I don't know how much have we improved since, but holy fuck I didn't know our 2023 ascension teams was this bad
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PACIFIC is still undoubtedly the 2nd worst region (only better than China)
idk why ur surprised lmao.
0 playoff team in madrid , only beating cn and other EMEA team other than G2 in Shanghai lmao.
Emea won a total of 0 time against pacific this season
PACIFIC won like 4 super close matches against EMEA (PRX 2-1 KC, PRX 2-1 TH, GENG 2-1 FNC, GENG 3-2 TH). only PRX and GENG btw. the rest of PACIFIC is ass)
- LOUD (way worse than KC and TH at Madrid - you can compare LOUD's results against PRX and SEN with KC and TH's results against PRX and SEN) beat 2 chinese teams to fluke into playoffs. everyone knows this
- KC and TH had 0 international experience when going to Madrid. Yet they still put up such close games to PRX and SEN (super experienced).
- TH also had a sub patitek (only 3.5 weeks practice before kickoff) while other teams (like SEN) had 6 months of practice and TH werent at their full power.
stfu lmfao
also EMEA had the best average placement at Shanghai (4.6). AMER: 5.3. PAC: 5.6. CN: 9.
getting downfragged for the truth
i cant with these biased fucks on this site.
actually sad how the AMER-APAC propaganda has taken over 95% of ppl 😭😭😭
All im hearing is excuses. EDG beat PRX in madrid, but KC which is hyped to win the tournament and TH with home advantage couldn't. U seen how shit EDG is in Shanghai so thats a. Massive L
Fnatic(super experienced btw) won a total of 0 international game this season
TH only win outside of CN team is G2. (For what it's worth i think they are a decent team) edit : i forgot about 100t
EDG (again) already has experience internationally and against PRX specifically.
Leave it bro. PACIFIC got shit on for 3 years since 2021. Let them enjoy their short term success.
pacific is literally so mediocre outside of prx and geng, at least emea and na is not that top heavy, because everyone outside team heretics (100t and sen) can get stomped. because everyone in one way or another are in the same level
Geng is 3-3 in pacific, Prx also lost in pacific. Drx with the best record in pacific actually did not go to international event. To put this in perspective, Geng is 10-1 in international
If anything EMEA is more top heavy with TH with their roster instability still dominating most teams. Navi was crushed multiple times. KC fell ott. Fut plays too deranged to actually be a good team, i have no idea why fnc is crumbling.
Sure outside of MIBR and Furia, Pacific have the 4 worst team, but when the 7th placed team (RRQ) beats Geng, and the 6th(TS) stomped PRX the mid table is not that bad. I can see an argument that Americas is better in the midtable(but they have the 2 worst teams) but not EMEA
are you stupid or just straight retarded, that you talk without watching emea matches?
No rebuttal just name calling, classic.
Yes i watch emea , the schedule is nice for me to watch before sleep. If anything i don't watch most Americas match.
"MY EYE TEST SAYS EMEA IS GOOD" Is not a reliable way of determining a regions strength, it's biased and extremely unreliable. The fact you base your assumptions on that just show how uneducated you are, as anyone who have written any paper will know that eye test means nothing at all.
you say gen.g has lost multiple times in pacific which means pacific has good teams, then in the next breath you say TH "dominating most teams". TH went 3-3 just like gen.g and navi has only lost to TH and BBL since the beginning of the year. using your argument: since a mid team like BBL can beat navi, does that mean emea mid table is very strong?
your arguments are overall horrible and we both know very well the pacific teams excluding PRX, gen.g and MAYBE drx are all ass. T1 are even worse than fut, fnc are better than drx. BBL, Vitality, and even TL are all better than the mid table pacific teams
They went 3-2 actually. But yes i thought they went 4-1 because i just remembered the BBL lost. So we are both wrong.
But assuming they have the same record(they did not) , that is no argument to say which league is more top heavy, and also kept in mind the woot patitek th never played in EMEA.
The rest of the things you say are just assumptions. Drx actually beat geng once unlike fnatic (that doesn't mean they are better mind you, but thats the only point of comparison we got) . Fut vs T1 is the only objective thing there as both teams run into Lev, and one of them finished 6th. But keep in mind T1 is 7th on the table are only in Shanghai because they, unlike any EMEA team can actually beat GENG.
BBL, VIT, TL is better than Talon RRQ and TS? According to whom? None of those teams will ever play each other and comparing them is just based on assumptions. Our only point of comparison is comparing when the teams they play which are PRX and Geng. Both teams have 100% win rate against emea teams(top teams mind u) , but Geng in particular have barelu above 50% win rate vs Pacific teams. Does it means Pacific midtable is better than EMEA ? Not definitively, but its certainly better than "everyone knows"
Hes gonna reply with the amount of throphies but we know PACIFIC teams >>> EMEA (at least right now)
Fun fact: EMEA still has 0 match wins against any Pacific team this year lol
the score is EMEA 0-4 Pacific
Keep crying brother and you guys might win one day.
pacific is literally so mediocre outside of prx and geng
the fact that this region was still having igl problems till 2024 b4 munchkin arrived
PAC is a 1.5 team region, but the rest of the teams are wayyyyyyyyyyyy worse.
EMEA is a 2.5 team region (TH 1, FUT .5, FNC .5, KC .5), but the rest of the teams (NAVI, GX, VIT, ...) arent that terrible.
AMER is a 2.25 team region (G2 1, 100T .75, SEN .5), but some teams are terrible (worse than assific - FUR, MIBR)
i dont like TH and G2 being equal to 1 tho.
prx on fraud watch tbh till they get top 3 in champs
the fact that EG (newly formed team with a rookie) and geng (newly formed team with a ranked rookie) outperformed them last year and this year makes u question what the fuck they were doing all these years
like bru lul these players out of nowhere r just coming together and outperforming u
Geng didn't out performed prx, they ass fucked every other team in masters Shanghai
thats what out performed means
they performed better than prx in shanghai
Geng is the best team in the world that's it, prx is 4-5th place. That's what I mean
well at lest he has a trophy ur team is full of chokers cant even win a trophy after 3 years of being together look at geng they have been together for 6monts and won a trophy ur team will not win a trophy ever
less carried them aspas is a fraud for leaving loud because of his stupid attitude towards the game and towards his teammates prx is ass they are only good regionally they will never achieve anything internationally
They're constantly getting top 5 every international event, I think it's pretty good. Also hopefully pancada can save loud
100t are better than g2 and th is way better than g2/100t to amount for the same points
America and EMEA have many low A dan B tier teams
Pacific have B tier teams
China have C dan D tier teams
Only 2 or 3 teams from each region are S tier or top A tier teams
no order within each rank
S: TH, GENG
A: 100T, G2, SEN, FUT, FNC, KC, PRX, DRX
B: NRG, LEV, C9, KRU, NAVI, VIT, GX, T1, TS, TLN
C: LOUD, EG, TL, BBL, RRQ
D: FUR, MIBR, M8, KOI
F: GE, ZETA, BLD, DFM
emea is a 1 team region dont just lie only TH is good rest will get clapped by any 4th seed from any other region including china
FUT beat LEV (AMER 3rd) bro. what tf are u on about
FNC also lost to GENG by 2 rounds. FNC wins against any other PAC team lmfao
we will see about that in champs americas had mid teams they ddint had best teams from their region and fnc is ass they won that many round because of alfa if he wasnt pulling magic out of his ass than fnc would have gotten shitted on no other team other than TH is gogg you will see at champs when only 1 emea team will qualify to playoffs
blud's tripping
Leo was also sick in that GENG (winners of tournament) match bro.
EMEA will have 4 teams in playoffs, AMERICAS 2, PACIFIC 1, CHINA 1
we will see about that and if u r giving excuse about leo then geng's whole team was sick maybe except t3xture so that is just excuses ur region is a farmer region and TH is the farmer rest are just crops and i can definitely say that emea will be the worst region at champs
we will see about that and if u r giving excuse
you started it first by saying "americas had mid teams they ddint had best teams from their region" LMFAO
BLEED didn't have their star player that helped them win ascension in the first place bc of military, if juicy was still there yay would never have been on the team to begin with
bro the roster literally got seperated what r u saying and also gentle m8s are not much better they are like a bottom 4 team
m8s won bcs apeks choked,
apeks was even a far better team than the gentlem8s
they had
shadoW (now on koi)
enzo (now on tl)
mistic (now on tl)
keiko (now on tl)
magnum (now on kc)
shadow on koi worst team, core of apeks are clearlymid and not what liquid are looking for if they want trophies let alone an international tournament, magnum has good results
They had their main 3 roster+zest/yay and still lose pretty badly, but yeah their chemistry got fucked in a way since juicy making NS
they had their core for kickoffs and then got rid of it for an entire split? They just got their core back
Boom was pretty close on beating bleed at sf, sadly they love to choke and the format fucked them(no lowers)
edit: def not bonkers though💀
That and sscary life game winning so many important rounds for them
Thailand is winning rn, they beat the Ph and Indo representatives in VCT, and they got a team that is the favorite to win Ascension.
I'm actually fucking jealous holy shit
I still have mixed feeling about Talon but I agree that thai t2 scene specially FS looks insane rn
Again the regions fight lmao. EMEA and AMERICAS are ahead with 5 trophies each. And Pacific just got their 1st trophy after 4 years. Really there is a debate for this? Pacific has always been 1-2 team region. I am a pacific fan but have to accept stats. PRX and DRX carried the whole region.
Have you even followed APAC since 2021? DRX were the second best Pacific team after PRX till 2023 Champions. GenG replaced them in 2024 only.
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