."
Wait, so, this was for T2 ??? Not fot T1 ??? Well, now I strongly disagree with that, and I dont see any argument in that direction, India have more team than Turkey.
"its not 2031, from the original partnership plan that valorant already "altered", 2028 will be the final year of partnership 1.0 meaning RIOT will/already considering team selection 2.0 in 2027. If its gonna be another 6/7 year plan, its gonna 2033/34."
I never read that anywhere ? Where did you saw that T.T ? (2033 is still okay for that, 2 more year to plan that is doable)
U don’t see the issue of having a 5th region? U want multiples of 5 in masters/champs? The implication of international spot and groups in masters/champs gonna be complicated.
When partnership first announced, the ascension amount of slots going up to VCT 11 teams for 2024 12 teams for 2025 etc. The roadmap of the partnership was planned till 2028. Now ascension teams no longer have 2 year of staying in VCT with introduction of relegation making playoff etc.
If you want to qualify 2 team it's easier to do a tournament with 10 group, than with 12 (Double elimination format is better with 10 team than with 12, because every win matter in 10 wish isnt the case in 12, where winner of round 1 face looser of round 1 got a bye), if you want to qualify 3 teams, then it's kinda easy, just automatically qualify the team that won master, if you want to qualify 4 teams, then you can either to the same system that we use for the group of 5, or make Round robin with 5 team like rugby does
"The roadmap of the partnership was planned till 2028."
And got destroyed XD, I'm not sure what is your point on that
It means partnership team selection “founders and ascension” 1.0 is planned until 2028. All VCT players will be free agent by end of 2028 and new 10 permanent teams will be selected as partnership 2.0 in 2029. What got altered was the amount of ascension teams promoted to VCT. 2 teams was supposed to be promoted after 2 season in 2025 making 14 teams in VCT. New rule prevented it instead only having 12 teams till 2028. That’s why acend CEO got upset and disband the valo roster.
Vcl? Many indian pros can't even reach radiant. As my goat SKRossi said that indian pros don't even grind ranked, they are happy with their high salaries, which are more than average south east asian salaries( ig thats why many Australian and SEA players play atleast once in south asian orgs). It's like they are happy with them playing in tier 3 and getting a pay for that.
Bro , uni in South east asia and east asia is the same. Despite what propaganda tell you. Studying from 7 am to 10 pm is a worldwide phenomenon.(Or atleast east+south east asian phenomenon too)
None of the pros go to uni. None of the players in tier 1 come from collage(iirc for all league). Its really is not a collagiagte problem.
yea i kinda agree. uni and school isn't a problem if you really wanna pursue being a pro.
example: frostmind. i'd say he's a successful semi-pro by having a lot experience playing in a lot of team, but he still finished his college and while playing in VCL. although his career in val scene wasn't really the best, he can still pick another job because he graduated and a smart guy. so, really can't complain about that.
SA and SEA is the same, however the uni hours in NA/EMEA are generally shorter(some STEM degrees are fucked), and more flexible(class timings can be picked and chosen, you get to build your own schedule).
Why would people look towards an unconventional system in India, when the conventional pipeline to success exists(our opinions on how good those pipelines are aside).
And collegiate has been successful in NA, players like Jakee have come from collegiate. Half of t2 is in/was in collegiate (a lot of the unsigned teams contain collegiate players/cores).
The collegiate pipeline is important not because it will necessarily produce the best players, but because that competitive playerbase provides good competition. The issue is that a lot of the comp players rn in the new gen come from middle to upper middle class backgrounds, and they will just tend to stick to the uni path(typically going overseas if possible). Any people interested from lower middle class are involved in mobile esports, not pc esports.
Cannot generalize here, I only had 3-4 hours of lectures per day in college in one of the most intensive BTech degrees in India. Of course I am not counting assignments and quizzes and exams but you could get away with just copying assignments, and quizzes/exams are tough but still if you study its hard to fail. But yeah, you could easily grind valorant 6-8 hours a day if you really wanted to. Also, we also got to pick our class timings and schedule, I picked all afternoon classes just to sleep in late in the day. You can do that in India as well. Just don't go into one of the bottom feeder colleges.
Most BCom and BA and BSc degrees aren't even half as intensive as BTech degrees in top colleges in India. I see people riding around in scootys and bikes doing nothing.
One of my batchmates even became immortal and played in the South Asian league upto round of 64 or 32 if I remember correctly. However he just played for fun and not seriously (He already had a pretty good and stable job offer overseas in Japan). He still plays valorant in high ascendant-low immortal in Japan to this day, for fun ofc.
Let's just face it. Indians have the worst work ethic when it comes to passionate professions. We are really really good in engineering, management, medicine, law but any profession where mediocrity is not sustainable and you must be the best in the world, we just topple.
There will always be a few exceptions and you do see good Indian talent popping up sometimes but for now atleast it seems like there won't be enough to make a team of 5 in valorant. Cricket for example just gets so many people in raw numbers who are interested that you can usually make a team of 11 S+ tier players.
Also buddy college is not the starting point for esports, most top tier players are grinding some sort of FPS game since they were 10 or 13. But usually before the age of 15. In case of eSports, 22 is considered to be retirement age for many. So by the time you graduate, its already time for you to retire.
Most colleges are "bottom feeder colleges" no? You have to take the average college. What I mean is in the sense that even if you have only 3-4 hours of lectures per day, you're not doing it back to back so you're spending 6ish hours atleast on campus, and you're doing it every day. I am aware of how intensive(or lack thereof) the other degrees are, but it's time burned on campus regardless.
not going to comment on the work ethic of passion professions, although I will agree it's never given priority from the top down.
the cracked players that can make it in high school will already be making waves in the vcl qualifiers/directly qualifying to VCL. The point is the vast majority of players don't make it. Collegiate is a system that can sustain them. Collegiate esports is the future, look at the way it's setup in NA(likely will never get to this point in India unfortunately). Not sure on how EMEA does it. The reason it works is that if you join college after school, your first two years of uni are relatively stable, you can find time to compete(18-20).
1) Please don't waste money on bottom feeder colleges, those 3-4 years are worthless and probably just spend that fees money to start a stable business or spend time doing programming by yourself if it is an engineering degree.
2) Most decent colleges in India have boarding. My hostel was quite literally 50m from lecture halls and 300m from labs. The same is true for most decent colleges. Also even 6 hours is not bad at all for college.
3) Collegiate systems exist in India (Look up SRM and other private unis) which offer admissions based on eSports. I don't think a single one of those guys has even reached top 32 in any eSport in India. Even in NA, Collegiate teams have not produced any notable talent. I also don't remember the last time collegiate teams made it to top 8 in NA.
Infact, the collegiate scene is so bad that Redbull hosts campus clutch separately (just like game changers). For these teams and it sees significant participation from India and Pakistan.
EMEA, SEA, KR, CN continue to produce top tier talent without any collegiate system. It's a system that has not produced a single T1 player of notable mention.
Unless you train the kids to be good at the game and develop an environment where competition and being the best is the goal, you will never see good talent from SA. College and school are just obstacles. People can be world class cricket players while studying in school and college but cannot happen in eSports? I highly doubt it.
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