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Lucrix

ok wait. geng and sen have played the same number of matches since madrid. why is it that people are shooting sentinels so much bail(me included) when gen.g have proven that they can still stay in form when having such little time to prepare strats and what not. I understand sen lost like a week cuz johnqt was stuck, but that doesn't excuse the rest of the weeks. yes geng have been using the same stuff and not changing anything, but they've been able to make it work

also ik people are gonna say "pacific noob region. everyone sucks" but they played against talon(2-0 first time), prx(lost 1-2), drx(1-2 and then won 2-1). blame it on the format or wtv, but geng played hard teams

sen beat 100t, lost to lev(understandable), beat mibr, beat furia, and then lost to a loud that haven't been looking as good, and lost to eg despite being up 10-2 on bind

im not trying to kill sen, but sentinels fans are such hypocrites. EVERYONE would be saying "geng ass. pacific 0 trophy region" if geng failed to qual.

edit: btw i think that the break is good for sen

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they have been grinding for like last 6 months

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ok im sorry but you can't put any weight into those sen hosted tournaments. maybe the afreeca tv one, but that's still just an off season event. I agree that sen have been grinding longer, but shouldn't that make them better than geng, who picked up a ranked player in november?(also wait doesn't that mean that geng and sen have been grinding the same amount??)

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are you serious?

Gen G plays in fucking apac bro can we get real for a moment

its not the same thing lol, idk if ur tryna rage bait or just bully sen fans

SEN and GEN.G had the same record ( their wins came against talon zeta and dfm LOL )

with their only good win in split 1 being against DRX?? And it's not even that great of a DRX team (idc termi isnt that good imo)

both teams are still good one just plays in a weaker region

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edit: the original reply was about how sen have grinded for 6th months btw. nothing about stronger groups btw

look my gripe is the fact that people are chalking sen's failure to qual being because of the lack of a break

GEN.G had the same record ( their wins came against talon zeta and dfm LOL )
SEN's wins came from(100t, mibr, and furia LOL)

with their only good win in split 1 being against 100t?? and it's not even that 100t are that great of a team(im not convinced yet, and like i've said in other replies, i would like for 100t to do well)

both teams are still good, one just has a better drive

those are the counters to your point

do i agree that sen have lost their drive? no. do i believe that geng going to shanghai instead of taking a break will be detrimental? maybe cuz they'll have less time to prep

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Sen also only have one good win against 100t. Their other two wins are against furia and MIBR, arguably the worst two tier 1 team outside of China. Sen got a harder group than Geng, but if anything they should have beaten EG.

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ok and SEN losses came against EG and a dying LOUD..

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not bad teams.. at all

The LOUD core is the predominant dynasty of valorant and have the best IGL ever, they are streaky but they were good

EG have the goat coach and jawgemo

meanwhile GEN.G losing to rrq who's best player dropped 0 kills in a t2 match

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Most people consider APAC the strongest region rn

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I thought so too but watching split 1 changed my mind, Americas is better

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juju112

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geng's league is way easier than SEN's. No diss, apac is just much more top heavy

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Didnt you read complete para or what?
He is talking bout the loss against eg and loud ig?

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Lucrix

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in your eyes who are the top teams in americas besides sen

imo in no specific order:

kru
lev
100t(maybe. im not 100% convinced yet but i would love to)
and then MAYBE loud(also not 100% convinced)

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top 4 teams in americas are the 4 you listed
then C9
then EG, G2 & SEN ( no particular order)
then NRG

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Lucrix

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the fact that you put sen that low is kinda concerning, no? yes americas is a very strong region, but why is the masters madrid winner in 6-9th place?

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Psion

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before i answer, i have SEN 6-8 not 6-9
yes and no
obviously going from #1 ITW to outside the top half of non-chinese teams is worrying on its own
but
this is the most stacked region 1-8 to ever exist, if SEN were in any other region (bar EMEA group omega) they make playoffs.
last year teams had the benefit of longer stages to help them recover from deep runs in previous events, and before that(2022) regions didn't have enough depth in the first place
like through week 4(5 games) last year in americas
standings were
LOUD 5-0
C9 4-1
100T 3-2
Lev 3-2
Furia 3-2
NRG 2-3
SEN 2-3
mibr 2-3
EG 1-4
KRU 0-5
this puts NRG, who is pretty much considered the best of the 5th-8th teams at Lock\in, as a 6th-8th team in Americas through 5 games, and this was a much weaker americas region than this year and a similar thing could've happened to NRG

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Lucrix

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LMFAO I CAN'T COUNT SORRY
i agree that americas are seriously stacked, but to me, sure geng had an easy GROUP, but they had to play 6 matches with almost no preptime. same as sen. tbh im just mad that loud beat sen in such convincing fashion. eg could be chalked up to eg having more confidence when they started coming back, but still.

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Psion

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i don't think GenG had visa issues like SEN, and GenG also went 3-3 just like SEN, with worse round diff(but better map diff) too

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remember nrg is with the little brazilian teams

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even thinking EG and LOUD are bad teams, are u telling me a team with a top 3 coach of all time and world champion and another team with a world champion IGL and sentinel player is worse than RRQ? EG was originally a bad matchu to a sen with many matches and LOUD has always been a team to easily turn around from their loss streaks. Tell me the loud you saw in the sen match was the same loud u saw lose to NRG or C9, you cant. Both these teams look stronger than the midtable teams in APAC by far.

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exactly, loud has been looking really strong recently, I don't understand why we keep discrediting loud when they look insanely strong currently

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americas is more competitive than pacific and GENG might get burnt out before champs considering how much they played this year and the break in between events

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Lucrix

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oh i love geng(they're my second fav team behind edg), but if they are able to make it decently far at champs imo they've gotta be considered in the top 5 overall. you look at edg who have non stop played matches and you can see the burnout

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Its not that apac is top heavy(the top 6 teams are about equal to americas) , its just Geng just happen to get into an extremely shit group. Geng went 3-3 which is not that much better than Sen. If Sen is put in a group with Furia(Apac equivalent : Bleed) , MIBR(GE) , NRG(T1) and G2(TS) then they would qual too

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Lucrix

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this could be cope but i feel like that last loss to rrq was just them not trying since they were first seed and probably have enough points for champs

but sen losing to loud 2-0, not even getting 10 rounds in one map is inexcusable, much less that loss to eg

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Psion

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RRQ is also debatably top 4 in pacific and you can potentially argue they are 2nd behind only PRX

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Charism

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Ik, the loss vs. lev and eg could've been avoided if they played just a lil better. The loud loss was just embarrassing tho

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LeCat

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They did not throw/did not try enough in the RRQ match. That matchup is personal, as RRQ's igl got Meteors brother kicked from a team. And there's also a rivalry between the two team because Geng took RRQ's international chances 3 times in a row.

And yes RRQ is arguably top 4 Pacific. Their lost against GE was because Estrella got hospitalized 1 day before the GE match

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Lucrix

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alr well that's my bad. i dont follow pacific as deeply so i forgot about the rivalry. i just think that geng weren't like crushed that they lost but i don't know the bts

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Charism

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I don't think geng is a bad team, in fact i am rooting for them to win shanghai so champs finals of sen vs. geng becomes even more hype than optic vs. loud

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Bruh feel like ppl don't understand they are also in two different regions. America's is probably the most competitive region of them all since only like two of the teams are just ass and the everyone else can beat anyone on any given day.

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lmao sen missed out playoffs by 2 rounds and encountered every single team at their peak - a prepped out eg (choking a 10-2), an insane LOUD, and a 50 kill aspas, geng had an extremely lackluster split, coming out with the SAME record as sen - to TOP THEIR GROUP. americas is so much more competitive than pacific to begin w

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"EnCoUnTeReD eVeRy SiNgLe TeAm At ThEiR pEaK"
like they were dogshit infront of every other team and turned into barca 09/10 infront of sen

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i mean look at the games
sen - lev
insanely fucking close 19-17, 13-11 - when lev the previous weak was smoked by c9
sen - eg
ALSO INSANELY CLOSE! sen choked a 10-2 for this, and everyone can say eg looked ass until they got there
loud -
not a close match whatsoever, we can all see that
loud shit the bed against everyone else, atp any team would be unconfident, as sen were -> loud regained form

idk what you're on your team is so stale and boring lmao

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just say that your team needs to put in some work lmfao. and L take targeting the team I support, you wouldve cried your balls out if I called out your glorious team in 2022-23, and also we're in playoffs not you so cry about it

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Well geng were in an easy group so their form didn't matter they went 3-3 and got back their form in playoffs on the other hand sen were in a very hard group and had they got to playoffs they would've qualified

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The only bad loss for Sentinels was the choke against EG. I still think that they can come back in form and make it to Champs.

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so many threads and posts bashing/trolling sen for their throw against eg and even Lev too and also for missing play-offs, and even posts like they were lucky to win Madrid and also is one of worst fall-off... and you're saying they got a bail?

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Lucrix

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im not taking ANYTHING away from sentinels winning madrid. i respect them for that and i liked the storyline of tenz finally winning again and zellsis finally being able to say he's lifted a trophy

this is mainly for the delulu fans who blame it on lack of a break

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Klaw69

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No I meant they got enough bashing they needed for their underperformance. Just don't expect that from most sen fans cause they'll defend sen. Each of their matches had like 3-4 days of gap between them in split 1 whereas in Masters they had to play matches under a day so lack of break shouldn't really be that big of an issue. I feel their throw against eg affected them way more than it should've been which resulted in their eventual loss in the 3rd map and the following loss against Loud.

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Nah bro it is a lack of break, GenG looked just as sloppy + they lost to all good teams and also went 3-3, they had a similar run to sentinels except they were in a fraud group and make playoffs 1st seed so they only had to beat Drx who honestly choked

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Sen aren’t playing much worse then Geng tbh, I feel like Geng would have also lost to lev and loud, don’t know about the eg game

Also the only decent team GenG have beat is Drx who did the classic choke

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not really, GENG just looked marginally better than DRX when it came to mid rounding. I don't really like using the term choked because it takes away the credits from the winning team

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they got juiced out tryharding a mickey mouse tourney 🤣 unlike geng who have consistent players.

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americas is harder than pacific. even still, geng had to grind and barely got through

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GENG are in playoffs meanwhile SEN............ lmaoooo
and geng fans never overhype team and players like karon is the best in the world

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SEN doesn't have enough discipline and lost the hype (SEN bundle blah blah). Their belly got full after winning a trophy, so they got lazy and unmotivated. Plain and simple. Their true form and characters will reveal in Split 2.

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Their true form and characters will reveal in Split 2.

Does this mean you think they'll go back to being a top team in split 2 or the complete opposite?

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donkkomong

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They still have potential to be a top team Internationally, but I dont think they will. Maybe top3 in Americas. It depends on the meta and their vibes through the season.

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1.https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/1921/champions-tour-2024-masters-madrid
SEN played 421 rounds
GENG played 328 rounds (that's 100 rounds less played in that tournament alone)

SEN has been scrimming since champs last year when they were trialing with johnqt
if SEN won 2 more rounds on bind against EG and qualified for playoffs would you have the same opinion?
compare SEN to a team from the same region that played the same amount of games against similar teams (no one even comes close)
if you don't wanna count off-season tournaments then why EDG performed poorly in Madrid?

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americas is quite literally worse than pacific right now why are people living in the past in this thread furia would unironically get stomped by GE im not exaggerating. GenG was better than SEN even at madrid they just choked the GF and anyone who is saying SEN and GenG are playing at the same level right now dont have eyes GenG would not lose to EG i promise although both are in worse form than madrid.

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Simple answer to all this..
GenG are simply better.

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they both ended 3-3 lol, it's literally the format

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Because one is in Pacific (the worst league other than China), and the other is playing in the most competitive league.

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Sen just got lucky in Madrid, they aren’t that good and now it’s showing

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phm04

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nah they were pretty good but they've slumped for quite some time now. Everyone has high hopes for them in split 2 so we'll see, they should be able to return to that form by then

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APAC better than EMEA to be fair but they don’t have the quality depth that Americas have

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geng went 3-3 finished 1st in their group

had t1, secret, ge, and bleed in their group

sen finished 3-3 finished 4th in their group

had kru, c9, nrg, and g2 in their group

apac and americas are not the same