WHAT IS A MAJOR

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cocoluna

A major is an international Riot sponsored event. But Champions hold more value as they have Cosmetic Items and more teams.

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champions is a major, not a single elim mickey mouse fucking lock//in lookin ass tournament

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Im just getting tired seeing you on my screen. No anger or annoyance. Just tired.

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Prontera

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A lot of people feel same as you are rn when they see u here.

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cocoluna

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But why? Just because of bad format it doesn’t count? So the many csgo majors that have had bad formats dont count? Did NIP fluke because their group stage format sucked in Cologne?

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technically speaking, the format of the tournament wasn't the only thing different, but also the lack of merit-based qualification into it. LOCK//IN was more of a "showmatch tournament" (as it was explained by Riot executives) in order to introduce the IL (international leagues) teams to the viewers.

Anyone that says LOCK//IN is on the same level as Masters simply lacks understanding of competitive play & formats.

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cocoluna

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Ok so unless otherwise stated A riot sponsored event is a major

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Major and minor come from CS and are dictated by scale (prize pool) and competition

Using that logic Lock in = exhibition event to showcase franchise teams with half the prize pool of a masters. Not a major

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Nah it's only if it's a valve sponsored event. There is literally no debating this. The prize pool determines the tier of the event on liquipedia nothing else. Iem cologne is not a major unless valve sponsors it nor is katowice or any of the other events

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I did not say what is and what is not a major, because that term does not exist in Valorant. What I've explained is coming from Riot themselves: LOCK//IN was not to be compared to a Masters tournament, nor did it try to be one. Simple as that. You're trying to argue something that wasn't even debated by me, must be quite bored...

But since you're so bored, let me tell you that "Majors" (the term created in CS) did not require Valve involvement (that's a thing introduced in 2013). CS had Majors starting with early 2000s, and they were supposed to meet a certain criteria (based on competitiveness and prize pool money). According to the logic that you're trying to use, Riot being involved in an event (which by the way, is most of the events altogether in Valorant, everything is a major in your mind) has no bearing in calling an event Major or not.

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the word Major I would assume originated from golf as golf has masters which count as a major and the highest level of golf has 4 majors each year. To decide if a tournament is considered a major as the word is subjective almost everyone in golf determines if people internationally from many different regions and countries come together and compete with a decently large prize pool. In those terms Lock//In would count as a major.

I see ur argument also states that it was considered a showmatch tournament but would a showmatch still dictate things like region slots in future majors? The two majors/masters each year as riot said the winning region will receive an extra slot and because this year we only had 1 why did lock//in dictate the extra slot if it wasn't a major?

Lock//In was only 100k short of masters in 2021 which is considered a major so does a 20% decrease in prize pool make a tournament no longer a major?

Last point which is important is that Majors are S+ or S tier events right? Lock//In was considered an S tier event on liquipedia and by tournament standards.

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Also, a tournament being a qualifier for another tournament does not equal both tournaments being on same level. I know even you can figure that out

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did u even read what I said?

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jkjkjk

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I did, unfortunately, you have not read what I wrote.

"I see ur argument also states that it was considered a showmatch tournament"

Take it up with Riot executives, not with me. It's not my argument, they said these things themselves. I'm not sure why so many people here are trying to fight over this characterization like it wasn't something already settled by Riot at the time LOCK//IN took place.. you guys are sometimes a different kind of stupid.. Go fight with Leo Faria, not on vlr.gg

Also, the term Major is from CS, not from Golf.

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Zerphyr1

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where did they say it was a showmatch? I still can't find any link or any video of riot saying that lock//in is a showmatch when I ask people

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jkjkjk

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Sounds like you didn't watch the event...

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Zerphyr1

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I asked a question. Can you please tell me where they said this?

continue thread →

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Just because it isn't the same level doesn't make it not a major. It is a Riot sponsored event on the international stage with some of the most competitive teams in the world playing, most of the big names that were here this time, and there were stakes even if they weren't as high. The level of competition at LOCK//IN is higher than at 2021 Champs yet we will consider Masters 2 a major. It's not an argument.

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Okay here is a ranking of all vct events

S+: Champs
S: Masters, Lockin
A: VCT EMEA/AMERICAS/PACIFIC
B: Ascension events
C: Regional VCT Challengers

So champs not a full tier above

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🫵🤡

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cboomer

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lockin is a tier lol

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Barbatos

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Exactly.

It works like this:

1 Champions = 3 Masters

1 Masters = 1 LOCK//IN

LOCK//IN = VCT AMERICAS/EMEA/PACIFIC

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benmaimoon

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1 champions = 3 masters??
tell me the reason

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poweredjay

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are you saying 1 masters = regional league bro

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jawn

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champions is worlds
masters is msi
lock-in is lcs

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moshimoshiman24

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a major is in csjoe which tarik won

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samhatts

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I find it so funny that americas people say lock-in isn't a major. I garuntee that in the other world that Loud won lock-in it would be a major in their eyes

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Nope...low prize pool (Fnatic get the same amount of prize money with TL, Prx, and Loud for win their league), no qualification (every team can compete, unlike any other tournament hosted by Riot), and has a worst format. It's weird if anyone called that tournament as a major (regardless who are the winner), except Riot said that.

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cboomer

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it was a show match rofl

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Zerphyr1

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Riot said what and can you link me what they said and where they said it?

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Zerphyr1

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so true tho

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if its an international event with riot sponorship and "tier 1" teams playing in it. thats a major

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brobeans

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champions = masters. although there are slightly more teams in the playoff round of champions, the total teams competing (through qualifiers) is the same so it doesn't really matter.

lock-in is completely different in a vast number of ways that prove it is a show tournament. even rito called it a show tournament or kickoff event

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cocoluna

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Yeah this is a good take!

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it's

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