Who's the best initiator?
A Master winners in Crashies vs trent who has done nothing on the international stage (yet)
Imagine you grind and grind and win against the best teams in the world and finally win an international trophy (Masters) but later on you get compared to a kid in a Challengers team who has done NOTHING internationally. No matter how good you think trent is, he hasn't done OR proved anything on the big stage where it really matters.