format doesn't get enough hate

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livelovelaugh69

why auto-qualify first seed based on regional results? it makes no sense and 2 first seeds just went out 0-2. it made it so groups was kinda boring as well

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I guess riot didn't expect first seed teams to be so bad

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should've been a 12 team swiss stage so good teams can actually qualify for playoffs (fpx) instead of fn0tic

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livelovelaugh69

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12 team swiss would have been pretty sick. fpx is really entertaining. i wanted to see them more too

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idk if FNC would be bad if they came from groups
couldve just been them being tilted for losing such a close series to GENG (13-10, 10-13, 11-13)

plus Leo was still a bit sick
+FNC's anti on FUT for Split was beautiful

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livelovelaugh69

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i definitely think they got a little unlucky and are a better team than they were able to show

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It's hard to say how they would perform in swiss, mostly because you don't get much time to prepare for your next opponent

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12 teams can’t work because eventually you get a round with 3 teams per group which can’t work

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Whats wrong with gettiing put through to playoffs because of being first seed? You get to watch a lot of games, so you get to peek into the strats of all the teams who played and you dont have to go thorugh a grouping stage? You cant just say it makes no sense bc two first seeds are out, they lost fairly and them losing is on them, not the format

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i mean that i don't feel they showed good enough play to warrant putting them through to playoffs. regional results are not that important and most teams are just playing to qualify to internationals, not place regionally. it would be better if they would have to show their ability internationally before playoffs. i thought the format was bad before too, 0-2 just proves my point

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Then what advantage should first seeds get, and how should the format change? Genuinely curious

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livelovelaugh69

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i think you can give first seeds other advantages that are more fair. for example, at past tournaments we've had higher seeding in the group stages. I think it would also be a good idea to fix the champs points structure so teams are more rewarded for high placements in the regional leagues by making it easier for them to qualify out of them at the end of the year. honestly with 12 teams it's rough but you could do swiss stage with 12 or even 4 round robin groups where top 2 teams in each group qualify for playoffs. im sure there are other ideas too, especially if it was a 16 team tournament

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I think if it was a 16 team tournament, putting 1st seeds straight into playoffs is a must, because the amount of games that would need to be played in a 16 team group stage would make the tournament run for maybe even10 days longer than usual. And you can argue about the 1st seed advantage being a little too unfair going straight to playoffs, but if they changed it to just giving 1st seeds higher seeding in group stage to make it 'fairer', a 1st seed will inevitably just lose out eventually at an event. Then people will call format bad, 1st seed advantage will be called useless and the cycle will repeat itself.
The current format right now isnt perfect, but its not as bad as people make it out to be. Its also annoying how people rather criticize the format than compliment teams stepping up against higher seeds.(not geng vs fnc obviously)

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you give them higher seeding or map ban advantage in their swiss games?

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map ban advantage is too strong especially if it was to be given to 1st seed against someone who would be seed 2 or 3. That would probably only given to winner side in grand finals, as it should be

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Is the champs points not enough? Should be like Madrid, where iirc the initial matches in swiss were based on seeding from regional results

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Tristen11

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They could try it, but like i said in post #21, people are gonna complain again when a first seed goes out 0-2

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nah first seed auto-qualifying is good imo

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I kind agree, but then regional finals and playoffs after the qualifications are just useless. At least with this system there is some reason to lock in for the final

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livelovelaugh69

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thats pretty true yea but I prefer more competitive international tournaments. groups would've been more interesting for me if it had the top 4 regional teams too

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For sure. Also, some teams like fpx just have their jinx teams like edg in finals, so even then it doesnt always work. Idk what an ideal situation would look like

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maybe better champs point structure could incentivize teams to try after qualifying in regional playoffs and then we could have everyone play groups internationally. im not sure it's just an idea

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rit0 games production, it only gets worse from here

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league had the exact format for MSI, and no one had a problem with it.

If a first seed fumbles, that’s their fault, not the format’s.

In fact, this year’s MSI was just like past master events. Group stage with the top four then playoffs with the regional first seeds.

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all im saying is they should be given such a big advantage since they haven't shown to be much better than the other teams yet. think about how often in the past top teams get upset in groups. it makes the whole tournament more interesting if you let teams play it out rather than place some teams above others internationally

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Champs effectively does this better. 16 teams into 4 groups and top 8 go to playoffs. I wonder if we'll see Swiss integrated into Champs though

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livelovelaugh69

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yea 100% i feel like swiss wouldn't make sense but idk. maybe they'll do 8 team swiss playoff lmao

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this is why champions format is the best by far and im gonna be pissed if they change it this year. nobody gets a free pass to playoffs and theres the most teams. its the most fair and competitive format.