NEW FENNEL ROSTER

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Poh1238

https://x.com/FENNEL_official/status/1851594919523266629
GON<-no change
hals<-new/former reject
MrTenzouEz <-new/ former SCARZ
aace<-new/ former RIDDLE order
neth<-new/ former DFM
man hals and tenzou was not expected.
i thought minty or tennn(im gonna crashout for not comingback) will come and aace and some

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the problem i already see is whos gonna play duelist, neth was one of the kind in the past with raze, hals will be duelist for high chance but does not see the vision on this guy. huh

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Aace probably, he was a main duelist before. Disappointed that Minty wasn't picked up, at least they didn't get someone as bad as TENNN

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I've seen rumors about Minty is likely to join riddle

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well that's a weird move just role wise. Would really dislike him to move onto smokes. Maybe Yatsuka and him just swap roles?

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Most likely there will be role changes if it is true, if anything I actually think this job suits Minty the most because he can flex

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he kinda has to play Sentinel imo, because having JoxJo on the initiator role is so important for his calling. So idk how they will manage this as a team. I also personally believe if Seoldam isn't performing it might a good move to eventually move him out of that roster and take chances with Satoshi.

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Joxjo is more than likely to leave and either be their coach or just retire. I assume yatsuka smoke caedye and seoldam split duelist and initiator. Minty is flex and hiroron is rumored to join the team.

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damn would be terrible for the team, don't see that working out at all

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Its about time they grow new and young igl so I'm fine with it. The roles really depends on the meta at the time, but minty has solid flex picks and yatsuka can play smokes. (All former zeta ac kids can play any roles) so I think they would do just fine. Top3 split3 for sure

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That sounds awful, they need an igl real bad, they should try get lefiedot or any other igl rather than adding more firepower imo

( assuming if joxjo leaves the roster)

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that will prob not work, seoldam can play other role but not as great as duelist role that dont make sence

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Minty can flex tho, so it might be possible

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oh yeah i actually remember playing good on killjoy and kayo and other role than duelist i dont have good memory on duelist with him tbh

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FL's roster looks so good.
However, FL's biggest problem is that it is not in Premier's Invite division in the E9A3, so it will not be able to compete in Sp1 next year.
Furthermore, RiotJP plans to change its policy like deciding where to go to Ascension with a total score of sp1,2, so it's difficult for FL to win VCJ

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huh? i thought split 3 winner will be invited in sp1 what

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Echo_fox

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・2024 Sp3 Top4
・2025 Sp1 Advance stage top2 or 4 (not written)
can play at 2025 Sp1 Main Stage, and in Advance stage, top team of invite division in Episode9 Act3 can attend.
Also, teams that change two or more rosters should lose the invitation rights for Sp3 they got in Sp2 (At least the story of that can be heard from everywhere)

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yeah but that doesnt make sense i dont understand the system here so fennel did announce there roster but cant play because they changed in split 3???? thats some idiot design tbh

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Absolutely yes. Riot never think about T2 as you know.
This post is easier for understanding
https://x.com/differ_dfr/status/1851614506860040364?s=61

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Poh1238

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ehhh i wish they change some rule cuz if thats true cuz fennel is just dumb as hell if this was notified by riot JP before roster change

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I doubt this is the case the roster lock was at the 20th of October. They probably already sorted this out.

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so can they play? i wish cuz if they are going out it will be long to see this team in stream

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https://valorantesports.com/ja-JP/news/valorant-challengers-japan-2024-split-3-mainstage

nothing in this only official article indicates that orgs have to keep a core of 3 players.

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uhhh i just hope riot JP allowed there roster change cuz there shitty ass view on tier 2 is basically talent framing for tier1 if they even dont allow this they really dont care about this games tier 2 and only cares money

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that last thing doesn't make sense Fennel lost the players because they got poached by Zeta. Also even then they would have time to qualify through premier they are directly in contenders and only would have to win twice in a row to get to Challenger qualifiers

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Yes, but they have no time to promote to the invite division in Episode9 Act3.

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usually they take the top placed orgs from several acts to qualify to Challengers. Would be surprised if they only took the teams from EP9 Act3. There was also no announcement yet so I wouldn't come into a conclusion like this. The Orgs usually have the rights for the spot that they qualified for and not the players.

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The invitation rights acquired in Sp2 have been lost due to major changes in the roster.
Although this is not clearly written in the article, it can be said that it acts as a rule when FL has to start with Premier.

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not really since the requirements were only for split2 teams that were qualified to the advange stage like Scarz, Varrel, Reject and NTH

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btw just compare it to the Korean circuit. DK and SLT both automatically qualified to the main stage and made more than 2 roster moves and still are playing in the main stage. If the rules are different it was decided by the TO and not Riot themselves.

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RiotKR is RiotKR.
Also, GON says FL may not be able to attend 25 Sp1 officially now.
He says 50/50 for attending.

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eva_3

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Is riotJp fked or what. I heard they were going to implement point system . Fennel literally can't qualify to ascension if they do point system.

continue thread →

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RiotJP really doesn't want their region to become good then lmao. Like this is all their decision if they wanted to they could just let them through. Because for every year teams should be able to make a lot of changes it's really bad if you have to stick to a core like this for no reason.

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1st-4th in Split3 automatically are qualified into next years's split1. It says so on Liquipedia https://liquipedia.net/valorant/VCL/2024/Japan/Split_3

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this roster looks exciting. I really want to see it in action

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Poh1238

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overall its great but not as great as older roster tbh

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Stacked asf, i can see they winning challenger jp soon

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Poh1238

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MRG RIDDLE still exist so i cant quite see the vision tbh, they are stacked but after losing three core player i cant see the vision of them winning

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Kim_Minjii

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Wait riddle still exist? Whats in the roster now
And i forgot CGZ doing good in offseason

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Poh1238

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only aace is out and other remain. CGZ did well against T1 so they have high chance

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Question : who in this roster has a history in igling?

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Poh1238

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neth but tenzou and gon could work

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Gon igling is something I can't imagine lmao

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He was IGLing when he was in CGZ

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Gon said he will be igl ing in his stream/YouTube.

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Neth IGL in CR before.

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I see, is he good?

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he also igled last year in dfm

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Wait not anthem?

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nvm I forgot, it was anthem

#39

Warlordwibz

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Munchkin > Neth > Astell.
Astell IGLing was super slow EMEA style use all kinds of util before last 15 seconds entry into site. Neth IGL is feels better for the team when he plays sentinel > flash initiator. Team finds more success in CR defense side when he anchor site as sentinel.

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I see, definitely didn't know this 😅, thx