I don't like the idea of Tejo in Kick-off

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Denjisideals

"For further context on allowing Tejo in competitive play, our goal is for the sport to feature the exact version of the game that everyone can play, as closely as possible. To mitigate the disruption to teams, we gave teams an advance notice in early Dec. that a new agent would be unlocked in Kickoff (this is when we also shared the competitive map pool for Kickoff). Then, early access was granted to all pros on Jan. 6 so they could test and practice Tejo before he is publicly released. The solution is definitely not perfect, but it’s not like teams are finding out about and trying out Tejo at the same time as everyone else."

Jake Sin says the pros got early access on 6th, while they were given notification about new agent in December
This may sound in his words, "slightly better", I don't see how it is.
For one, letting pro teams know in December makes no difference as it's the same thing we knew. That an agent is about to come and he is an Initiator. Don't see how this helps.

In my opinion, the teams should have been given time till atleast Bangkok or even Kickoff playoffs for them to actually understand and form a stratbook on the agent. Considering how cracked this agent is in terms of post plant, this will be a race of whose gamble on the agent works faster.

5 days is just not enough time for an agent. I don't see how an entire corporation and not one person thought of this and even if they did, took no step in prevention or getting a better solution like releasing the agent few weeks before.

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About to see some of the most repetitive gameplay ever

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Denjisideals

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Watch a random team absolutely abuse this agent and do some crazy damage and then completely fall off once he is patched.

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That's the fun part. The randomness

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They just want Kickoffs to be new and exciting but 1st Masters will always be a joke because of it. Jake Sin don't care about pro gameplay, its all about viewership and money.

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Chill. Every team has 5 days so it's fair, games can be chaotic but it's only funny factor for the season start

Team implemented new strategies faster? Good, they should win event, clearly they are better

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Problem is that, the second the other teams catch up, the teams which win only based on absolutely abusing Tejo will fall off and it won't be pretty.
People atleast had time to prepare for Neon.

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That's on them for not adapting then lol. A team that wins off "abusing" an agent better than other teams deserves to win, and if they can't adapt after that agent is no longer "abusable", then they won't be able to win and that's fine. Idk why everyone complains about stuff like this like not all the teams can play the agent or something. It's on the pros to be creative and see where he can fit in comps.

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It's still preparation time
Imagine this
You have prepared certain comps for the entire off season
Now you scrap all that and make new ones in 5 days
It's like it you study for an exam all year and the week before the exam they add a chapter which has a huge portion of the marks

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Once again, ALL the teams are going to have this "problem", so it effectively isn't unfair anymore. If a team is able to implement the new agent in a way that helps them win with short notice, how does that discredit their win/the event? They were able to adapt their comps faster than the others, who once again also have the choice to try to adapt or just go with what they practiced.

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Thats why teams who ONLY use new agents of 5 days practice and moves ahead of other teams to 1st Masters = Fucking joke.
Pro teams should have at least 30 full days to practice with the new agent instead just a clown fest during Kickoffs with whoever uses the new agent best for only 5 days of practice.
Everyone practiced a good amount without Tejo, and then a team who found the best way to abuse Tejo comes in and ascends to Masters. Thats not professional, just clown play. There's no real skill to show. Hence why 1st Masters is Mickey. The fuck is 5 days of practice worth? It's a joke. Rather more fair for everyone if no one plays the agent for Kickoffs then implement Tejo afterwards in matches.

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So a team being the fastest to discover a way to utilize the new agent = no skill. I'd actually argue that takes as high of skill than anything else. You can literally look at the flip side argument, a team that decides they want to play tejo only has 5 DAYS to practice him. So if a team decides it's worth it and is able to actually have success with it, how exactly is that a "joke" and "no skill"?

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"So a team being the fastest to discover a way to utilize the new agent = no skill."
5 days of practice = high skill to you?

Teams right now still haven't mastered Vyse, Deadlock, Clove in their comps and in meta since they've been out. Make it make sense.

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YES, if you're able to beat teams that have been practicing for MONTHS because you innovated the meta faster than anyone else, no matter how many days' notice, that literally takes skill? And it's not that teams haven't mastered those agents, it's that most teams think they have better comps without those agents. Bottom line is, a team playing an agent on 5 days notice is a RISK, and if that risk pays off and they beat the standard comps that teams have practiced for months, you're telling me that it isn't a serious win? If so, then no need to continue this.

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I agree with the reward for the risk, and yes there's skill involved in that as well. But lets per say Tejo is overpowered. A certain team wins Kickoffs with it and advances to Masters and eventually wins it. They won with that huge advantage as they deserve.
After that Stage 2 and Masters 2 other teams have caught up to the comp along with the new agent Tejo and destroyed that team who won Masters 1. In fact, that team who won Masters 1 just fell off in Stage 2 and didn't even advance to Masters 2, or Champions.
You still value Kickoffs and Masters 1 winning team because they abused the new agent better than other teams at the start of the year?
I end my case here, but I do know where you're coming from.

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But why does it suddenly change from "How do we make the most optimal strat" to "how do we abuse Tejo the most?"

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dont usually when a new agent releases u have to wait like 2 weeks or 3 weeks before its allowed in pro play
idk why they changed it for tejo

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Denjisideals

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It usually is, it was same for Clove and VYSE iirc, don't know what changed.

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My guess is that there was Delay from the Devs side in giving the final tweaks to Tejo's kit. So, they delayed the launch

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Not gonna lie, might get some hate for this, but vct's commissioners aren't after actual tier 1 competition, they are just after the clout. Double round robin can be done for regional leagues, masters 1 and 2 can easily get 16 teams in with champs being 24. In my opinion VCT needs actual competitive changes, 3 year contracts for teams instead of 4, double round robin (each team faces each other twice for the region). This Tejo change basically gives some teams a "get into international and then get exposed when he is fixed card"

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Denjisideals

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You won't get hate
This is what people believe
Still don't know why they do double round robin for League but can't do it for Valorant

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Like it's fucking crazy that Valve have started giving more fuck about their two games and meanwhile Riot are for some reason dodging giving val the same treatment as for lol

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where are the stakes if you want half the region to qualify for champs, literally doesn't make sense
no reward for performance if mediocre middle of the pack teams are going to qualify

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Denjisideals

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I do believe the international are good as they are but we need more regional matches
Teams will be just fine playing 2 games a week

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Also true, I see two aspects to this, either "number of teams at international gets smaller with each international" or "number of teams at international gets bigger but mediocre teams run a swiss system before that"

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Shadow_Monarch

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Absolutely true.

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Galactc

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Hot take but with their plan to release the agent now this was the only time allowing him at bangkok but not kickoff would be way worse and waiting until stage 1 doesn't make sense

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Anzaldinho

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"I don't like the Idea of Train in IEM Katowice" ahh take

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shaq_attaqr

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train's been out for months though, only reason it's controversial at all is because some pros say train is not competitive as it is now

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Anzaldinho

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those pros might be true
new train feels more puggy than mirage

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shaq_attaqr

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people cope about this stuff by saying shit like "all teams have the same amount of time" or "this will test how quickly teams can adapt" when the issue is that the level of valorant will simply be lower than if tejo wasn't playable. I don't really care which team is the fastest to find/abuse a new meta every 3 months only to fall off as soon as people have time to antistrat them (like kc 2024), I wanna see teams have complete and refined playbooks and spend the year perfecting them. All these changes do is lower the rate at which the overall level of valorant rises because teams have less time to spend on improving the fundamentals

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Shadow_Monarch

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Exactly. 100%

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w1atrak

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Okay but I don't think the same way