T2 na is better than na franchise

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I watched some matches and I feel like guard or m80 would win vs any team other than NRG, why are na franchise teams so bad?

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same reason why EMEA franchise is dogshit, clout orgs got spots over decent teams

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Clout orgs in eu are lulquid, fnatic and navi and they have decent rosters imo, g2 went to na so they don't count. I have never heard about rest of the orgs so idk whether you can call them clout orgs.

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Parla clears half of eu's franchised teams

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Yep true, they clear everyone in eu ATM except Fnatic and navi

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Fair. They got rlly close to clearing NAVI though

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kc is by definition a clout org. i think theyre literally owned by a giant french streamer
KOI - spain fans Lol
TH - spain fans Lol
VIT -well known rich org but mediocre roster

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Yeah, seems like I know only orgs that are more "international" in terms of fanbase and not country/region specific, I don't know shit about France or Spain, Vitality are well-known in cs but they have no good teams in other disciplines unlike navi fnatic liquid. (All have TIs, fnatic and navi have multiple cs majors(1.6 included), liquid have a grand slam etc)

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Vitality would be good if they replaced destiraion since they already have bonecold

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not gonna lie heretics, kcorp, koi and giants are all clout orgs.

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What we saw in Sao Paolo, was like a starter event, just showcasing all the teams managing to franchise this year. The teams' main focus is the Masters Qualifiers and the Masters itself. So what they are doing is just feeling how good the players are on their basic aim skills and what strats could be made on the go( since they are in different regions, scrimming is negligible) . They did use some bootleg strats just to check if they work against different regions. I think the teams will definitely show their true colours in those stages. For the T2, it is basically what they get, so they need to pump all the strats at this stage itself. Not taking anything from M80 or Guard, they are super good imo but on Tarik's streams the M80 guys said that they were getting bodied by a few T1 teams....so we need to wait and watch!!

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because SEN has to go vs fnatic and m80 has to go vs fucking OR Esports

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your point being? Sen played awful against FNC, they could have played against any T2 team and it wouldn’t make a difference

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yes because turtle troop are going to exploit sens weaknesses and misplays as much as fnatic

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my point was they played so shit it wouldn't matter who their opponent was, so yeah TTR would've probably won as well

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Youre delusional if you seriously think this.

I watched some NA tier 2 and my eyes are bleeding. Sentinels and even EG would smoke all these teams besides the guard if valyn isnt playing like a bot.

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same reason why EMEA franchise is dogshit, clout orgs got spots over decent teams

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because they are not playing fnatic and drx

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It doesn't matter who you are playing against when you have no good protocols, guard would 26-20 sen or 100t at this point

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the guard is good but they are the exception not the rule. Any other team in challengers is getting destroyed by the franchised teams.

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The Guard lost to TSM... not sure how you're so confident on those potential scores..

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Itsover

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Tsm have engh as a coach, I'm quite sure they are about to do decent damage to everyone in ascension

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You're overstating the impact that ENGH would have in this matter. TSM would lose to EDG for example, 8 out 10 times, simply due to the lack of fire power and experience.

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Tell me you don’t know anything about Valorant without telling me you know nothing about Valorant.

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you're right

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only the guard is better then na franchise
you could make an argument for the other invite teams but i only see them beating eg or sen