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you can use optic or eg core for example, in the post 2022 the optic player had a downfall that is kinda inexplicable, while in the EG case we had players that had an HORRIBLE year and GOOD year, like ethan and demon1 that was almost sad to watch, while boostio lead that good for nothing 100T to a internacional
So you're talking about what they did as a core but including also what happened to in their careers when they split up then? If we're talking just core I think the FNC one has been the most successful, idk if Sacy winning and aspas placing top 3 makes up for the difference between the 2 of them.
FNC core hasn't really split up until now that Derke is gone. I suppose you could count what happened before and include Boaster's top 2 finish
i agree with some doubt, for me what they achieved is until now the pinacle of what a team can do
but in my eyes win a master, and place 4th in a champions, and winning americas with players that never has win NOTHING in tier 1 (except for c0m) and place in 3th in a champions means much more than staying with your "friends" and winning emea for example
But FNC core won 2 trophies together, Loud 1. And FNC have been arguably even more consistent, they’ve been top 4 at 90% of events since forever
Counting just the core of Saadhack Aspas Less vs Alfajer Derke Boaster. FNC has 6 trophies, Loud 3.
If were also counting Leo Chronicle/ Pancada Sacy. It’s even 2 Chronicle 2 Sacy
And domestically FNC has won EMEA 3 times out of 5(tops 2 and 3 the remaining times).
Loud I don’t really think we can count Brazil so they’ve won Americas 1 out of 3 times (although the last 2 wasn’t really the core anymore without aspas)
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