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idkbro

How is this team fair? They have 2 bots as subs, they still trash heretics playing only using their aim and almost beat 100T. How fucking good can these team be with nats who is probably a top5 player atm and redgar as igl? Way better than Fnatic in my book

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Bro is riding so hard, he is having a convo with himself

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stfu xset dog

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idkbro

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stopped readingt at sheahhhh

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stopped reading at Kru 2-0

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sentinelmain377

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stfu fudu

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team_liquid_fan_v2

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no bias but liquid with nats and redgar is easily #1 in EMEA

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idkbro

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easily #1 in the world and I say this as a NaVi fan

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burritx

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Loud owns liquid

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Delusional_SA_fan

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caunzin and tuyz raw aim doesn't match up to sayf and jamppii

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burritx

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KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK

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unknown_trash

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are you laughing in agreement? because sayf and jamppi simply diff these two randoms.

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burritx

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come to brazil for kick off, i'll personally take a photo of you in despair after liquid gets their ass beaten by loud

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unknown_trash

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You expect me to come to Brazil for you??? You're not that special bro.

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burritx

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no I expect you to come to brazil for valorant

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Datboy0127

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No one is coming to brazil after that world cup performance

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Delusional_SA_fan

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those little kids are just like asuna , cant hold their nerve for the big matches

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lorenzopajaroFC

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Maybe, but most probably it’ll happen like last time and they won’t even face each other because loud won’t fall to the lower bracket like these EMEA teams

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i agree bro they can go so far they are winning while playing ranked.
once redgar fixes them up and nAts just owns the world, too easy for kickoff
also they are improving with every game, good to see

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For me it is top 1 in the world for enough and a Heretics fan says it

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patuj

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If they had full roster they would have been rolling this tournament

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100% they were very close to 100T with the 2 subs

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Psion

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100t dominated map 1, map 2 was very close, and 100t were in control (leading or tied every round except 1) on map 3, it wasn't that close.

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hekzy

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Just taking a map with two subs is insane. Or very concerning for 100t. Imo it's the second one.

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Psion

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those 2 subs are both tier 1 players, its not like it was at reykjavik where the subs were a tier below with fnc

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hekzy

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Meddo and Enzo are not tier1. I'm sorry but that's such a big lie. Enzo was by far the worst player on fnatic and meddo is a reject.

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Brain_Needle482

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I would agree with you, but ascent is known to be one of their worst map, I don't think it means much if they lose ascent. If anything it just shows that need to work on ascent.

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6vine

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??? Ascent was one of their best maps in LCQ wtf are you talking about?

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Brain_Needle482

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What are you smoking, how is ascent their best map, they lost to TSM twice on that map, lost to Xset and Faze on that map and fnatic. It is no where near their best map. They only won that map two times against a good team and that was only on LCQ

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6vine

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Had a 3-1 record in the LCQ and the only time they lost, it was a massive choke from 3-9. No way you are considering Stage 2 results, that roster was literally a month old 💀

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Brain_Needle482

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If you think stats only from LCQ are enough to determine which is 100t's best map, you are surely mistaken (that is what we call cherry picking)

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6vine

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Keep coping

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This core of 100t has 38% winrate on ascent, every other map is way above that. I really haven't said much this tournament on here because anyone thinking this shows anything other then teams trying stuff out is braindead. There is really nothing on the line besides LAN practice.

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6vine

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Why tf are you counting stage 2 results, the roster was literally one month old

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SatanLovesYou

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Because that's the stats? lol, ascent is their worst map.

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6vine

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Holy copium 💀 Their best map in LCQ is apparently their worst map. 100T hasn’t banned ascent a single time and it’s their worst map? Sure buddy

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Prontera

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Vineyard, drink water. ascent isn't 100t best map xd

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patuj

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Liquid is missing their IGL and top 1/2 sentinel player in the world. If this game was this close while Liquid plays with 2 individually relatively weak subs with week of prep they would have likely dominated the game with full roster.

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Psion

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u lost all credibility when u called the 2 subs liquid had weak, both tier 1 players

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patuj

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They are weak. What? How can you call Meddo and Enzo as sub duo strong? Enzo was putting up worse individual performances than Boaster and Meddo was arguably the weakest on G2 with players like Mixwell and Avova (outside of playoffs where he always activated). Theres a reason neither of these are in franchising. Enzo maybe deserves his shot in KCorp but that isn't because of his invididual skill. nAts alone would put up better performances than these 2.

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Dertyser

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Let's wait for brazil shall we

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copium

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seankuku

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I also agree that liquid is #1 in EMEA and fnatic will underperform again cause fnatic have a curse in valo Xd sadge

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idkbro

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fnatic have no curse, just shit igl and coach

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vollizie

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Meddo a bot? You on something

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He isn't teir1 worthy

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Cheddar

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Who is IGL? cus I know Redgar has been a good IGL in the past. But hard to judge when u have someone else calling every round.

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firo

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redgar is igl, sayf is igl in this tourny

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firo

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nah put some respect to the subs, theyre definitely not random tier 5 players. tho isnt this the classic liquid story still getting wins even with no igl/have standins? would be cool tho to see the new roster.

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idkbro

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enzo and meddo are crazy bad, they both shouldnt have ever gotten to a tier1 level, same as mistic/l1nk/ec1s and other paycheck stealers

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Lugnam

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I mean they're usually pretty good players but look at the stats, Enzo is the lowest rated player in the entire tournament so far.

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yungbasel

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Pretty much on point take.

There's literally no proof that liquid would have won more games if they had the full roster. Of course the full roster is better, and Enzo and meddo are certified MID.

But that doesn't mean liquid would have been better.

EMEA is coping at the moment because we looked shit this event.

No conclusions can be made about liquid as NO ONE HAS SEEN THST ROSTER PLAY. HURTS BUT IT'S TRUE

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SilentCypher

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I mean you're replacing one of the absolute best players in the world and an international Masters winning IGL with 2 flexes.
Not saying they are bad, but nothing possibly in EMEA from the free agent could come close to filling those 2 spots.
It isn't about replacing 2 players or 2 roles, it's about which 2 players are to be replaced..

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yungbasel

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What you said it is true, but it has nothing to do with my point. Not a guarantee that they would have performed much better, because it's still a new team. On paper, I'd like to believe they would, but zerooo proof.

Let's not forget old liquid beat M3C in LCQ VERY convincingly. Don't know why people are acting like nAts and Redgar are cheatcodes.

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firo

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except they at least pracc with their new roster and had very little time to prep with the subs, that has to have some effect.

but yes i agree, these are all relatively new teams working in a new system, changing more than 1 member of the team is a big one

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Psion

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almost beating 100t is getting destroyed map 1, very close map 2, and 100t being in control the whole game 3

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Powercvrd

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100t were barely in control game 3

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Psion

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they were tied or leading for every round except 1, they were in control

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Interesting take BUT you called me the N word on this site in April

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Faraday

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Liquid beating two shit teams and losing to a good team

TEAM LIQUID IS SO INSANE

We have no way of knowing how good they are, please stop and seek god

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babysasuke

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I found him and he said "TL will never be an international contender"

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Faraday

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If you found him you wouldn't have a faze flair and you wouldn't spend your time baiting on vlr

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Ryuji

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true that 😎

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GAGAZ

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why russian cannot play in EU tournament?

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Katharize

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Visa issues for redgar and nats I think

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my_fav_team_is_M3C

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nAts is #1 player in this game
Chronicle arguably is #2

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Number_1_Sheydos_Fan

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nats chronicle and sheydos are all top 10 players easily

tho tbh yay derke cned or tenz are as #1 as nats is

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Dertyser

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Bro said tenz

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Number_1_Sheydos_Fan

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we are talking about 2021

2022 tenz is horrid

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Pengu12

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Bro they are great players but havent even played a lan this year calm down

You can make an argument for nats #1 Sentinel but we have seen chronicle not playing his best cause he had to fill in for D3FFO

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Kk0bra

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Stopped reading at idkbro

Like seriously why are ur takes so absolutely dogg

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Brain_Needle482

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Lmao

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benthy_sear

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losing to KRU lmfayeoooo

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Ryuji

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still better than C9 loosing to Fokus with sub 💀

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SigmaMale

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c9>kru
kru>tl
c9>tl LMAO
quick maffs

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Cheddar

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Getting slapped by Kru now. Classic VLR moment.

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KyLZi

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Nats and Redgar are goats. I am sad they couldn't compete this event.

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DarkLNM

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100 thieves diffs them hard

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I think they should have brought ScreaM and Nivera back as loan for this tournament.....Some people might say they are already in a new team but as this is not an official tournament adjustments can be made right???

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Psion

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how is this team fair? even with 2 tier 1 subs they couldn't beat KRU?

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idkbro

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meddo and enzo are not tier 1 lmao

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Brain_Needle482

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stop coping lol, just say you didn't have the roster at full potential and that is it. Stop just coping and saying the subs are not good, you could not win a game because you are missing two of you main roster players

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idkbro

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meddo and enzo are not good, do you even watch valorant?

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Brain_Needle482

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do you, their at least tier 1, maybe not top tier but they still are tier 1. You don't beat all of EMEA with 4 tier 1 players and 1 tier 2 players just saying (talking about Fnatic if you couldn't tell)

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idkbro

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enzo wasnt even good in t2 and meddo is average even in t2, fnatic won because they have two tier 0 players, also EMEA teams were shit last year so not hard to beat them, only fpx was a serious team last year

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Brain_Needle482

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COPE HARDER LMAO. CRYING IS ALSO FREE

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Brain_Needle482

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I dont know what to tell you, nothing I say you will hear

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He might gave a lot of bullshit excuses. But meddo and Enzo aren't tier 1 players is a fact. Just because they used to play on tier 1 team doesnt make them automatically tier 1 players. They both very average and even struggling compete on tier 2 scene.

100T is a better team. Even with nAts and redgar, there's no guarantee the result will be any different.

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Psion

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they are tier 1 lol, maybe not tier 1 in NA since NA has way more depth now but they def are in EU

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LouBag

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Tell me you have never watched Valorant without telling me you have never watched Valorant.

Meddo played for Giants, FPX, G2
Enzo played in Champions for FNC

That’s what we call t1 little bro

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idkbro

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Tell me you have never watched Valorant without telling me you have never watched Valorant.

Both were shit, thats why they are not in t1 anymore lil bro, you can play in a t1 team but not be t1 level, those arent even better than some average t2-3 eu player

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Stop talking out your ass

Putting aside that Enzo was always on one of the top tier 2/1.5 teams (defining t2 as, non vct events), and as such him very much being "better than some average t2-3" pro, he did just fine for himself during his time in t1 (especially considering his main quality is being able to help out with the igl'ing due to being an igl for 1+ years):
-Reykjavik: best preforming player on fnatic
-Stage 2 Challengers: 4th highest rated in the entire tournament (like genuinely watch back fnatic vods during that time if you wanna see why he's a great player)
-Copenhagen: meh performance; middling every game really.
-Champs: and heres where you got your sentiment from if I had to guess, because ye enzo really didn't have a good performance here; its not "oh you arent t1 >:(" level but its def a harsh drop-off and he didn't look good anymore

And pretending meddo isnt a t1 player after how he ended his year is just disrespectful
-Stage 3 2021 (on giants): amazing performances against both guild and g2 (rest of tourney too, but those 2 games were the important ones)
-Stage 1: not a standout but also nothing to complain about; g2 finished 2nd comfortably
-Reykjavík: really bad... like just watching g2 in general just hurt during that event but meddo definitely wasn't helping
-Stage 2: a bad stage for g2, but meddo was doing fine for himself; that stage felt more like strats not working for them as a team
-Last Chance: meddo was a demon; amazing stats and (slight over-exaggeration ) solo winning the only map they got vs liquid. Meddo was just feeling it during that event.

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yungbasel

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by that logic, Curry is Tier 1 in NA.

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KyLZi

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Nah, we are talking about Nats and Redgar(igl). Both goats both are not comparable with the people that replaced them.

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theogblazen

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LMAO for those who were shitting on me for calling Meddo a nobody KEEP COPING

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yungbasel

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Stop coping, you're making our region look desperate lol.

Nats and regards didnt play a single lan in 2022, and you think they're just guaranteed to be gods. Chill