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PG_newt
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LANatraa

#3
turkey
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he sounded kinda sarcastic ngl it’s something zombs would do

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PG_newt
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yeah thats what i was thinking but we dont know for sure

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rohooster
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yeah Zombs just has a dry form of humor check out the "5 questions with Zombs" thing

https://twitter.com/valesports_na/status/1385284838035361795

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ShiningTyGuy
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I don't think has trolling. Tenz loan was only extended thru challenger finals. If sentinels knew they were going to need tenz for Iceland they would have most likely just worked out a longer extension. This is an assumption but I feel like Riot and Sentinels have already finished their investigation on Sinatraaa and just haven't made it public yet to limit the distractions and external noise the team would have to deal with while playing in challengers 2 and challengers finals.

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mattgg2015
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loan was extended only till challengers final cuz SEN didnt wanna pay for an extra month if they didnt qual

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Emixx
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that could be the case but i think the reason for tenZ loan (ending after challengers finals) just in case the didn't make it to Iceland (that would cost them a lot) and if they did qualify they would loan him again.

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his loan is always going to be until a particular series. SEN can't be paying for periods in which they don't know if they are even going to be playing. This has nothing to do with them knowing Sinatraa is going to be back. Plus C9 doesn't seem like they want to give up TenZ so the loan is def expensive af.

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ShiningTyGuy
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Ya that was dumb on my part. I still feel tho that sentinels and Riot have reached a decision with sinitraaa already and just haven't made it public yet to limit external distractions during Iceland qualifications.

#8
hiyo
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no fuck sinatraa + riot should ban that rapist for a long time <3

#9
jahsaun
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ur braindead

#10
plas
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ur braindead

#14
Mahj0ngMaster
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ur braindead

#11
Styx
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braindead, if he's proven to be not guilty. Then he is not guilty.............. simple

#12
beb0p
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chill

#13
plas
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chill

#16
anniemal
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you are completely right!. the braindead ones are that clearly forgetting that there was the audio clip as the evidence provided to the case, containing the gf not consenting to the intercourse, so he is a rapist and hope Riot would not risk having someone like that back especially that they had so many cases within their company that messed their reputation badlhy.

#17
Styx
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If the case sits infront of a court of law and the audio clip is used as evidence against sinatraa. If the judge and jury vote that sinatraa is innocent than there really isn’t much more to say. You can keep accusing but it’s not gonna change anything. You can call him a bad person yes, but he’s not a pedo/rapist if he wasn’t found guilty/charged.

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WitLitning
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I’ll say just one thing on this subject because I have an opinion but don’t want to be involved in another sinatraa war.

It’s very difficult to prove rape in a court of law, especially in America. So, sinatraa can be found not guilty in a legal sense but still be guilty in actuality. Or, of course, he could be innocent. That’s not what I choose to believe at this point, BUT, that’s my point. Don’t base your entire opinion on the decisions of a legal process - use your “game sense,” or gut feelings, too lol. Also, my belief that he’s at least somewhat guilty doesn’t condemn him. It’s just my opinion.

You seem to have a very rational grasp on the story, so this is more for our other forum members.

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anniemal
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You seem like such a good and kind soul and everyone that have you in their life are so extremely lucky.
Keep it up you amazing human being <3

#40
hiyo
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this is my reasoning-some large majority of rape cases do not ever get convicted(not false ones, mind you) but the US court system makes it extremely hard to prove rape in a legal structure. "Innocent until proven guilty" doesn't work in this context.

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Styx
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I’m not saying that rape or sexual harassment is in any way okay because it’s not. But when looking at facts and the legal process, if he is not found guilty than he is obviously not what they said he was.

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anniemal
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I understand what you mean but did you hear the clip btw? This clip proves at least one rape. You don't need a law degree to access that and what is going on there.

#21
Styx
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Yes i’ve heard the clip, in no way is what was said/done right and I fully understand where your coming from. But when he’s admitted his wrongs and released his statement. When his statement doesn’t match hers at all, there seems to be two sides to the story that don’t line up. It seems a little weird and you can’t REALLY tell who’s lying and who’s not.

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beb0p
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the clip literally proves nothing, there is no context and they even sounded kinda playful tbh

#34
Styx
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The clip where he keeps saying “it’s okay, i want too”. He says something along those lines. It sounded a bit more than playful especially when she kept repeating “no”. I’m not a sinatraa fanboy out here to defend him for anything, because if he is that person he shouldn’t be allowed to compete. I’m just saying what I see infront of me and both sides can be seen.

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ravissant
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It really doesn't prove anything beyond a reasonable doubt. I'm not one of these weirdos trying to say sinatraa's innocent cuz his ex was exposed as being a bit weird (lol) but like one audio clip and not much else doesn't really confirm he's a rapist that should be put away for life in front of a jury, and if other evidence isn't brought about then chances are that he probably does come back. Keep in mind as well he recorded the audio, if it really was rape why would he be incriminating himself by recording it and giving her access to it?

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The clip where she speaks in a baby voice? That clip? He might be guilty, but that clip does nothing for me. The clip is like 5-10 seconds long with him filming. In a baby voice she say's no, he says I'm close, she says no again in a baby voice, then the clip ends. For all we know, he stopped right there because she said no when he stopped filming.

If you are gonna tell someone to stop, it's a good idea to stop being playful and speak in a tone a person knows you're serious, at the very least cut the baby play talk. We also don't know what she's saying no to. Since he's close he might be waiting to finish inside, on her face, etc, and that's what she's saying no to, not the sex itself.

All I am trying to say is the audio clip does nothing when we have such little context and it's so short. Too many unanswered questions. When I heard people talking about this clip, I really assumed it was going to be something huge from the way twitter was reacting.

If he is guilty, I would be happy to see him in prison and never be seen in esports again. But I can't hold that audio clip in any sort of high regard.

#35
anniemal
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I only mentioned clip as for others it could be the easiest to understand where I am coming from.

Otherwise I have a strong grasps the situation of what actually could be right or wrong as I have wide knowledge in psychology and I have actually dealt with victims of abuse, abusers etc.
Although it extremely hard to try to help people to understand based on all everything else there is this case it is something I know and see without them having the same knowledge, experience in the field like me above.

#37
SamTheGreat47
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All I have to say to you broski is that no means no.

#45
Shanty
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Well I mean of course. My point is what is she saying no to, we don't know.

#46
beb0p
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exactly, there is no context

#39
ShiningTyGuy
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The clip proves nothing. Where in the clip does it definitively prove that sinatraaa kept going after she said stop? I don't even like sinatraaa or sentinels and even I can keep my subjective feelings out of this and form an objective opinion. People are literally calling this man a rapist off he said she said bs and an 8 second audio clip where he says "I'm close".

#38
Saya
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I wish I could upfrag this post 10 times

#44
anniemal
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You don't have to because just knowing that such a good person like you exists makes me more happy than any like or online validation <3

#47
plas
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no shot u made that ur name LOL

#48
beb0p
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imposter

#51
beb0p
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LMAO FAKE ANNIEMAL AND FAKE SAYAPLAYER!!! 😂😂😂😂😂😂

#58
anniemal
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First of all Saya is japanese name that is very popular with females and that person even have the flag of that country next it while Saya was only party of the pro player's chosen name plus also he is from South Korea.

The female pro player's username is spelled with only one "n" in it so it's "Aniemal" so your point is not valid and as it happens that Annie is also one of my names so it makes sense to be in my username after all.
Plus I have never expected lack of the option to change the username and literally typed whatever came to my mind while creating the account so I wish I could to change for something cuter but oh well.

So it is a bit silly of you to jump to conclusions and make fun of us of being fake or impersonating someone without checking the correct info to back it up plus clearly knowing that Annie and all the variation have been one of the most common names is Europe and probably over the whole world so in the end the truth was and is that I was actually keeping it real from the start and you are the one that is being the one trying to associate yourself with name of the character that was things like being badass af which I clearly you are not and only thing that you the share and is real to who you are is being a (cow) BOY (bebop).

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anniemal
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I hope you are able to laugh at your own silly mistakes that may end up making you look like a fool since you online all the time and it is plays that things like that tend to happen even to the best of us/
I am not gonna lie that personally I find every situation of someone trying to mock me or insult me and challenge me when I know my stuff and think they can win against me guide amusing so I am glad that you are not as beta as most of the people online.
Although I will never have to be mean to you ever again if you rather avoid making the same mistake of picking on the wrong person or people as I don't like to be like to be so harsh and scary sounding as that and as I would rather go back to my positive attitude and maybe you will have chance to be able to experience how nice and sweet I can be as long as from now on you gonna behave and I am going to see you have been very good boys.

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vasek
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LMAO I get where u might be coming off from, but this assumes that he's indeed guilty which he is not proven to be. Everyone is innocent until proven guilty right? Tbh if he is proven innocent, I hope she serves some punishment.

#53
hiyo
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#30 and #40 bitch

#54
beb0p
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no

#15
Mahj0ngMaster
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Chill

#27
Rizvi
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chill

#28
Seldruddd
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Sinatraa at Iceland would be Sen taking the villain role in full. Plus it would increase the overall team IQ by removing tenz

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CuckLord
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SEN is better with Sinatraa. if he is guilty, then they need to find someone else to play with.

#52
vasek
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Yeah. This, I mean TenZ is mechanically good I agree. But as a team player nah. Just look at C9 now. Without TenZ they are doing so much better. Can't have a team surrounding a player that just does stupid shit cuz he's bored (what his gf said apparently).

#55
CuckLord
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true. He is a really good player but he makes a lot of mistakes that costs them the round tbh. Hes eager for more kills but gets rekt in aim duels sometimes

#41
hiyo
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.

#57
anniemal
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lool

#59
hilo0829
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lol sinatraa will just pay that egirl some money and she would be like ok you're forgiven now ez money ez life
sinatraa is defs gonna be back after iceland

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