Critical Thinking GC Question

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guuz

Honest question, where should trans players compete if it were up to you? Trans-men in GC and trans-women in VCT? The reverse for those who've started hormone therapy?

I don't see a better solution right now than to lump everyone who's not a cishet man into GC, since many of the best GC players are denied trials by VCT and top-tier-2 teams anyway. And it only makes this imperfect situation worse when people keep bringing up ~research~ on reaction times - all of these players in GC, regardless of their identities, have grown up playing fps for years, they're a self-selecting group.

Fragmenting the scene into cishet mens league, then cishet womens, then etc. would be incredibly toxic and also ruin the entire point of GC, which is give exposure to all of these marginalized groups. Really frustrating to see all these hate threads of people who think all humans are just Man, Woman, or their murky world of "trans" where they lump every single marginalized identity.

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Smartest_Fan

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Asking good question in vlr is crime

You are under arrest

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marika_knows_the_end

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Smartest_Fan plz stop saying smart things today and go back to baiting for downvotes

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Smartest_Fan

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Thanks Marika for the support

Hop off the SR fan

Let's protest?!

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Saik8

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Bro really wants those stars😭

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Smartest_Fan

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Self upvoting is crazy

It seems you are more desperate than me

Also flair up buddy

No flair in vlr is equivalent to n*ked in irl

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Saik8

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My fans are upvoting me

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Smartest_Fan

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Man wear some flair buddy

I cannot see you like this oh man 🤢🤢

Ladies leave the thread asap

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guuz

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It's such a shitty situation for everyone in GC...

Like take SR this year. If they win grand finals, two million people in vlr are going to shit on flor for being trans and smurfing (ridiculous). If they lose, they shit on flor anyway for failing in GC-tier as a man (ridiculous) and also probably shit on the MIBR players. And regardless of outcome, not a single one of these players at GC champs is going to get trialed for VCT because the Tier 1 sphere wants to recycle the same players season after season (cishet male talent in tier 2 is already being overlooked because of this same reason)

so dumb...

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Tf are you talking about? Tons of T2 players are being brought up into T1. Fnatic dropped Derke for Kaajak, C9 dropped Vanity for v1c, NRG dropped crashies/victor for Verno/Mada etc.

Also, the reason GC players aren't getting trials for T1/T2 teams is because they're T4 players who can't make it past unpaid T3 pugstacks in open quals. So why tf would T1/T2 teams waste their time?

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:D

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AlexSMTx

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calm down guuz, ur making way too much sense. U might anger the hating mob. But truth is many people hate on GC for not making it a women's only league, but those same people never make a decent argument for a solution 😶

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i agree for their inclusion within GC, but this is a strawman arugment. people who don't support non-conformers are generally proponents of the gender binary and thus don't need to make a solution based on their truth. their "solution" is to simply have a woman's league.

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In doing so women will never have their own league but they don't have a problem with it I've heard so you're right

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calImegod

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Bro all players can compete in T1. Chet said it on stream. Coaches makes the teams so he 100% knows what he's talking about.

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G2thelion

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People act like a team would say no to a female when shes one one of the best in the whole region/world
They're just not good enough (yet)

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LvL10GYATT

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They can play T1 they are just to bad to play T1

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AlexSMTx

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Say less, I'm trialing for PRX tomorrow 🥵

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guuz

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I'm thinking more of how players like mel have been denied trials specifically for not being cishet men, as well as logistics like flor not being able to trial for MxS due to roster lock deadlines coinciding with GC circuit.

All of this according to Sean Gares, and I think he 100% knows what he's talking about.

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Hynix

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1st is cuz mel is bad.
2nd is nobody's fault

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dUDEX

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Riot should just force 1 woman or trans on each team.

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Harapan845

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that would make the problem 10x worse

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AlexSMTx

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Exactly, that's a terrible idea and would just increase hate to upcoming GC players.

Imagine the team does badly, we all know everyone would point fingers at the player that was forced in by riot. Plus, forcing someone in that might not even deserve a spot in Tier 1 is just throwing them to the wolves.

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Harapan845

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also it would make the male players resentful towards the players forced into the team

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delte

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bobwoblob

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"many of the best GC players are denied trials by VCT and top-tier-2 teams anyway."

Why should T1/T2 teams waste their time trialing T4 GC players lmao. T1/T2 teams don't have infinite time to trial every random T4 player.

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Harapan845

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im pretty sure meL got trialed by a team

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bobwoblob

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Ages ago maybe when meL was getting ultra hyped up.

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Harapan845

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still "wasted" their time on her when she was prob worse

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bobwoblob

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I mean, ya they did? I'm sure teams have learned their lesson at this point and have much better talent scouting.

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Harapan845

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you do know that gcc lines up almost exactly with when they would trial players

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edenhim

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i think they need 1 more for these category so VCT (Men) GC (Women) Marginalized or something (Transwhatever)

edit: let riot do some mixed tournament too so we get more tournament

riot sign me pls

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Harapan845

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you know everyone can play in vct

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edenhim

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wait really, i dont think ive ever seen trans or women in vct though

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Harapan845

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well thats why gc exists

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Harapan845

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to provide these people the ability to get better and someday have coed vct rosters

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Hynix

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it's happened that none have reached that level yet, hopefully we will see them in the future