Allow T1 team to have a aca in T2 ?

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Shall we allow T1 team to have an academy team in T2 ?
If yes, should they be allowed to compete in Ascension and get ascended ?
If yes, shall we let the team choose if they can compete in ascension and lose their player in case they got ascended or refuse to go to ascension and let their place for the next team. Or shall the player choose if they want to go to asc ?

With what happen to Riddle that are basically ex Zeta-Academy, I start to think about it.
And my conclusion is that I feel that not allowing T1 team to have a team in T2 is a bad thing, when you are a T1 team, you have to detect talents, and you have to keep them to promote them when you need them, but imagine you are a T2 talent with T1 potential, why would you stay in an academics team that cant compete in T2, if you aim T1 you have to play in T2, and if you are a young talent you will find a T2 team and leave the academy team. So that mean if you are a T1 team, you can't keep talents if you don't put them in a team that will have objective and you can't give them objectives if they cant go to T2 because thats the main objective of a non-T1 team, the next step before going to T1.

We have also to take in account the new rule that allow a T1 team to have a "mixed gender team" in T2, with this new rule KCGC can go to French T2 if they are good enough, and they can even have 2 male in that team (note that another new rule is that a team that qual to GCC go to T2 promo-relo), this rule is kinda weird, because it creates a weird optimal situation :
Imagine you want to detect new player, and you want to find a way to keep them : Main solution is to create a mixed roster with 2 young talent and 3 girls, but if you hire 3 girl just to play premier and hope to qual, it make sense to hire 2 girl more to play GC. So you end with 12 player (5 main roster, 3 girl in GC-T3, and 2girl and 2 males that will rotate with the 3 mains gilrs)
And this raise so mush more questions :

Can you create a competitive T3 strong enough with 3 girls ? (They are girl that can qual to T2 in BR and G2G, but it's so hard to find if you want to create a new team)
Can you create a 7 human roster with 2 men and 5 girl that isn't to mush disorganize ?
Is that solution enough to keep talents ?
If the GC roster qualifies to champions, does that qualify the T3 roster because they are 3 girl in common with the roster that go to GCC ?

What are you thought guys ?

tldr, If you are a T1 competitive team wanting a T2 academy team you need :

5 male player that play in T1
2 girl (Or NB) player that play in GC only
3 girl player that will play in both GC and in T3 to qual to T2
2 boy player that will play in T3 to qual with T2 with 3 girls.
And that's a weird situation, because you have to disorganize your T3GC roster in order to qual to T2.

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allat typing get a job

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Using brain is fun ! I know you are American but I believe in you ! I'm sure you can use it and have the pleasure to feel what is it to think about structural problem and way to solve them, give proposition and think of a way to make things better !

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W racism!

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It's not a race reason, it's something more cultural ! Every American people in a good environment are able ! It's just that statistically they have more chance to end into a bad environment

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I fear that Euro propaganda is rotting your brain, my friend

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Don't worry, we have also our big problem and I hate twice mush Germany than I have the USA (Germany is just the Vampire of EU), heart on both USian people and german people still

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americans arent a race

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France

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They are but they just can compete under the org name in tier 2

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Sounds weird, that mean ZETA can hire everyone in a T2 team, rename it "ATEZ" and everything could be possible ?

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This may or may not be happening rushindra was saying GE is also gonna have a t2 team next year

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You think they can find 3 girl strong enough to got to T2 India ?

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??

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If you have a team in T1 you cant have an academic roster in T2 if you dont have 3 girl in it.
The only other solution is to play with the border of the law by creating a structure with a different name, make them affiliate, and put your 5 academic player in it and say "No it's not our team !", but in the eyes of Riot that will not be an aca team (It's just a weird way to do it "allegally", not illegally because it's legal, but "allegally" because Riot forbid academic roster in T2, and you created a pseudo-aca roster)

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I dont see why not.
Allowing academy teams to play in tier 2 would allow for more players to get paid and could be beneficial for viewership.
(having big orgs/fanbases competing even with academy rosters can be very good)
I would just prevent academy teams from being able to qualify for ascension, with the next best team in the region qualify instead.
It also falls in line with what riot wants tier 2 to be, talent development leagues.

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I tend to agree with that, I think if Riot didn't allow it, it was because they where afraid that it would make things unfair for other T2 teams

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i mean many have the affiliate team thing which allows them to transfer players between rosters like giantx with famsii and liquid with soulcas so its techincally a thing but not fully yet

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Not really the same, affiliate team create a weird situation where you kinda subcontract the detection of talent of a structure that don't have the same goal as you. The T2 team probably don't want to lose their good player if they are really good in T2, and it might really expansive to buy them (And if they dont need to buy to force the T2 team to give them the player, then the affiliate programm may be bad for T2 team that sign it)

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Doesn't matter if you allow it or not. No team would get one, it's expensive af and completely useless. It's not gonna give you money so what benefits could it possibly have? Develop talent? You can already do that through affiliated orgs like GX with UCAM or FNC with MDR

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Some team already have, Riddle is made of 3 players from ZETA aca.
Also it is useful, for example KC in LoL have scouted good talent thanks to their academy team in LoL, when you want to think about long term, having an aca team is important, scouting is important but scouting become pointless if you don't have an academy team

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but why would you pay to have an academy when you can have a tier 2 team that does exactly that for you? It's literally what we already have

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No, no, T1 team cant have a team in T2 right now :/, (Well in 2025 they can only if they have 3 girl in it https://x.com/ValorantEsports/status/1803119797598822501 )

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I'm confused. Do you not know what a partnered team is?

Instead of Academies every VCT team is allowed to have a partnered tier 2 team. For example Giantx and UCAM, this essentially means Giants has control over the UCAM players which are all 2 way players, allowing them to move between both teams freely, like famsii has been doing.

This is a way cheaper solution than fielding an entire team themselves since they only pay a little sum to UCAM, and pretty much have the same benefits as an academy

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Partnered team isn't a T2 academics teams, it's another structures that have their own goal that differ with the T1 team they have partnered team, T1 team can't be fully in control that the decision of the team, if player in UCAM can be hire by GX with GX not having to pay anything to UCAM (Making the player not a 2 way player but a fully GX player) thats not a win-win in the longterm, and Ucam will probably retire. If UCAM still got some control to be sure their player can stay if they want, you kinda loose the benefit of an academics team

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No, conditions clearly also benefit UCAM or else they wouldn't have agreed in the first place. UCAM has now more money and better pull since a player would rather sign with them knowing tier 1 is more likely there.

Anyway, Valorant is not in a Spot to consider academies, we have to roll with what we have

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So basically they give money to UCAM to compensate the fact they can, without losing any money, steal their player ? I rather have an aca system than a partener system that make them de-facto an-academy team with another flag.

Fact is Partnered team is a recent feature, and it's hard to estimate if it's worth or not for both T1 and T2

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You just made it seem as if Giants was scamming UCAM and then continued by saying you would rather do something else if you were Giants

But I agree, only time will tell if it is truly functional. What I can tell you though is Academies aren't coming back for now

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overall agree, but i think a lot of orgs already have academies but they just dont play in T2 or are affiliated with another org

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Sure, but how can you keep your talent if they aren't allowed to play in T2 ?

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Mataynn

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by loaning them on orgs/putting them on the team you are affiliated with probably

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May be possible, but if you are a T2 org you might avoid having player that you can loose at any time.
Also I wonder if you can buy 5 player, create a new org make them play inside and if Riot will say it's ok, that would be really weird

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Furious Gaming look A LOT like it in LATAM south, 4 LEV acad players and a 16 yrs old brazil prodigy, and for the 1st question i think T2 org would do a lot to just win ascension even with some players that are too young for VCT (they arent created tho, they played last yr already)

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Doesn't that make Furious totally dependent of Lev and making their roster season in the middle of a split even if the team got some good result ?

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well none of the players are 18, but yeah its pretty much how partnership between a T1 and T2 team works

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That doesnt sound healthy if this system make them a "de facto" academic team with another flag. I rather have real academy system that these weird system x)