Game Changers Question

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dino_brains

Can trans men compete in Game Changers or do they have to play in the men's league? Not hate, genuinely curious, just couldn't find an answer on my own

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chloeburbank

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trans men (ftm) cannot play gc afaik

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SigmaMale

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Wait that's weird

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kailikesushi

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its not weird. trans men are men. trans women are women. gc is for women and marginalized groups so essentially anyone who doesn't identify as a man. trans men are men so they cant play gamechangers. trans women are women so they can play for game changers. nonbinary people fit under the umbrella of marginalized groups and also the trans umbrella. its not hard to understand. people don't just wake up and decide to be a certain gender, it's their entire life and being.

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thatpower

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wait so trans men aren't considered a marginalized group?

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kailikesushi

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they are. but in the case of esports they are not. they are men. men gets the upper hand in esports. so in the case of esports and gamechangers they are not. this isnt to belittle the experiences they face in the world of course but its just to highlight that trans men are men and they are offered more opportunities in esports compared to anyone who isnt a man.

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SigmaMale

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Lol lmao

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namzelor

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lets see how long mods take to delete this thread...

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babi

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one year later .. . .

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So trans mens are men, so if a woman considered herself as a man she Is not marginalized, so if we created a league where everyone is considered as a man, everyone can participate and then no one will be marginalized
Maybe can be named "Valorant Champions Tour"

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genius

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kanyefan4238173

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answered an honest question correctly just to be downfragged 💔

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JustHunterM8

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"people don't just wake up and decide to be a certain gender"
That's literally what the majority of trans people today are doing... Deciding their gender

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cloudberry

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Sir this thread is from April '23

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asdfgh

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so men who identify as women can play but women who identify as men cant lmfaoo,that doesnt make any sense

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Cresp

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Well women identify as men are just men no way around it especially if riot considers men who identify as women as women. There would be no logic otherwise

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asdfgh

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how are women who identify as men just men?? Every single time ive asked i have gotten the answer that game changers was made for all "marginalized genders"

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Cresp

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Because riot considers trans women same as cis women so riot would have to consider trans men same as cis men. I think its wierd imo if non-binary players can compete than everyone except cis men should be able to compete.

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Riot sees Trans women as women, so they see trans men as men. Men cant join GC so following that logic trans men cannot either. Its an intresting question wether trans men should be considered as a "marginalised groups" but riot see them as men it which is understandable. The "marginalised groups" riot accepts in GC are the non-binary folk.

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Mortadelo

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The people who identify as women can play in the women league and the people who identify as men can't play in the women league. How does that not make sense?

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dino_brains

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Thanks for the answer, appreciate it

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Mortadelo

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Nope, they can't. It is interesting tho, people rarely things of the opposite case

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kirrans

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i thought game changers was to support marginalised genders? is there any reason trans men can't compete?

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Mortadelo

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Game changers is to support the marginalized gender in esports that are women. A trans man is not a woman

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JustHunterM8

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A trans woman is more of a woman than a trans man is, this is society's logic of today and it's amazing the west hasn't already fallen into anarchy and failed.

I know there are actual trans people that would be more of whatever gender they identify as but the fact is majority arent

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kailikesushi

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bc trans men are men. men dominate the esports scene. gc is all about changing the norm hence the name game changers so that's why gc is for everyone except cisgender men. this is why you cant argue the case for gay men or black men or any other marginalized group under men because all of those people are still men at the end of the day. yes they are gay but they still identify as a man, yes they are black but they are still a man. so although it might be a tad harder to get into esports bc of that its still 10 times as harder to get into esports as it is for anyone not a man

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i— they’re men, so they’d compete in the men’s league. trans men are men and trans women are women how hard is this to understand bruh. marginalized genders includes people who don’t conform to the gender binary or exist in different facets of it than man or woman.

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asdfgh

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copium,what if they feel more comfortable in game changers

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JustHunterM8

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But how is it that a trans man isn't marginalized but trans women are?
It's fact that they just aren't the same as actual women or men

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Fire737

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Bruh that’s so weird!

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404 coming

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dino_brains

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It was an honest question, but after reading the comments I wouldn't even blame the admins...

not really surprised about it tho

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yaiima0

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These threads never end well

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TheHowling02

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Game Changers 2023 Player Verification
You can use this form to get in the verification pool in order to participate in the Game Changers tournaments.

We remind you that the conditions to be elligible for Game Changers 2023 are the following ones:
-Teams must be composed of five women at least.
-Minimum rank is Platinum 1.
-Minimum age is 16 years old at the date of registration.
-EMEA Residency is required for at least 3 players from the active roster.

https://vctgcemea.valorantesports.com/verification

Trans men are not women so they cannot compete in GC.

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dino_brains

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Makes sense

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JustHunterM8

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Plat 1 minimum is diabolical

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my_fav_team_is_M3C

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LMFAOOO

8/8

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Moiraine

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I actually didnt even know that women that identify as men arent able to play GC

I have so many things to say that would get me banned. Let me just say one thing though, Riot is absolutely fucking braindamaged if they dont realize that women that identify as men are a marginalized group.

Pathetic actually, no words lmao

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Moiraine

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not interested
It's retarded that's what it is. No matter what anyone says. i'll leave it at that.

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TheHowling02

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lmao if your not intrested then stfu

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Moiraine

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Make me.Come here and make me stfu

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TheHowling02

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Send me your location and lets have the hotest sex of your life. I GUARENTEE you will not be able to formulate words after that (and not be able to walk either ;) <3 ).

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yaiima0

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sexual harizzment

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Moiraine

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This is peak cringe please never reply to me again.

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TheHowling02

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im not hearing no

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yaiima0

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ur wording a bit sussy fam**

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Moiraine

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Bro, i didnt even realize. My brain just doesn't sexualize everything, i'm sorry : (

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yaiima0

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No worries, means ur normal and not weird :p

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Mortadelo

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Why would the people who identify as men be allowed or even want to compete if they had the choice in a women league

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pumastone

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wait so women cannot compete in VCT leagues? as some of the comments seem to call it a mens league. i thought VCT was everyone no matter gender just if you were among the best??

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jackb2016

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Anyone can compete in.VCT given they are the age of 17

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dual000

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VCT is for all gender
But trans, non binary, and woman proplayers couldn't compete so they choose GC
the only exception is Flor

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BrotherMan

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Ya'll should ask these questions during a GC game, im sure a blue haired person has a reply

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canyon

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LMFAO

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ZhangWei

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These concepts and terms are so foreign to me. Is there any difference between the 2? Genuinely curious

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brobeans

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bump!

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tuffybass

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wild how everyone can compete in VCT, yet there is a league run by riot that discriminates people by sex

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Saiki_T

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Let it go bro