TH Held back. | VLR.gg

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Shawn23

idc what anyone says theyre being held back with miniboo on duelist over wooT its just clear as day. im not saying theyre bad with mini on duelist but this team is better with woot on duelist

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Wo0t has said numerous times he doesn't like playing duelist

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Shawn23

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anthony davis doesn't like playing center, but hes doing it lol

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cloudberry

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Who is that

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Er3ngenes1s

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Literally WHO ?

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K4ziuHa

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tywho? moment

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SmithAndWinston

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And ever since he changed to center where have the lakers been. He won his mickey mouse ring as PF

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DoubleZ

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Tenz doesnt like duelist, but hes NOT doing it, take inspiration from your own team

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Shawn23

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its a complete different situation, sentinels look better without tenz on duelist lol

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Al-Mawsil

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his choice, but sometimes you gotta force it like what they did with sayf. thats my opinion but i dont think the current iteration is bad

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Shawn23

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its not bad at all, but they just looked better with wooT shitting on the whole server

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Woot's Averaging 1.7 rating 340 ACS this split so far

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Shawn23

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and miniboo is one of the worst rated duelist this split lol.

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boilin_cockroach

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blud he played only once before this match

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Shawn23

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damn the same thing applies to WooT LOL, im just responding with what he responded with

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Mortadelo

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My point is Woot's clearly not being held back xD
Also Mini is top 5 duelist statistically now, so def not one of the worst

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idkbro

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yeah but he isnt getting the impact that wo0t gets, I think they are fine like this but wo0t is the better player and duelist, he was getting crazy impact in terms of openings and entries, he was similar to donk just full w destroying everybody

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true wo0t was a different breed but I still say give these guys more time and lets see what happens in more important matches (obviously this one is played seriously) but I wanna see their choking ability (this was pretty bad in shanghai), their consistency and give them more time to see their full potential.

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shawn I will try to explain. If wo0t is on raze and he double satchels in there is a high chance he gets shot out by multiple people or a random person, there is risk. If miniboo is on raze, he takes the risk and makes space for wo0t. Now wo0t is able to take advantaged fights, and gets to play out the whole round and the clutch. Also let wo0t play what he haves fun in. If u know you have a god tier player like wo0t u want him to live and play out all the fights.

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bookmark it, they wont make top 3 @ champs lol. done listening to golds on VLR

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cloudberry

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Trust me, no one is bookmarking this random VLR thread other than you.
Also if you're gonna call people golds like they're worse than you then the least you can do is link your tracker to back yourself up

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Shawn23

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im imm 3 lmao. u could never be

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cloudberry

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I don't see a tracker

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Shawn23

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1228354528630280219/1255230444094619782/image.png?ex=667d08b2&is=667bb732&hm=acbb523445719dec42ff4b4dba5888b4c6b02958ce8454576e10f0ec6ce58bdd&

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cloudberry

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Nice cursor, but I still don't see a tracker

continue thread →

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idkbro

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thats not true for everybody, you might farm more stats being the trader but if u are someone with the entrying ability of wo0t u get way more impact that way even if ur stats will look better being the trader, having a player who can simply run into site and have a ridiculous success rate in entries is OP, it just makes it so easy he just either wins u the round or puts you in pretty good positions to clean up, look at donk who is in contention for top1 this year, might better stats on a superficial level if he played "star" roles but the impact he can get entrying makes his team win more, in the end it only impact and winning counts not ACS or rating

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Zekken said no duelist player likes playing duelist m, u just gotta shut up and do it

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cloudberry

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100% sure the majority of tier 1 VCT duelists don't dislike playing duelists. I'll hear you out if you can get a source, though

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dont have a source just what zekken said

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cloudberry

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No I mean like clip or something

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oh unlucky I dont remember when he said it

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cloudberry

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Oh damn alright

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Mortadelo

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Yeah fr cNed is dying they let him play Sova

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Pathetic was holding back TH

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Mortadelo

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Opposite imo, MiniBoo does the entry duties giving Woot all the freedom to be an assassin. Plus Woot's performances are not because of his duelist util etc, it's because he can kill you with a stick if necessary

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Kyronnn

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exactly, miniboo drags crosshairs and lets wo0t take all the fights without much risk

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where ur heretics flair morta

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Mortadelo

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I support the 3 spanish teams equally, plus I didn't expect TH to be this good at the start of the year so it feels like bandwagoning

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respect 😼

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Kxtqqh

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extremely common mortadelo W

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Number1Joshie

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most self-aware vlr chatter

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dort

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did you not watch geng vs th finals?

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Shawn23

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wow geng whooped a teams has that had less then a month of practice, TH made everyone look like a pathetic team. I promise theyre not making a run like that again at champs with miniboo on duelist. bookmark this please.

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i agree but im js wo0t ain't gonna be dropping crazy numbers all the time on duelist

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Shawn23

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you can even look at there games vs fut , they played fut 3 times this year. twice with miniboo and once with woot on duelist. it was a absolute curbstomp with woot on duelist and miniboo on duelist it was close lol even went to OT one map.

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dort

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yeah idk why they continue to put minibum on duelist tbh

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ur saying this like Miniboo is a bad duelist

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Shawn23

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im not saying theyre bad with mini on duelist

they're still a top team, but it looked way better with wooT on duelist.

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cloudberry

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That doesn't address Cheasle's concern, though

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Shawn23

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Like what r yall not understanding ? All i said was theyre being held back, I never once said miniboo is a bad duelist. they just performed better with wooT on duelist lmao.

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They've only lost 1 (one) game with miniboo on duelist and woot on init and that was 2-3 to Fnatic playing out of their minds

they are still the best team in EMEA, and are happy in their roles - why change them?

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Why are people so pissy when it comes to woot is clearing mini on duelist, that’s not even arguable it’s the truth

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because if you play a team like Gen G wo0t is forced to entry, and he's not hitting shots and dying first, his impact won't be noticed. If you play him as second entry he could actually focus on aiming and killing instead of entrying and creating space for his team

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Cheasle2

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bc wo0t clears mini on initiator too? he's just a better player

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-Artorias

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he is

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he's mid

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cohnr

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saying that while having the worst duelist in NA is crazy

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would you rather have miniboo on woot's role then? has he played initiator before? if the team is confident in their current playstyle and they're winning i say let them cook

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cloudberry

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Miniboo can play KAY/O but unless TH want to play KAY/O on every map then a role swap isn't a good idea

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I agree the net rating of the change wouldn't be positive but I'm pretty confident MiniBoo would be an above average flex

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cohnr

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woot looks better stat-wise but purely looking at gameplay, miniboo fills the same role as icy does on g2 by being a world class entry and space maker which is more important on movement duelists imo

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I agree, Miniboo is still a good duelist but Wo0t is a better player