t1 are washed | VLR.gg

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hazard25

as A fellow APAC enjoyer , T1 feels no where near DRX / PRX / Talon or even zeta .

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to be washed you have to actually be good to begin with

besides its their first few games. wait til lock in to see how good they are

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You should be happy tho, as prx fan & fellow sea

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why do some prx/sea fans have this animosity to kr lmao we have no problem with strong apac teams but its like every kr team has to suck for you guys and you only begrudgingly accept drx as a good team

why should prx/sea fans be happy t1 isn't a good team lol, we all have no trophies anyway. u have some weird fucking complex going on, I don't see shit like "as kr/cn/jp fans we should be happy GE/RRQ/TS/whatever isn't a good team"

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true i root for all apac teams against western teams

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W asia fan

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Gigachad take - I root for kr and sea against emea and na any day

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GE FIGHTING!

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true

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well just imagine if somehow t1,drx and geng qualified to master

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This is what im talking about

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they're still asian teams lol? the difference between T1/DRX/GENG and teams like TLN/ZETA/TS is exactly the same for an Indonesian fan. None of those 6 teams will have an Indo player, but I guarantee if a team like Talon qualified to Masters you would support them over a KR team. Dio is Indo as well, so I have no clue why he's decided to be loyal to a subregion instead of the entire continent lol

KR fans don't fucking care about tearing down teams like PRX/EDG when they qualified lol, this is like something only some of you weird af sea fans do. actual weird like inferiority complex or sth.

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nah, u guys having three slots is just leave me with a bad taste (even it's nobody's fault), i'd rather root for EDG than t1 or geng

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lmao so now our teams get flamed because of something Riot did ok you're actually crazy

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y is bro salty?

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Ok but riot has long relationship with kr orgs so for initial franchising this was pretty obvious. If ur right they won't expand in ascension at all bc other apac will take expansion slots. Regardless why hate on kr because of business decision? I'm apac fan as long as it's not zeta - nuturn was my original fav team back when JP was a joke.

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I have no feeling about loyal to a subregion or to a continents. Tbh, I don't really care that much about talon, it's just, if they are playing bad, other fans would shit talk sea, not apac, not kr. Even kr fans would trashing SEA, sea so bad, etc.

I only support the players from my country and their team, nAts team, and the guord. I don't really care if kr or jp team winning something

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if talon play bad this year people will just shit on apac you moron lmao, it's the apac league now. People already say "ASIA KEKW"

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shit on apac

I hope so, we don't know yet, if it's happen, then I don't care about Talon either

moron

Chill

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Let be fr here, it is not about SEAs vs KRs, every countries in Asia hate each other till their bones long before the game even exists.

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I don't hate KR. I don't like them either. It's neutral feeling

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There are few asia beefs as strong as JP vs KR - and tbh fck that racist shit I will always root KR over western teams - I've been a fan since cs like solo, peri, glow. Before any of us got on the map, they did.

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No hate, but the stronger KR team, the less chance sea team (RRQ, TALON) even GE, going to Master Tokyp

I want every possible sea team going to master

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why SEA and not Asia lmfao, there's no actual SEA region anymore it's literally just the Pacific league.

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SEA >KR/JP anyday korean teams except drx are all weak af u can just take example of t1 in that.

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not this shit again

16-17 APAC vs KR map score at LCQ 2021
2/3 KR teams in top 4 at LCQ, 1 JP team 2nd place

https://www.vlr.gg/112290/xerxia-esports-vs-northeption-valorant-champions-tour-stage-2-masters-copenhagen-elim-b
https://www.vlr.gg/161161/zeta-division-vs-paper-rex-riot-games-one-pro-invitational-showmatch-zeta
https://www.vlr.gg/130625/boom-esports-vs-zeta-division-valorant-champions-2022-group-stage-elim-b
https://www.vlr.gg/85535/zeta-division-vs-paper-rex-valorant-champions-tour-stage-1-masters-reykjav-k-lr3

I'm not saying KR is a better region than SEA, nor am I saying SEA is better than Korea. As you can see it's pretty even. How about you just support Asia as a whole? I bet you probably called DRX the last hope of Asia at Champs a month or so ago.

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he has no right to talk rn

no india team has ever qualifed to master/champions

and u need to stop getting baited LMAO

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i feel pretty passionately about supporting Asia as a region instead of these petty subregion discrimination. It's a pathetic inferiority complex or something. A guy from Indonesia will claim a Thai team as his own but not a Korean team for....reasons...?

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Not really claiming.

It's just, if they playing bad, other fans would shittalk us (whole sea fans). It's just give slight bad feeling, so I slightly prefer Talon than kr or jp

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Just because asia tends to be toxic and racist doesn't mean we should accept.

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did i mention india anywhere ? how dumb are ppl i said Sea.

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Look who is talking motherless kid of a fatherless nutsucker nutab1e, You have no right to talk shitty because we are talking about Pacific league and Indians are part of it not some NA shitter. Take your superiority complex to somewhere else, and restrict yourself to NA scene because you have NO RIGHT to be talking about ASIA in general lol.

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the only relevant player you have is harbor no one plays his ass lmao. Oh wait curry but he is NA.

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yeah so about that

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JiangLi

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whos "we" here
literally all the "kr" users blindly hate on sea and for some reason think their one team region is superior or some shit
also even in sea literally everyone shits on each other , its not even related to one specific region

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"literally all the kr users" he says, to a kr user who is proving him wrong

also even in sea literally everyone shits on each other , its not even related to one specific region

how does this justify anything, that's like saying all people are racist so it's ok?

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JiangLi

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aside from you who else then ?
Also comparing it to being "racist" is js not the same thing .
Shitting on a region which gets all the chance and is still weak is not wrong for me

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Sprouts is pretty chill about it, no?

"all the chance" bro, KR has had 1 slot since Champs 21, they have always had to start in groups since the start of VCT, meanwhile other regions got byes into playoffs. How is this getting all the chances lol

and considering we've only had 2 slots for one tournament during the entirety of VCT, getting top 3 twice with two different teams is a pretty decent achievement. Not a weak region, but I take it you're one of those fans that I was calling out in my original post eh?

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who would've imagined KR has one slot because they are just one country just like Japan
APAC however was not and consisted of many countries
Also KR challengers prize pool is literally the highest in all the Challengers in the whole Pacific , not even APAC challengers got even close to it and still it saw the highest participation of teams across every single country
Like bro it should give you the idea how popularity was so low in KR that it had less team participation than Challengers Singapore ( literally the smallest region in apac) and you saying we had 1 slot lmao . Also these sub-regions got a prize pool of just 1.5k-4k compared to 90k for KR
Like viewership for Taiwan challengers ( another small sub-region) reached like 4-5k + those times but Kr was stuck at 2-3K
Like apac was so cutthroat that even if you make it out these small sub-regions like HK/TW , SG , VN then you have to fight against other countries . Atleast you always had a direct spot to the highest event there was since start and saying top 3 is achievement ? Sure bro
Can think of me a hater of whatever . Feel free

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Yeah, if you're a team in APAC you could argue you have a harder path with more teams to face against for a lower prizepool, that's fair.

But it's so blatantly obvious that Riot wanted to take advantage of the Korean eSports powerhouse, like they did with LoL. Obviously that doesn't excuse or change anything but it's not like we asked Riot for the higher prizepools or anything.

I don't get how getting the highest prizepool and APAC having more teams somehow means KR has all the chances, though. APAC gets 2 slots still, and from what we've seen of APAC teams not called PRX/XERXIA, their teams don't do pretty well on LAN. Full Sense, BOOM, shit, even XERXIA doesn't really have any super impressive results.

I think if some of the other qualified APAC teams had good results there'd definitely be an argument to APAC being a stronger region than Korea, but as it stands PRX is the only team from Asia to make it past top 8, whereas Nuturn and DRX have each made Top 3 twice. I consider that a decent achievement.

But like I said, in the end we all have no trophies, and if even the pro players are friends with each other and get along fine why shouldn't we lol. I'd rather only take flame from NA/EMEA fans than have to deal with petty squabbles amongst Asian teams.

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Yeah and im not blaming you for all the things RIOT is doing . From the start im actually only blaming RIOT .
But saying things like " 1 slot " is just straight up delusional . Like bro obviously APAC will have more than 1 team or you want it to be like LCK ? There are like 10+ countries competing in val on sea alone
Korea esports powerhouse sure , but we talking about val here and a direct slot with high prize pools literally does mean good chances .
Yeah teams other than PRX dont rly got impressive results and we alr know about this but this not in anyway corelates to how much slots they should get . X10 also did quite well in Champions 2021
Also top teams performing well is hardly the thing which determines how strong a region is . There is T2 and active team participation at each levels and also new good F/A's coming up which rly determines how strong a region is
Also no trophies and taking flame from other regions is a diff topic and not what i was arguing about

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NOW KISS

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nah bro im all about that spicy competitiveness

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I don't think that's the case, I think that T1 has been playing as a team for less time than any of the teams that are there, maybe at1 can be top 4 but they need to improve their retakes a lot.

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T1 is practicing in Since November

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t1 have been together for almost 2 months now, sen have been together for a week now

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this is obvious

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1 team

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I feel like t1 aren't playing this game like a tactical fps At all. Most of they're doing things solo and taking aim duels not properly trading.

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bruh they somehow got worse than the guard series LOL....

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Yeah like I understand they're new team. One guy they have just switch from OW 2 months ago, but their tactical fps fundamentals look so lacking. Like when they execute site and not trading.

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JiangLi

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They did quite bad but it's not as bad either since they are a new team currently
but yeah i expected this

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If they want to be competitive in kick off, need to have someone instead of carpe.

Dont think he got enough experience at this level yet.

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I think that if sayaplayer leaves T1 and rejoins TGRD he will become the indisputable top player of all time

ex-t1 buff squared is simply too overpowered

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Who tf is Carpe and how's he starting on a franchise roster

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certified paycheck stealer lol.... He should not be starting there is no way they thought he would adapt that fast

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pally

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In OW league sayaplayer and carpe are goated don't know here tho

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Saya's been grinding valo since a decade tho and he has proven himself on guard so he deserves a spot

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t1 roster makes no sense, ban on smokes ??

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Don't decide anything on one event let them play masters

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role issues is already there... anyways asia will dominate these frauds

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Even secret

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really? the last time i saw them play they dismantled EU franchised team.

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That was a BO1 match. SRN and SBE will do much better

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nahh NCG? I can agree with SBE but NCG only popped up in that tourney

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Nah we didn't see sbe or srn played at an international level so, I doubt that. in SEA yes but with eu or na? nahh

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No I mean they'll do much better in that tournament

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Yep, but I doubt they beat Team Heretics like what secret does. but who knows ey..

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Bro mb, i mean even secret can beat t1

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that goes both ways. I still believe in t1 and what they're capable of, we'll see that soon.

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its a new team just like Netonation, give some time.

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talon？ are u serious？

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You guys underestimate talon yes sscary is not here but if pati gets a chance.. you gon see

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They are a new team and Carpe is new to the game and ban is still adjusting to his role. So I would say give them some time. But according to me this roster has a huge potential and will come good once everything sets in. I predict them to finish in top 4 in Apac by the end of the year.

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I honestly thought they would be solid, but their comps, saya only on neon, carpe going to recon initiator when xeta is play flashes now just seem weird. They still have a month so we’ll see and plus its a mickey mouse tourney so idk

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HeyClassic

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I will remain a Carpe & Xeta stan

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everyone’s overreacting lol

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They played 1 lan lmao. Give the guys time. Carpe has more lan experience than most of these young, "pro" valorant players. I'm sure he has enough game sense and IQ to pick up his role after some time. No one here is born a pro at anything. It takes hard work and time to become good. You tiktok, adhd kids need to realize things take time and not 5 seconds. A bunch of children saying they are washed. Hopefully, you guys don't start working at a company and get fired for making 1 mistake. You don't want corporate leaders calling you out for being bad at your job on your first week right? Get some life experience and then share your opinion. Glad team decisions aren't made by brat kids.