Goat of Every Agent

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tteokbokki

Duelist
Jett - aspas
Raze - JAWGEMO
Yoru - Meteor
Reyna - something
Iso - Alfajer
Neon - ZmjjKK
Phoenix - Jinggg

Initiator
Sova - Sacy
Fade - Leo
Skye - Ethan
KAY/O - Ethan
Gekko - Sacy
Breach - Ethan

Controller
Omen - MaKo
Brimstone - Demon1
Harbor - f0rsakeN
Astra - Karon
Clove - Smoggy
Viper - Less

Sentinel
Killjoy - Alfajer
Cypher - johnqt
Sage - Jinggg
Chamber - yay
Deadlock - Mazino

i have my reasons for each ask if need

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sova- leo. no other narrative will be accepted

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Leo is very good on sova but i gave it to sova because Sacy was just as good and has proven to be one of the best sovas, but it could go either way.
I think way too many of you forget how good Leo's fade was during tokyo he won without playing sova once and they were just shredding during FNATIC's dominance era

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yeah i never asked you to change leo's fade
for your argument, my counterpoint is you called sacy one of the best sovas while everyone calls leo the BEST sova

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Siigma777

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even Chronicle's sova is better imo

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if chronicles sova was really better then don’t you think they’d run it on maps like sunset or even haven back in 2023? leo is the primary sova player for a reason

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Siigma777

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did you not watch the last half year of fnc? chron was borderline running sova exclusively. Of course Leo is the better sova but chron is still fantastic. not his fault he's the scottie pippen to Leo's MJ on Sova. this is no hate on sacy of course, I think he's a better geeko than sova though.

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wtf? give me whatever you are on because there is NO way that chronicle's sova is better than leo's. it isnt even close. and wasn't chronicle only playing sova because leo was inactive? why did you even suggest in #68 that chronicle's sova is better than sacy's or leo's? there is no way it can be better.

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Siigma777

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you need to learn how to read. I literally said "Of course Leo is the better sova".

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Aayan

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fair enough, but the way you phrased #68 kinda made it seem like you were comparing it to Leo

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Siigma777

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yah no my bad, Leo is the best Sova, Chron's is better than Sacy's

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Aayan

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imo Meteor's Cypher is better
Also (maybe I'm biased) but I think Derke had a better Yoru

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idkmanwth

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also i would put benjy on killjoy

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tteokbokki

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cant do so if benjy hasnt had a mvp year yet and 2 trophies

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idkmanwth

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he was byfar the best kj of this year

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tteokbokki

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not all time though, think all time buddy boy

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idkmanwth

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then how is johnqt the best all time cypher and jawgemo the best all time raze wtf

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tteokbokki

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can you tell me whos a better raze than jawg?

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idkmanwth

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derke, jinggg, aspas all have a higher rating on raze than jawg (all time)

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tteokbokki

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fuck the rating use ur head when you see them play. JAWGEMO is a X factor player

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idkmanwth

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so are all three lmfao, derke and aspas are bigger x factors than jawgemo

continue thread →

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kapteN

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Recency bias.

Best raze if you look across the history of valorant is Derke and there should be no question about it. Consistently among the top of every tournament he played as raze since near the start of valorant.

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catNmouse

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disagree, meteor had the better KJ this year. i’d put him for cypher though

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tteokbokki

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nAts cypher play is very outdated and johnqt's playstyle mogs him still good choice though

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Aayan

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I agree with JQT > Meteor if you're looking at him as a player (IGL, fragger) but if you look at it only from an agent util/impact standpoint I think JQT is like a 7/10 and Meteor is a 9/10

maybe that's just me tho

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tteokbokki

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no matter what they both provide immense impact for their teams but Meteor was also a killjoy and yoru flexer

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Warlordwibz

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Yoru, I'd say f0rsakeN.
Kayo - stax
breach - s1mon

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tteokbokki

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surely its ethan for kayo idk what stax has done to give him best kayo

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ethan and stax plays same agent. Stax kayo pre much praised by pacific coaches in the VCT Pacific video. I see Ethan more of skye player.

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tteokbokki

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If you dont think Ethan is a kayo player go watch the vct games

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Warlordwibz

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can't watch VCT americas cause 4am, but look forward to seeing Ethan's Kayo in masters/champs next year tho. His offseason kayo seems similar to stax both recent and all time, only s1mon recent is better but again its ALL time.

Basically ethan and stax kayo are very similar and arguments can be made for both which is better. I just watch pacific more cause timezone.

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Taruuu1

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kayo is Ethan lol no debate

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kapteN

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brother your own thread is called "GOAT of every agent"

GOAT = greatest of all time
therefore calling nAts cypher play "outdated" defeats the purpose of your own thread.

Nobody in the history of valorant has been as impactful for his team and on the game on cypher as nAts. Making the point that his style may currently be or not be outdated does not belong in this conversation.

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tteokbokki

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Derkes yoru is good but he FNATIC was not dominating at the time so he was good but not much value with the results they got at that time. Meteor won a trophy and shown superior dominance with japanese man

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Aayan

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~~ok yeah the discrepancy between results is valid in this case, I'll concede~~
actually I take it back I stand by my next statement.
I do wanna mention that results aren't always the best measure in general though, you could have the best player itw but at the end of the day it's a 5v5 game

Also as others have mentioned Meteor's Yoru was used very sparingly

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tteokbokki

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Derkes yoru was good dont get me wrong but i cant give it to him if Meteor genuinely was the better yoru of the year

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Warlordwibz

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surely Cypher nats

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Kayo : S1mon
Cypher : Meteor/Verno

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tteokbokki

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S1Mon best flash initiator at this time > Ethan best flash initiator all time

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tteokbokki

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did he just say Verno chat

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Doogle

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Hey yo, Raze is for Jing leave it ASAP

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tteokbokki

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Does Jinggg have a champions trophy

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smthlikeyou11

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trophies are team achievements....not exactly the best way to compare when ur comparing player to player ESPECIALLY when ur comparing agent to agent and their util usage on the agent...
if ur comparing two players and their mastery of their agent and not their achievements jing is better

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tteokbokki

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Jinggg can bounce around and get kills cool jawg can do the same exact thing just better oh with a champions trophy

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Doogle

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then mention only player with Trophy hahaha

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smthlikeyou11

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i wouldnt say skye is ethan all time tbh...
dont think the all time goat of an agent should have a 0.99 rating on the agent and a 0.97KD
both rating and KD arent even 1

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tteokbokki

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tell me who is the GOAT skye whos better than Ethan

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smthlikeyou11

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as much as i hate to say it crashies

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tteokbokki

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what the f*ck

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smthlikeyou11

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hes washed asfk now and im not a big fan of the guy but lets not js forget optic crashies

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kapteN

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Don't argue with this guy, he doesn't understand the title of his own thread.

GOAT = greatest of ALL TIME.

Not just whoever happens to be good currently. Dude has massive recency bias

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he called derke a system duelist 😂

i’m sure the guy who was a top 5 player at every champs event (except 2023, he was still good though) is a system duelist

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starxo

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Taruuu1

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Meteor plays Yoru on like one map

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tteokbokki

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dont see anybody else playing yoru on every map

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Taruuu1

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no but there are players that play Yoru alot more and on more maps

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tteokbokki

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like who, derke

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f0rsaken, he played yoru in bind, lotus, breeze, ascent, split and haven

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Derke and f0rsaken

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Prathades

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Bro really said Meteor has the best Yoru when he only ever used them 6x this whole year which totaled 140+ rounds out of 200 lifetime round and half of those times he went negative.

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tteokbokki

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negative doesnt mean he had no impact

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That would be the case if he did have an impact, for example against Fnatic. He didn't do anything that determined who would win the round, he did do his job by trading or flashing but not once did he do something that won them the round. He didn't clutch and he wasn't even the entry duelist since most of the time texture was the first to enter, yet he died first the most because he was trying to get a flash angle. If Texture didn't go crazy during the attack side then they would have lost and gone to the lower bracket playing against heretics.

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Taruuu1

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thats kinda braindead, Meteors Yoru was a vital to Gen.Gs success

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Prathades

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they didn't even use yoru until they lost against rrq yoru comp on breeze which they took the inspiration from. They mostly used Yoru on Breeze and in the whole year they only played Breeze 3 times on the international stage year 2024 and for 2 of those the Yoru didn't have any Kast above 65% and almost no impact during defense but got carried by texture during attack

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VYSE IS INSPIRE FFS

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Goat means "Greatest of all time" not whoever is best as of right now or outdated, this feels biased for more recent results
Raze should go to jingg or aspas
Yoru should be tenz or derke
Omen should go to marvel or tenz or pancada
Jett should go to tenz, demon1, or aspas
Reyna could also go to tenz or something
Viper should be Nats fs
Cypher also nats
Astra is boaster
Kayo "could" go to saadhak but I fw the Ethan pick
Killjoy could go to fns or meteor imo
S1mon could get breach too

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tone it down with TenZ and I broadly agree with you
Omen mako is valid though, no need to change that imo

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I don't think tenz yoru is better than derkes
Or his Omen better than marved, I just said his name because it's better than the other people mentioned imo
Tenz put yoru on the map for vct I felt only right he's atleast top 3

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Taruuu1

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i feel like ur going a littleeeee far back

greatest of all time should value consistency over years but also winning events matters a lot too

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elysxxm

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Only person I named that didn't win an event was jingg and he is still the undisputed goat of Raze I think

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Jawgemo diffed j0nggg at Champs finals.

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elysxxm

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Jawgemo got diffed by 2024 loud😭

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catNmouse

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jingg got diffed by icy two times

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Icy also got diffed by 2024 loud lmao

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Fade- Shao
Sova-Leo
KAY/O-Sheydos
Reyna-Sheydos
Sage-Sheydos

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yoru - eggsterr

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In terms of agent mastery I’d definitely change some of these. The switches don’t necessarily have as high accolades but they’ve shown extreme examples of how to push agents beyond their intended niche.

Yoru: Ethan (Hybrid Entry and Initiator)
Sova: c0m (Lurk Initiator)
Skye: JonahP (Bird Manipulation)
Breach: Cauanzin
Cypher: Meteor

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what would you put for cauanzin and meteor?

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Cauanzin has shown hints of greatness and that Loud Comp from Kickoff/Madrid heavily relied on his performances in Breach.

I suppose he isn’t necessarily better than either JonahP or Ethan but I don’t think anyone has that dominant lead if we’re strictly talking agent mastery and not accolades. I just think he deserves recognition for running it on non-meta maps.

Meteor is just different. I know he hasn’t played as much Cypher compared to Benjy or Johnqt but he sprinkles in a lot of his duelists tendencies with mixups that you wouldn’t expect from a cypher. He’ll switch from hard anchoring to proactive fighting on offbeats, disrupting utility cycles and collecting multifrags. It’s very different from the traditional playstyle.

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fair enough on cauanzin, meteor to me has shined more on KJ and he does everything you mentioned but on her instead

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Yeah, it’s possible I’m pulling from my memories of his KJ play but he’s just a different style of Sentinel player. Hoping that Yay and N4rrate take inspiration from that — I know Verno already is.

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Derke - Yoru
Meteor - Cypher
Sova - Riens
Breach - Leo
Brimstone - Cryo
Phoenix - Scream fs

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Putting j0ngg over scream for phoenix is crazy lmao