https://imgur.com/a/jcVDuQF
Look at the difference in viewership. This is crazy. Riot please don't host in these dead regions where your viewers cant enjoy it. ~50% of the viewers are just gone. Just go back to good regions, please.
*EDIT: SORRY FOR SAYING CHAMPIONS 2023 MEANT MASTERS 2023
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Problem with current time slots. Pt.2
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DjOOII_213 [#3]seems like a kid drawing more than statistics.
Every time I bring statistics up in one of these threads, everyone disregards it. They are devoid of intellect, it's necessary. If there's anything that I need to clear up I will. LMK
kirito5133 [#5]Can we compare with Copenhagen that seems more fair cos both of them are masters. You can't compare champs. Lock in was the first event with franchise league.
That's why LOCK/IN is there. The game has grown a lot since Masters 2022, it wouldn't be a fair comparison. However LOCK/IN vs Masters is very fair, if not in favor of Masters.
iloveEG [#7]That's why LOCK/IN is there. The game has grown a lot since Masters 2022, it wouldn't be a fair comparison. However LOCK/IN vs Masters is very fair, if not in favor of Masters.
no its not? lock ins have 32 teams masters 12
cocoluna [#2]These times are rough. I’m not staying up to 11 to watch Valorant. Maybe if it was like at 7AM
Agreed. 9 PM Tokyo time would be beneficial to US and Europe. I don't see why that wasn't plausible. These time slots are just so badly thought out. It's not the problem of regions (baited) it's the problem that Riot cant time slot them better. As if players and viewers in APAC/ASIA cant watch the game at 9 PM.
iloveEG [#7]That's why LOCK/IN is there. The game has grown a lot since Masters 2022, it wouldn't be a fair comparison. However LOCK/IN vs Masters is very fair, if not in favor of Masters.
Doesn't seem fair to me. Lock in was the first event of the franchise league. People were more hype for lock in than masters. Let wait and see the final didn't happen yet
kirito5133 [#11]Doesn't seem fair to me. Lock in was the first event of the franchise league. People were more hype for lock in than masters. Let wait and see the final didn't happen yet
The stats are still in favor of Masters 2022. Seeing as the game's average player count went up by 500,000 and the view count between each tournament has risen every time (except for this time). I can say that these time slots do not favor viewers.
Here is the viewer stat page: https://twitchtracker.com/valorant/statistics
iloveEG [#12]The stats are still in favor of Masters 2022. Seeing as the game's average player count went up by 500,000 and the view count between each tournament has risen every time (except for this time). I can say that these time slots do not favor viewers.
Here is the viewer stat page: https://twitchtracker.com/valorant/statistics
doesnt matter what bullshit stats u pull, its simply delusional to think that riot will always host in western countries. even in league of legends they will alternate between korea china europe and NA
acels [#13]doesnt matter what bullshit stats u pull, its simply delusional to think that riot will always host in western countries. even in league of legends they will alternate between korea china europe and NA
NO every tournament should be hosted in places or times that is convenient for ME
Selfish APAC fans think they can get matches in their timezone once every 3 years? Disgusting fr
acels [#13]doesnt matter what bullshit stats u pull, its simply delusional to think that riot will always host in western countries. even in league of legends they will alternate between korea china europe and NA
I agree, the comments made were just bait. I'm really just asking them to make the timeslots more watchable for the main consumer (western countires). Refer to this thread I made earlier:
"Agreed. 9 PM Tokyo time would be beneficial to US and Europe. I don't see why that wasn't plausible. These time slots are just so badly thought out. It's not the problem of regions (baited) it's the problem that Riot cant time slot them better. As if players and viewers in APAC/ASIA cant watch the game at 9 PM."
I suggest that they should host at 9 PM Tokyo time so viewers in the West can watch at 6-8 AM rather than 2 AM.
acels [#13]doesnt matter what bullshit stats u pull, its simply delusional to think that riot will always host in western countries. even in league of legends they will alternate between korea china europe and NA
The problem is it's bad for Asians too. It's literally ranging from 10AM to 12PM in most of the big asian countries. People have life in weekdays bruh.
Dybala21 [#17]Stay up buddy, it’s not that hard to watch games at 2 am
Say that to the 50% of viewers that stopped watching, I'm sure they'll start to tune back in.
babysasuke [#15]NO every tournament should be hosted in places or times that is convenient for ME
Selfish APAC fans think they can get matches in their timezone once every 3 years? Disgusting fr
These times don't favor functioning members of society for APAC viewers as well. You might not have a job, but other APAC and Asian viewers do. Not only can a lot of Asian viewers not watch it because of jobs, but western viewers also cant either. Just make the time at 9 PM Tokyo time. That way people are off work and westerners can watch at 8 AM.
iloveEG [#19]Say that to the 50% of viewers that stopped watching, I'm sure they'll start to tune back in.
well that's what we fucking did
KaedeTsuneta [#18]The problem is it's bad for Asians too. It's literally ranging from 10AM to 12PM in most of the big asian countries. People have life in weekdays bruh.
People on this thread are jobless and dumb. Most functioning people cant watch the games at 2:30-3:30 pm (for most Asian countries) because of work and school. Yet I recommend a way better time slot 9 PM where most people are off school/work and can easily tune in whilst also being a lot easier to watch for westerns they just downvote. Literally less than 50IQ in this thread.
I feel like riot changing regions every year is pretty good. Like pacific people had to watch during 1:30 am and shit so now americans and others experiencing the same thing wont affect much.
Valorant is looking for publicity and advertisement rather than viewer count atm. Let them do their job. Pretty sure they have their reasons and its not like they simply came up with the timings like ahh fk it we can start the event when its morning for tokyoites and night for americans.
Unless you actually think they did..
iloveEG [#4]Every time I bring statistics up in one of these threads, everyone disregards it. They are devoid of intellect, it's necessary. If there's anything that I need to clear up I will. LMK
most intelligent EG bandwagoner
iloveEG [#23]People on this thread are jobless and dumb. Most functioning people cant watch the games at 2:30-3:30 pm (for most Asian countries) because of work and school. Yet I recommend a way better time slot 9 PM where most people are off school/work and can easily tune in whilst also being a lot easier to watch for westerns they just downvote. Literally less than 50IQ in this thread.
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iloveEG [#23]People on this thread are jobless and dumb. Most functioning people cant watch the games at 2:30-3:30 pm (for most Asian countries) because of work and school. Yet I recommend a way better time slot 9 PM where most people are off school/work and can easily tune in whilst also being a lot easier to watch for westerns they just downvote. Literally less than 50IQ in this thread.
what about Americans. They don't have work or what?
Stratie [#27]what about Americans. They don't have work or what?
I guess you right. I was just saying that time slot would work for me as I work at 9AM, however after some research, it appears 6-7 PM would be better as the average American goes to work at 7:45 AM. My point still stands. The timeslots could use some work
I think 6-7PM for the first game and
8-9PM for the second game would be the best for all regions.
iloveEG [#19]Say that to the 50% of viewers that stopped watching, I'm sure they'll start to tune back in.
if the games are at 2am it would be fine for me. but 5am is awful
iloveEG [#10]Agreed. 9 PM Tokyo time would be beneficial to US and Europe. I don't see why that wasn't plausible. These time slots are just so badly thought out. It's not the problem of regions (baited) it's the problem that Riot cant time slot them better. As if players and viewers in APAC/ASIA cant watch the game at 9 PM.
LMAO. Just start the games at 9pm local time. Don’t worry if it goes until 4am and there’s no trains to bring anyone home. Also you have to pay everyone double their normal rates cause you have them working nocturnally for no reason.
iloveEG [#12]The stats are still in favor of Masters 2022. Seeing as the game's average player count went up by 500,000 and the view count between each tournament has risen every time (except for this time). I can say that these time slots do not favor viewers.
Here is the viewer stat page: https://twitchtracker.com/valorant/statistics
this site is better for viewership https://escharts.com/tournaments/valorant/vct-2023-masters-tokyo-valorant
it still way less than most events.
ajwinner [#33]LMAO. Just start the games at 9pm local time. Don’t worry if it goes until 4am and there’s no trains to bring anyone home. Also you have to pay everyone double their normal rates cause you have them working nocturnally for no reason.
A 7-hour BO3 Valorant game? I agree though that pushing it back to something like 5-6 PM would be better. Good thing we can all work out arguments and find timeslots that work for the most popular regions whilst also integrating new regions into the space. All I'm saying is these times are not well thought out. Why have the games at 2:30 APAC time when most APAC/Asian watchers are at work or school? Why not just have it at 5-6 PM where they are likely off school and where Americans can watch before going to work or school?
loloscum [#37]Apac events are fine if riot used their brains, no reason for games to start at 12 fucking PM, literally no reason. If they started like 8-9Pm most people would be able to watch, here in south america it'd be 9AM, far better than staying up till 12AM, 3AM and 6AM..
Do you idiots not have brains. Are you seriously suggesting to start an esports event at 9pm local time? 3 full best of 3s is around 7 to 8 hours. Do you seriously think they should run the event till 5am local time?
Warlordwibz [#38]
- This is INTERNATIONAL GAME
- Get ready for Masters Shanghai Buddy
The 'dead regions' part of the initial thread was bait. I have no problem with events being hosted in APAC/ASIA I just think the timeslots are terrible. For one the viewers in China have school and work at 2:30 PM so they will be forced to miss a game and a majority of NA/Europeans won't stay up till 2:30 AM-4:00 AM for Valorant. Thus I think there should be games from 5-6 PM and 8-9 PM. Thus incorporating all of the regions makes it a lot more inclusive for the majority of the people.
ajwinner [#39]Do you idiots not have brains. Are you seriously suggesting to start an esports event at 9pm local time? 3 full best of 3s is around 7 to 8 hours. Do you seriously think they should run the event till 5am local time?
Apac literally has the least amount of views, speaking business wise it is definitely the best choice unless you're too braindead to see that. Look up and see which games had the biggest viewership go on, yes, na and south america. NA and south america had to stay awake until 3am and 5am respectively so dont come here and say this is stupid you fucking mutt
iloveEG [#40]The 'dead regions' part of the initial thread was bait. I have no problem with events being hosted in APAC/ASIA I just think the timeslots are terrible. For one the viewers in China have school and work at 2:30 PM so they will be forced to miss a game and a majority of NA/Europeans won't stay up till 2:30 AM-4:00 AM for Valorant. Thus I think there should be games from 5-6 PM and 8-9 PM. Thus incorporating all of the regions makes it a lot more inclusive for the majority of the people.
timeslot + viewership who cares? just add all events and average out the numbers, everyone from all region can suffer a tiny bit equally no big deal. Also the viewer in china, you should google "lying flat movement"
ajwinner [#39]Do you idiots not have brains. Are you seriously suggesting to start an esports event at 9pm local time? 3 full best of 3s is around 7 to 8 hours. Do you seriously think they should run the event till 5am local time?
I agree, let's start it at 5-6 local time. But you're inflating these numbers. The longest BO3 in playoffs yet was 3 hours (https://www.vlr.gg/220443/team-liquid-vs-edward-gaming-champions-tour-2023-masters-tokyo-ubqf/?game=132700&tab=overview) Let's suppose we get 2 in a row that 6 hours, your off by 1-2 hours. If we start at 6 local time it will be 7:00AM for EST. Much better than 2:30AM and the Asian viewers wont be at work or school! Hopefully this clears it up!
iloveEG [#36]A 7-hour BO3 Valorant game? I agree though that pushing it back to something like 5-6 PM would be better. Good thing we can all work out arguments and find timeslots that work for the most popular regions whilst also integrating new regions into the space. All I'm saying is these times are not well thought out. Why have the games at 2:30 APAC time when most APAC/Asian watchers are at work or school? Why not just have it at 5-6 PM where they are likely off school and where Americans can watch before going to work or school?
So just one bo3 a day? Why have it during working hours? Maybe because people have to work to make it happen. There are literally hundreds of people working on the show. You can’t just have them working late into the night.
Warlordwibz [#42]timeslot + viewership who cares? just add all events and average out the numbers, everyone from all region can suffer a tiny bit equally no big deal. Also the viewer in china, you should google "lying flat movement"
I just think the company should think about trying to appease all there viewers. This change is so simple and helps so many more people, even the Asian viewers say these timeslots could be better. 71.8% of people in china work so I don't understand why we can't just make the timeslots 6-7 for the first game and 9-10 for the last game. Would help all regions.
loloscum [#41]Apac literally has the least amount of views, speaking business wise it is definitely the best choice unless you're too braindead to see that. Look up and see which games had the biggest viewership go on, yes, na and south america. NA and south america had to stay awake until 3am and 5am respectively so dont come here and say this is stupid you fucking mutt
China has much more viewership than NA and SA. You’re the fucking mutt if you can’t realize why starting an event at 9pm local time is a bad idea without someone telling you.
ajwinner [#44]So just one bo3 a day? Why have it during working hours? Maybe because people have to work to make it happen. There are literally hundreds of people working on the show. You can’t just have them working late into the night.
No have the first game at 5-8 PM and the second one at 8-11 PM. Hopefully, this clears things up!
iloveEG [#48]No have the first game at 5-8 PM and the second one at 8-11 PM. Hopefully, this clears things up!
They use days with 3 best of 3s
iloveEG [#48]No have the first game at 5-8 PM and the second one at 8-11 PM. Hopefully, this clears things up!
Why not fuck na for one event. The master Copenhagen was fair for America and Europe but bad for Pacific And the peak was 780k. I can guarantee that this master will surpass that and create a good foundation for future event. I am already sure it has passed Copenhagen with china but we don't know the numbers.
iloveEG [#45]I just think the company should think about trying to appease all there viewers. This change is so simple and helps so many more people, even the Asian viewers say these timeslots could be better. 71.8% of people in china work so I don't understand why we can't just make the timeslots 6-7 for the first game and 9-10 for the last game. Would help all regions.
you could take a nap with the time it took you to type out and link all this babble and then you could stay up to watch the games. Just a thought
ajwinner [#46]China has much more viewership than NA and SA. You’re the fucking mutt if you can’t realize why starting an event at 9pm local time is a bad idea without someone telling you.
Are you one of those braindeads that think the little fire in the chinese stream website are viewers? are you braindead? Loud vs edg got like 75k people max, what the fuck are you talking about idiot? Look up and see the 2 most watched matches its literally loud vs and loud vs. As i said business wise its the best choice to start at 9pm, do you think riot makes more money from people watching their LIVE SPONSORING or buying a fucking ticket for 50 bucks? You're too one-dimensional, think outside of the box riot is here to make money, this is the best choice.
iloveEG [#43]I agree, let's start it at 5-6 local time. But you're inflating these numbers. The longest BO3 in playoffs yet was 3 hours (https://www.vlr.gg/220443/team-liquid-vs-edward-gaming-champions-tour-2023-masters-tokyo-ubqf/?game=132700&tab=overview) Let's suppose we get 2 in a row that 6 hours, your off by 1-2 hours. If we start at 6 local time it will be 7:00AM for EST. Much better than 2:30AM and the Asian viewers wont be at work or school! Hopefully this clears it up!
Yea 6pm would be good too, far better than starting at 2am in na
kskm [#49]world doesnt revolve around you + Riot is trying to increase viewership around the world - if it means there is a dip in viewership in the popular regions it will be made up by the developing regions like APAC/China/OCE over time.
agree, taking away CS viewers from EMEA, mobile game viewers from SEA, MOBA games from East Asia r the goal. God knows what OCE plays.
ajwinner [#46]China has much more viewership than NA and SA. You’re the fucking mutt if you can’t realize why starting an event at 9pm local time is a bad idea without someone telling you.
There's a middle ground. 9PM local time is dumb, yes, but 12PM is not much better either. Why not start it at 3-5 PM like Pacific League? They already figured it out and then decided to change it to the worst possible option. It's literally called "dead hours" in some streaming community since it's the worst time for streaming, it's bad for every region except maybe if you live in the Pacific Ocean.
So yeah, congrats to all 20 aussies and kiwis vct fans I guess, Riot somehow decided to pander to them.
kskm [#49]world doesnt revolve around you + Riot is trying to increase viewership around the world - if it means there is a dip in viewership in the popular regions it will be made up by the developing regions like APAC/China/OCE over time.
It's not good timing for Asians too, still too early people have jobs, school, etc. It's only good if you live in the Pacific Ocean, aka all 20 vct fans in Australia and New Zealand.
nutab1e [#52]you could take a nap with the time it took you to type out and link all this babble and then you could stay up to watch the games. Just a thought
But it was 6 minutes apart and a simple Google search! Can't believe an EG fan would be so feeble-minded!
thing is though, think about it this way, if u were ALWAYS having to stay up to 2-4am for games (like most people in other countries have to apart from UK/EU/US for some examples, u will lose interest in watching BECAUSE they are on at such an inconvenient time for you.
what riot has done isn't perfect it's putting a band aid on a massive problem, but there's no real "good answer" to time zones, it's just how it works sadly, u can say "oh they should always do this bc this is where viewership is highest" but that's like looking at kills in-game and saying it fully decides who played well or not, that's just logically not how it works, riot want to include the whole world BECAUSE if they include the whole world, they don't have any enemies and on top of that, every country has sponsors wanting to sponsor them, among multiple other reasons those are just a few.
I know for some viewers who only think about the viewers this may be hard to swallow, but riot are looking out for themselves, not the viewers with these calls, as much as it's sad, it's how a business works and it's how a business will always work, Even other games like CSGO and Rocket league still host in different places for majority of their events, it's just how the esports business works, it's the same as the Olympics or the football world cup, people bid to host it, blank accept 1 bid and then that country hosts it, same concept here, i'm personally unsure if countries bid to host val or cs, etc but i can assume it's still based on some logical reason like exposure or viewership, etc why they end up going to different places, u also gotta remember u don't end up figuring out what the best course of action is without messing up and getting low viewership or low returns.
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