na biggest problem

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we have no raw aimers
for a while we had yay, but after chamber nerf he became a regular pro
guys like tenz and cryo will have their bursts of insane shots, but dont compare at all to guys like derke, suygetsu etc
so whats the plan?
we put nrg in a controlled environment in which time moves 800% slower.
we keep them there for 2 months playing aimlabs
can you imagine FNS with aspas aim?
your move, chet

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Zekken?

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zidmz

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lowkey forgot abt him
but do you think he is top tier aimer?

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Yessirskiiii

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Yes i do

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he either the best or worst.

hes rlly young so he can swing between being rlly inconsistent. when he walked out to face fnatic he looked so nervous so he didnt play to his full potential.

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Stay on that side lol

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enri

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People will hate me

Sinatra>>zekken

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silentwylan

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....We still saying this in 2023

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I dont think the problem is raw aimers. The problem lies with consistency and not having a deep agent pool for a majority of players on franchised NA teams.

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No, NA has zero good sentinel players. Who's the best actual sentinel? Guard Net. Sentinel in NA is basically a wasted position.

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we were dependent on using chamber as sentinel so when they nerfed him the only players that were able to adapt were teams that never used him in the first place

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we have dasnerth. he posted on twitter that hes on a team and is currently bootcamping in LA. truly NA's last hope

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were doomed 💀

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Hahahahaha

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dasnerth is a good sentinel player in my personal opinion. he's on par with babyj.

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I think partly its because a lot of your IGLs play sentinel. FNS, stellar, boostio and now dephh. Very rare to find a sentinel IGL in EMEA but instead they have no S tier smokers because a lot of the IGLs play smoke or initiator.

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BRO FORGOT BABYJ LUL. Goat of sentinels

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avepalto

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who?

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crashhacker1

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good point

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It's mostly because the best IGLs play sentinel so they push fraggers out of that role and onto other things. IMO Leaf has a chance to be an elite sentinel player(tho it looks like he'll go back to duelist). Wippie, Mitch, Moose, Dapr, Xxif and NeT are all pretty elite on the role, just are stuck in T2 because NA teams had less slots and prioritize the IGL role at sentinel while EU prioritizes it at controller(also why EU has no good controller players in comparison to NA). Stellar and Johnqt are the only two that frag a lot atm, which is why I'm confident John will end up being one of the IGLs that move into T1 first. Nillyaz, Zexrow, and Brax are next up of the unsigned/pure T2 players at the role and they still have potential to have a guy like Leaf turn into a true world class sentinel, but rn I think they have way too few spots to compare to Suygetsu, Nats, and alfajer and the rest of EU.

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we have joshua "steel" nissan what are you talking about bro

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keener1600

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Aproto, Johnqt, Moose, Dapr, Net, XXif, Mitch

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can blame it on chamber btw all good NA sentinels on ascension or F/A right now (dapr, wippie, nillyaz, add3r, android, net, zexrow, etc) on emea good sentinel players kept playing sentinel agents and thats why some emea teams seemed better on this meta (suygetsu, alfajer on kj, nats, meddo, monsterrr, cender, etc).

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ppl really do be sleeping on thwifo

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trent

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zidmz

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https://www.vlr.gg/85524/the-guard-vs-optic-gaming-valorant-champions-tour-stage-1-masters-reykjav-k-ubqf
https://www.vlr.gg/85532/paper-rex-vs-the-guard-valorant-champions-tour-stage-1-masters-reykjav-k-lr1

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? everyone has bad games

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randomperson

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off game, everyone has off games
i could find games where the players you said botfragged

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moatz

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look at this game from derke against a t2 team

https://www.vlr.gg/151594/acend-vs-fnatic-superdome-group-stage-r4

he's still a good player. one or two games doesn't define his career

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avepalto

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It's Fucking acend, not a random team
Derke is on skye against a cNed on his comfort pick

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moatz

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Fine then look at this

https://www.vlr.gg/151579/fnatic-vs-geekay-esports-superdome-group-stage-r2

1) Geekay Esports 💀💀💀
2) Raze

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237 acs still

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avepalto

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fair enough, you did your homework :)

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moatz

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w

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Na has more raw aimmers than eu

But they arent pretty consistent the mindset is horrible and they just wanna play duelist and be a star of the team

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Yessirskiiii

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Nah EU definitely has better aimers. Especially in the franchised teams

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Tenz and Zekken are raw aimers. They just need to pass thru the same discipline process Aspas and Less did under Saadhak and Sacy tutoring

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i mean u guys do have top aimers but they r just all on duelist

u guys just have the worst support players other than a few handful exceptions

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you know NA is a doomed region when someone as bad as FNS is stealing a pay check on the best team in the region

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Yessirskiiii

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FNS best IGL in the world put some respect on his name clown

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Skywarp

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did saadhak, boaster and stax die?

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Asuna_Yuuki

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FNS>

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zidmz

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calling FNS a paycheck stealer has to be the most obvious bait

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iamtheh

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Now this is a truly bad take. The only NA teams that have seen LAN success in recent times were all lead by FNS

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Skywarp

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FNS has the worst aim in tier 1 valorant, got carried by peak yay, crashies, marved. you could put babyj as igl and he couldve won with those players

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iamtheh

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At this point I cant tell if ur truly delusional or baiting.

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Spoken like a true silver player.

Yay after losing to DRX: "Individuals don’t win championships, teams do". FNS was the dude who set him up to get the kills. If you remove FNS from NRG I don't think they can do better. If you watch his streams he's really good at predictions and reading his enemies.

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LULE

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seems more like a problem with NA having less mechanically talented sentinel players compared to EU or BR

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avepalto

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NA players don't have the discipline some other teams like NaVi, FNC, LEV, DRX and Loud have. That simple.

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NA has no discipline.

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swayway

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True nrg is actually 1 of the worst teams in terms of raw aim

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Asuna_Yuuki

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How? Only weak link is FNS. People like ardiis, crashies, s0m were insane

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avepalto

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yeah cause ardiis is from NA, right?

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thiagomds

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You can buy the best teams , you can have the best roster and alot of good teams but you cannot buy force of will. It seems some NA players don't put max effort in the game.

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plenty of raw aimers but teams recycle old players and opt for experience instead. Sen won their lan with pure aim

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bro pulled out the gravity chamber from dragon ball

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leaf?

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zidmz

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what were you doing to find this thread