https://imgur.com/a/jcVDuQF
Look at the difference in viewership. This is crazy. Riot please don't host in these dead regions where your viewers cant enjoy it. ~50% of the viewers are just gone. Just go back to good regions, please.
*EDIT: SORRY FOR SAYING CHAMPIONS 2023 MEANT MASTERS 2023
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Problem with current time slots. Pt.2
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Agreed. 9 PM Tokyo time would be beneficial to US and Europe. I don't see why that wasn't plausible. These time slots are just so badly thought out. It's not the problem of regions (baited) it's the problem that Riot cant time slot them better. As if players and viewers in APAC/ASIA cant watch the game at 9 PM.
A 7-hour BO3 Valorant game? I agree though that pushing it back to something like 5-6 PM would be better. Good thing we can all work out arguments and find timeslots that work for the most popular regions whilst also integrating new regions into the space. All I'm saying is these times are not well thought out. Why have the games at 2:30 APAC time when most APAC/Asian watchers are at work or school? Why not just have it at 5-6 PM where they are likely off school and where Americans can watch before going to work or school?
Why not fuck na for one event. The master Copenhagen was fair for America and Europe but bad for Pacific And the peak was 780k. I can guarantee that this master will surpass that and create a good foundation for future event. I am already sure it has passed Copenhagen with china but we don't know the numbers.
The stats are still in favor of Masters 2022. Seeing as the game's average player count went up by 500,000 and the view count between each tournament has risen every time (except for this time). I can say that these time slots do not favor viewers.
Here is the viewer stat page: https://twitchtracker.com/valorant/statistics
These times don't favor functioning members of society for APAC viewers as well. You might not have a job, but other APAC and Asian viewers do. Not only can a lot of Asian viewers not watch it because of jobs, but western viewers also cant either. Just make the time at 9 PM Tokyo time. That way people are off work and westerners can watch at 8 AM.
I agree, the comments made were just bait. I'm really just asking them to make the timeslots more watchable for the main consumer (western countires). Refer to this thread I made earlier:
"Agreed. 9 PM Tokyo time would be beneficial to US and Europe. I don't see why that wasn't plausible. These time slots are just so badly thought out. It's not the problem of regions (baited) it's the problem that Riot cant time slot them better. As if players and viewers in APAC/ASIA cant watch the game at 9 PM."
I suggest that they should host at 9 PM Tokyo time so viewers in the West can watch at 6-8 AM rather than 2 AM.
People on this thread are jobless and dumb. Most functioning people cant watch the games at 2:30-3:30 pm (for most Asian countries) because of work and school. Yet I recommend a way better time slot 9 PM where most people are off school/work and can easily tune in whilst also being a lot easier to watch for westerns they just downvote. Literally less than 50IQ in this thread.
I guess you right. I was just saying that time slot would work for me as I work at 9AM, however after some research, it appears 6-7 PM would be better as the average American goes to work at 7:45 AM. My point still stands. The timeslots could use some work
I think 6-7PM for the first game and
8-9PM for the second game would be the best for all regions.
this site is better for viewership https://escharts.com/tournaments/valorant/vct-2023-masters-tokyo-valorant
it still way less than most events.
I feel like riot changing regions every year is pretty good. Like pacific people had to watch during 1:30 am and shit so now americans and others experiencing the same thing wont affect much.
Valorant is looking for publicity and advertisement rather than viewer count atm. Let them do their job. Pretty sure they have their reasons and its not like they simply came up with the timings like ahh fk it we can start the event when its morning for tokyoites and night for americans.
Unless you actually think they did..
Apac literally has the least amount of views, speaking business wise it is definitely the best choice unless you're too braindead to see that. Look up and see which games had the biggest viewership go on, yes, na and south america. NA and south america had to stay awake until 3am and 5am respectively so dont come here and say this is stupid you fucking mutt
Are you one of those braindeads that think the little fire in the chinese stream website are viewers? are you braindead? Loud vs edg got like 75k people max, what the fuck are you talking about idiot? Look up and see the 2 most watched matches its literally loud vs and loud vs. As i said business wise its the best choice to start at 9pm, do you think riot makes more money from people watching their LIVE SPONSORING or buying a fucking ticket for 50 bucks? You're too one-dimensional, think outside of the box riot is here to make money, this is the best choice.
There's a middle ground. 9PM local time is dumb, yes, but 12PM is not much better either. Why not start it at 3-5 PM like Pacific League? They already figured it out and then decided to change it to the worst possible option. It's literally called "dead hours" in some streaming community since it's the worst time for streaming, it's bad for every region except maybe if you live in the Pacific Ocean.
So yeah, congrats to all 20 aussies and kiwis vct fans I guess, Riot somehow decided to pander to them.
I agree, let's start it at 5-6 local time. But you're inflating these numbers. The longest BO3 in playoffs yet was 3 hours (https://www.vlr.gg/220443/team-liquid-vs-edward-gaming-champions-tour-2023-masters-tokyo-ubqf/?game=132700&tab=overview) Let's suppose we get 2 in a row that 6 hours, your off by 1-2 hours. If we start at 6 local time it will be 7:00AM for EST. Much better than 2:30AM and the Asian viewers wont be at work or school! Hopefully this clears it up!
The 'dead regions' part of the initial thread was bait. I have no problem with events being hosted in APAC/ASIA I just think the timeslots are terrible. For one the viewers in China have school and work at 2:30 PM so they will be forced to miss a game and a majority of NA/Europeans won't stay up till 2:30 AM-4:00 AM for Valorant. Thus I think there should be games from 5-6 PM and 8-9 PM. Thus incorporating all of the regions makes it a lot more inclusive for the majority of the people.
I just think the company should think about trying to appease all there viewers. This change is so simple and helps so many more people, even the Asian viewers say these timeslots could be better. 71.8% of people in china work so I don't understand why we can't just make the timeslots 6-7 for the first game and 9-10 for the last game. Would help all regions.
thing is though, think about it this way, if u were ALWAYS having to stay up to 2-4am for games (like most people in other countries have to apart from UK/EU/US for some examples, u will lose interest in watching BECAUSE they are on at such an inconvenient time for you.
what riot has done isn't perfect it's putting a band aid on a massive problem, but there's no real "good answer" to time zones, it's just how it works sadly, u can say "oh they should always do this bc this is where viewership is highest" but that's like looking at kills in-game and saying it fully decides who played well or not, that's just logically not how it works, riot want to include the whole world BECAUSE if they include the whole world, they don't have any enemies and on top of that, every country has sponsors wanting to sponsor them, among multiple other reasons those are just a few.
I know for some viewers who only think about the viewers this may be hard to swallow, but riot are looking out for themselves, not the viewers with these calls, as much as it's sad, it's how a business works and it's how a business will always work, Even other games like CSGO and Rocket league still host in different places for majority of their events, it's just how the esports business works, it's the same as the Olympics or the football world cup, people bid to host it, blank accept 1 bid and then that country hosts it, same concept here, i'm personally unsure if countries bid to host val or cs, etc but i can assume it's still based on some logical reason like exposure or viewership, etc why they end up going to different places, u also gotta remember u don't end up figuring out what the best course of action is without messing up and getting low viewership or low returns.
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