CS:GO boomers claim tier999 csgo pros own Tier 1 valorant pros. How true is it? Isn't s1mple stuck in immortal? ScreaM got diffed by LOUD. Tarik thinks he's oldge(excuse). Shroud is memeing aroud random games and says no good fps(excuse). Stewie2k grinding on ranked. Aren't these guys one of the best csgo players?
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tarik literally winner of 2018 major https://liquipedia.net/counterstrike/ELEAGUE/2018/Major
there are several players that have won majors with questionable skill and decision making, is the major the most prestigious cs event? yes, is the grand slam hard to achieve? yes, did these players achieve such feats alone? NO, it was a team effort, stewie definitely helped Liquid out to get that GS but he got hard carried, as to 2018 major, c9 was never as good as they were before or after that event, they had insane plays and insane luck and against all odds, they won against Faze (niko shitting the bed and GuardiaN doing all the hard work) but does this mean that stewie and tarik are the best of the best? no, no fucking shot, the best are still playing CS and they are far more skilled than tarik or stewie
never in my life have i read such a load of bullshit.
You claim to know about CS but really you dont, you seem to just look at the stats in games and think thats the end of it.
For example someone like Perfecto who doesnt get the "stats" his play shows but is still considered the best in the world at his role.
Hooxi, will bottom frag in every game, but look what he has done to G2, hes taken them from the nearly men to winners.
This can be the same for CS in years gone by, the fact that NoA.method wasnt allowed to buy any grenades because his sens was too high and couldnt aim them properly. Still doesnt mean he was a bad player, it was NoA who dominated the scene at the time using this.
3D winning CPL 2005, they wernt the best team or best individual players. They just completely changed the meta with forcebuys and deagle ECOs. Sometimes its the out of the box thinking that makes you great not your personal skill
Dude valorant is a new game compare to other fps game...surely the majority of pros comes literally from another games, including CS GO (more than 60% was from CS GO). So surely, if any team won the tournament, they will have an ex cs go player.
However, being good or winning anything in CS GO does not mean you will also be good or win anything in valorant, because the two games require different skill set. That's actually my point.
I got your point, but If some guy who is a CSGO tier 1 player nowadays goes to Valorant he will surely at least be better than majority of t1 players aimwise + decision making. His only worry would be to learn the utility and timing.
You still see alot of basic mistakes coming from players in tier 1 like overpeeking alone in higher number of alive people (this one is the more frequent and gets me stressed more than others), peeking before the drone/flash/smokes set, picking utility/knife in open angles and other amateur shit like those. Like, WTF!?? I don't see a tier 2~3 CSGO player commiting those mistakes and I'm not even trolling.
Look at b4rtin. He was a tier 2~3 in CSGO back in 2022 and went to 00 nation.
His first tournament, playing a difficult role and he is top 12, bcz he plays knowing and applying those basic FPS concepts. Sadly his team didn't got to playoffs, tho.
In term of aimwise, probably yes. although is not a guarantee (i've seen s1mple lose 1 v 1 against Cned, although its only for a content tho). But like you said, timing and utility is also important in valorant. Its not like every one can doing it wisely (even in T1 valo pro scene we still see pros make a mistake with a util usage). And there is no guarantee any t1 CS GO player can do it properly.
"If some guy who is a CSGO tier 1 player nowadays goes to Valorant he will surely at least be better than majority of t1 players aimwise + decision making" --> im replying to this bro, and I made it more clear before by using a term aimwise.
I make s1mple as an example since he is absolutely a tier1 CS GO player that play valorant casually.
tbh there are better riflers than him but his main thing that seperates him from others is his consistancy. Guy is a top tier rifler and awper. Most players tend to do one or the other.
Niko - rifle
monesy - awp
yekindar - rifler ,etc.
I think it's why there's been big contention between zywoo and s1mple, because they're both great with both weapons, but both lean more towards awp than rifle.
with this statement i do agree, CS players are much more like machines when they play and they go for the least theoretical mistakes and sure yea you could say that would get them far, but in a game like valorant often times those teams dont even succeed for long. 100T and Gambit were the epitome of that very playstyle and they made 1-2 events and never reached that same level again.
the concept of ult orbs, the utility, the random gunplay, the basic maps, and so much more makes it so that it becomes far too easy for the opponents when you dont often make risky plays. You can all too well take over a game with just util if you can pinpoint the location of your enemies based on the way they make decisions.
I cant say for sure tier 1 players would do bad but just as well i cant say theyll do good moving over to valorant.
This game is a completely different skill set
Bro, even here you're not gonna get much support flaming CS. We can all pretty much admit that CS is a better eSport than VALORANT.
And yes. Lower tier CS:GO players are better than lower tier VAL players, because of how old CS:GO is. Tier 2 is a mix of retiring ald players and up-and coming new players in cs. T2 in Val is just new players trying to make it with some exceptions.
honestly just saying they csgo players would be better than valorant players, or that s1mple is stuck in immortal means nothing
games are similar, yes, and a lot of concepts from cs apply to valorant (and valorant players would do well to apply them more consistently) but they are different games
it isn't about "csgo players are better", it's about teams that understand and apply consistently csgo concepts in valorant are starting in advantage
nitro couldnt remain at the very top and left for an easier opportunity at NA cs lol. same with autimatic, could never even reach tier 1 in valorant, forget reaching an international tourney. gobb from eu same, could never reach top 5 of emea and thus shifted to coaching a cs team, like how pathetic
nitro went from winning First Strike and placing 3rd in Masters to getting grouped in CSGO and carried by a Latvian import in every aspect.
Also, he was not tier1 when he switched (liquid were in a terrible state) and nor is he tier1 now, he's just carried by tier1 players.
Autimatic on the other gave this game like what? 3 months? And then went back? Also EG rn are tier50.
Wait until he learns that nitr0 was one of the better players in val when he left for a game he prefers playing. ALso wait until he learns that nitr0 was the igl and duellist for 100t most successful run at an event.
I think the main thing people forget, is quite a lot ex-CS pro would swap back to CS if they had a good opportunity. Mainly as that's the game they prefer, but went for a better option to make a living.
It's the same shit about working a good paying job you hate, instead of a lower paying job you love.
Val is by far not a shit game. It's highly likely that riot will make it the biggest fps esport in the world. Valve has proved time after time that their primary focus is Dota.
Both games are their own thing. Val is Val, cs is cs. Both games are great, and good esports. People just need to look at things objectively instead of defensively.
nitro left coz he couldnt remain an international tier 1 player, 100t didnt qualify for champions and that is why he left early, also why are you just then ignoring the other player mentioned. stfu and acknowledge being good at cs doesnt mean shit. valorant is mostly a new game, and a young cracked overwatch prodigy has the same shot as making it big as a veteran csgo pro.
first, I mentioned nitro because statistically he could hang at international level. He was the second best player on 100t at the time with asuna being at his fragging peak. Him staying on val is something he said he liked because CS requires a lot of travel. He also said he wanted to travel less because he just had a child a few months before he left. This is why people were surprised he swapped from val to CS, especially go to a t1 team at the time, and travel. This is why I believe he went more for passion, than because he couldn't "hang" in val.
do you mean autimatic or gobb? Gobb was statistically a decent player on valorant. Not the best, but by far not the worst.
He also went back to CS because he preferred the game. He said so on stream, plenty of times.
Autimatic, I dont think anyone expected anything from him. Guy was in a huge slump on cs and never recovered his peak from 2018.
He looked decent on val, but nothing special. I agree with you here that he just didn't adapt to the game better than others.
Also acknowleding that being good at cs doesn't mean shit, is honestly a retarded take. Being good at CS helps you adapt to a game that is literally using the same base formula for the game. The same with overwatch, and fortnite pros. They adapt easier to games because they have the mechanical skill to be above the majority of people. CS pros just have an advantage over them because valorant follows the same mechanical formula as CS. Does this mean CS players will be the best at valorant, no. Does this mean they have a slight advantage, yes. Will it mean a CS pro is better than an overwatch pro at valorant, no. Not at this stage of the game.
Also if being good at cs doesn't mean shit, why're majority of the top mechanical players in val, all cs players? there are a few outliers, cNed Mwzera, etc. However the common theme amoungst the T1 scene, is ex cs players. I'm not even a CS player and I can see how CS pros have adapted and ran the game since switching. Will it stay like this? No. Overwatch and fortnite players will take this game over in the future. I'm placing my bets on the current 10-13yr olds who are grinding ranked away everyday. This game will be exactly what CSGO was like with 1.6. first few years 1.6 pros ran the game, and then people who were too young to play 1.6 a lot, turn up and start cementing themselves in the pro scene. That's what will happen. you'll get people who have been spamming ranked the past few years, hit 16 and go join teams and grow as a player. That's what this scene will become. Vets will fade out, and new talent will come in. Be it from overwatch, from cs, or from fortnite. New talent will always overtake the veteran.
People seem to forget that most t1 cs players would adapt to val in a few months and start to outclass a lot of players.
Hell, KennyS looked like a demon after a couple months of playing, and was rumoured to joining OG for awhile. The guy with the op looked so fucking crisp and clean with it. we could only imagine what he'd achieve if he didn't go to falcons.
I was hoping he'd swap to val so much. It would be great watching someone who was actually relevant and at the top of the world for awhile. Plus just his gameplay was insane when he streamed. Albeit ranked, but his mechanics and op skill looked insane.
Also kinda glad he didn't sellout and go val, and went with his passion. Fair play to the dude for wanting to grind CS out again.
Why don't people realise that Valorant and CS:GO, outside of the genre and shooting mechanics, are COMPLETELY different games? You can't be pro in CS:GO and expect to be as good as your CS:GO self in Valorant, and vice versa. Both games have contrasting playstyles and stuff. Everyday I go onto vlr I lose braincells lmao
yeah in some cases some peoples playstyle doesn't work in both at the highest level, if a young tier 1 cs pro switches with the attitude that he will try to adapt to val mechanics the best he can and learns the util etc he could easily play in at least ascension level in 6 months max and tier 1 ready in a year max
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