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meanwhile he still couldn't fix his private problems lmao!

i wonder why riot isn't investigating his case hard! you ask why? i tell you why! heretics and his mates must have known that there is something wrong with this guy and they haven't said anythng. they won so many games with bad players like paura getting free cheater information from niesow which played sova (cheaters best choice agent).

if the niesow case is no matter for riot, more teams will just mimic this bs! it was too obvious niesow cheated and got away with all that and riot doesn't care...

you cant tell me someone quit his job and closes the source of money he need just because he had private problems!

let's say he had private problems... what you call the problem not having a job, money income, can't pay rent, food? is this all not a serious problem for this cheater?

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if he cheated Riot would've covered it up 100%

imagine the shithousery of bad PR both Riot and Vanguard would get if the first ever EMEA champion was a cheater

for now it just seems to me he cheated, somebody found out and he just left the scene forever (i dont believe all "personal issues" bullshit)

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that's what everybody is thinking already. and people like yinsu also defended him and still do because he was "good guy" never seen him playing live or seeing him in person. actually i feel like teams should do some pressure to riot to do something about this because leaving this niesow thing untouched since then makes the game look like a clown fiesta. maybe also ban heretics from valorant for signing a person like him? people pointed out he was cheating in many other games before and still got away with free money.

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Or maybe pros know what really happened to him and don’t say anything to respect his privacy?

Do you really fucking think G2 and FNC who lost the semifinals to them wouldn’t complain if they had suspicions like you do?

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that guy owes the community an explanation about why + proof! i would never ever believe what he told to everyone after doing all this shit and leaving the scene as soon as LANs were announced! the timing of him leaving the scene was too obvious! there is an amount of unlimited fairy tales he can tell to the people to make it sound like it was something serious. he even told some people he will come back soon and he still reading this here and laughing at all the idiots who believed he was clean af.

@hiimnsk wouldn't surprise me if he makes a comeback if we see Covid-22/23 and have to go on other Lockdowns for many Years. I bet he would insta tweet "YOU KNOW WHAT? I AM BACK! SRY FOR THE WAIT MY LOYAL FANS! I COULD FIX ALL MY PROBLEMS AND HAVE TONS OF TIME FOR SOME VALORANT!"

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So every pro, caster and person from the scene defends him cause Rito ha payed them! They can’t keep a roster without being leaked but they can keep this massive conspiracy!

You’re telling me earth it’s flat rn

Also Acend Champions not fluke run, only team to ever defeat a cheater!

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let me guess, you are a former heretics fan xD

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Guess what, no G2 fan, still remember punching the wall after we lost that semifinal of First Strike. Also remember supporting Acend (RYE) to death in Masters 1 against them

I just have the bad habit of not excusing my teams defeats

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seems to me there is only one person with a fairy tale.

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NO. pros of anything dont owe fans anything no matter what they did. choose to support people or not, nobody owes me anything because i am their fan. respect peoples privacy you sound like a jerk. be grateful if you get what you want, be understanding if you dont, you are not being either

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yinsu is a silver and not an analyst, she is no better than us VLR analysts

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Guess what she also is. Boaster’s gf, who btw lost the final of the First Strike to Niesow and wow she must be very forgiving if he defends the guy who cheated against his bf when he was about to win his first relevant tournament ever

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I hit Diamond baby! :D I might get even better at playing the game but sadly it seems there is no cure to being as spiteful as you, i'll keep you in my thoughts <3 <3

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I REPLIED FROM THE WRONG ACCOUNT BUT THE SENTIMENT STILL STANDS LOL

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alt account detected
argument nullified

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I made an account agggges ago and misspelt my OWN name lmao, was an idiot, never used it, somehow it logged me into it rip

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Minor spelling mistake detected

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Well, Yin Suollins it's kinda funny ngl

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Hi yinsu, big fan, could you please convince boaster to join fokus? Thanks :D

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Still waiting for vlr to implement a name change feature so I can change to BabyDosa from SubDosa since Roza stopped playing raze

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wtf stop breaking the 4th wall

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Dw yin suollins. Chloe knows us vlr analysts are world class, it was a huge compliment. It's hard for us vlrgg users to convey normal things by using Google translate to translate from Chinese to English ever since we've all attained our Chinese citizenship. 我来自China，我最喜欢的球队是 Edward Gaming.

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Classic Yinsu

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lil bro this is 6 months old 😭

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Based take. +1

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Funny how some people here supports presumption of innocence in things like Sinatra case but can’t seem to be able to apply the same concept here

Not comparing one thing to another tho

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he never proved himself at LAN
he has cheated in other titles
he dodged all the possible LANs in previous titles with bs excuses
he dodged Valorant right after first LAN was announced

Looks pretty guilty to me.

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Sinatra decided not to collaborate with Riot during the investigation. Does that look guilty? Yes. Is he proven guilty? No. End of the case

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Not comparing one thing to another tho

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I mean not comparing the gravity of the matters.

Obviously comparing it in a smaller scale, if not I wouldn’t have brought it up in the first place

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actually in esports and sports in general you have to first PROVE yourself, prove that you aren't a fraud. He never did that. At the very least he is a dogshit onliner but that is just complimentary to the cheating scum of a persona he is.

I don't need to prove anything. he is already banned in Battalion 45 or however the fuck that game is called. He was accused in CSGO too. He has a track record of being a serial cheater.

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Shazham It’s the best player in the world he is just match fixing for money like he has in the past?

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shahzam never matchfixed? He just ratted out the matchfixers.
And guess what, he is still a rat. After so many years it still comes naturally to him.
Not a great example.

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Okay then, the point still the same tho different game different life.

How is he supposed to proof himself if he is gone tho? No one had accusations while he was here? He did nothing wrong other than leaving?

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Shahzam did bet and make money off the throwing, he just told valve to save his own ass

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he had bet before he learned it was fixed. when he found it was fixed he changed his bet

thats not matchfixing.

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keep telling yourself that buddy, there's a reason he's called ratzham

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Trust me I'm one of the most avid ratzam haters. It's just that it seemed like he never matchfixed himself, he was just a toxic rat. At least I haven't heard of any rumours of him matchfixing (on top of being the scum he is)

continue thread →

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I agree with the first part

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What’s the first pet and what’s the second one xD

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How people support the presumption of sinatraa’s innocence

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That’s all I said tho xD

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the difference is there is proof vs sinatraa
An audio clip of her clearly saying no, afterwards he said he'd release the video along w audio to authorities concerned but then he refused to do so (clearly told by his legal team it would only incriminate him further)

There is no proof vs niesow at all. Isn't it funny val community likes to boast about how good and amazing and insaneeeee val anti cheat it, cause they like clowning on csgo anti cheat, and yet this same amazing anti cheat never caught an "obvious" cheater like niesow after a year ? He was even likely investigated and they found nothing.

and don't even bring up the fact he got MANUALLY (aka by a human) banned in a completely different game then subsequently unbanned manually.
I'll believe it when i see proof. until then, niesow was simply a fucking insane onliner.

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also if cleo had the video like she claimed then sinatraa would be locked up unless the video was manipulative ( not enough evidence )

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perhaps you should send a strongly worded email.

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i think his private problem is really huge that it could take 5 to 10 years to fixed it
we can expect him coming back at 2030 or maybe 2035!

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his private problem will be fixed when theres no more lans and only online tournaments.

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Fucking bait title
I loved niesow
Sick ass player. innocent til proven guilty there is no proof so

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Uff we have here a g2 covered on the optic flag KEKW KEKW

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Cheater until proven otherwise 🙅‍♂️

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what's weird is the fact that his old coach and teammates still defend him

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How is that weird

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I'm 100% sure that even if he did come back and played a lan, people would still accuse him of cheating
Happened to Aspas after he won his first lan

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nope ur dead wrong

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Have you looked at these comments bro?
Literally everyone would call him a cheater even if he played lan

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nope they wouldn't

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no, that's literally the one single condition everybody is agreeing in terms of his innocence. nice gaslighting tho

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As if you can't cheat on lan

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It's super hard. It's a great indicator of validity. In the 1.6 days you weren't proven until you did the same shit at LAN.

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why niesow is a cheater:

he got banned in another game (without any definitive proof)
????

lmfao

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https://twitter.com/PhattFPS/status/1479187690386038787

still waiting his comeback

gonna be bigger than tOnz or Shroud

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I mean its suspicious that he seems to always dodge LAN’s in whatever game he plays but idk man Riot Vanguard is too good for him to have used any internal cheats at the time (ESP) but maybe he might have used a external cheat (triggerbot,aimbot) but these rumours started to show up at the same time a very well known pro in the Turkish community Nisay who was #1 Radiant at the time got banned for cheating so why wouldn’t Riot take action on Niesow so we can’t assume he cheated but we also have to consider the fact that he very much might have

My take on this is he is innocent until proven guilty but we must see him in a LAN before I can judge any further

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Riot banned nisay due to community pressure. and riot closed the topic by saying "he was found to cheat in a rank game" but everyone knew he cheated in pro matches too

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Everyone know he cheated in pro matches as well but wasn’t there community pressure to ban Niesow as well?

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no, the community in Europe is not as active as in Turkey. nisay was talked about in Turkey for months, memes were made and even then "0.25" was as popular as a Turkish word ("0.25" is a sign that a player is cheating. And that's why I love the Turkish community)

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You know what sliggy said about him? He refused to comment when I asked him in chat saying, “no comment”

That should tell you exactly what he was, A CHEATER.

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xD

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Hello bo , hope ur having a nice day(or night idek)

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Read above (55) sliggy said the same thing

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now, i think we can all agree on "Cheater until proven otherwise 🙅‍♂️"

fact:
he never proved himself at LAN
he has cheated in other titles
he dodged all the possible LANs in previous titles with bs excuses
he dodged Valorant right after first LAN was announced
Sliggy refused to comment when Hasanity asked him in chat saying, “no comment”

Conclusion: Cheater until proven otherwise

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Imo Niesow is not a cheater cause I trust vanguard and refuse to belive anyone can cheat for more that a month especially when u have to play as much as a pro player has to

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Kk0bra (unknown frequency) braindead take

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I hope u realize how impossible it is to cheat in valorant, the maximum u can cheat using of the shelf cheats is a week or 2 , yeah sure u can cheat for longer with custom cheats but to cheat for the amount of time niesow was, needs multiple constantly changing impeccably coded cheats , that needed incredible programing knowledge that I don't think niesow possess

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xd since when was cheat coded by the player
what the fuck is "shelf cheat"? :DDDDD learn english pls bro
"custom cheats" obvious you dont have a clue of what you are talking about cope harder niesoW cheated
vanguard is garbage and was even worse back then. he could easily work with a cheat dev and use external driver cheat for the amount of time he did
you can even use anti aim in valorant nowadays, just search "mosca valorant cheat" on youtube and see for yourself

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100% a cheater lol

theres active 1year+ undetected cheats in valo that just requires a mouse and a usb port

nieSoW coming back!

That should tell you exactly what he was, A CHEATER.