"Chamber is not a Sentinel"

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Shownu

I've seen this discussion every single day so I'll quickly clear things out why he is a sentinel.

What is a Sentinel?

Sentinels are agents that slowdown the push from an enemy execute.

How is Chamber a Sentinel?

Unlike Sage and KJ that use utility to slowdown pushes, Chamber uses his headhunter and operator to get kills that slows down the execute as enemies have to wait and use utility to clear the site and avoid getting killed again.

Slowing down the enemy and buying time can be through kills not just utility hence why Chamber is a Sentinel.

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broseiden

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tldr- i just said a whole lot of nothing

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Shownu

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Reading comprehension is hard.

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babysasuke

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copy paste warrior putting a lot of words out without any actual point

go back to sleep

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Shownu

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I'm out touching grass, idk bout you buddy eating burgers?

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babysasuke

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its 9AM, we wait until noon for burgertime like civilized human beings

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Shownu

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Burgers I eat all day, AK47 I can not spray, Europeans I have to pay, My brain has delay, you've guessed it I'm from NA.

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babysasuke

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little bit of casual racism is always fun :)

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Shownu

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You don't know the meaning of racism. Don't spout nonsense lad.

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WinterZ

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bro americans aren't a race wtf are you on about?

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babysasuke

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Now youre denying my racial identity even exists?

fucking weird bro

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WinterZ

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I'm not denying that Americans exist. I'm saying that they're not a race

continue thread →

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flag checks out

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WinterZ

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massive W idgaf if i get downvoted this man is speaking FACTS

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vadoshi

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almost every agent is the sentinel by this logic

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Shownu

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True but Chamber does it better than any other agent.

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TsoChicken

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This is wrong on so many levels, but even just by your definition of a sentinel alone; it would mean that not only are all agents sentinels, but controllers are best sentinels in the game. The role of a sentinel is generally defined by long-term information utility on top of ability to lock-down a site and Chamber rarely plays as an agent to lock down a site. A duelist is generally defined as an agent with a kit designed to isolate duels and assist in them and Chamber very obviously falls into that category especially now since his only informational utility is basically a KJ turret with limited vision.

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Shownu

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You've never seen a Chamber lock down a site with his abilities? He gathers information with his trap then gets kills and repositions to slow the pushes.

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TsoChicken

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I have seen Chambers lock down sites, yes - but the ratio I see Chamber being played to lock down a site in the competitive scene compared to Chambers going for aggressive plays on the defense or playing to get a kill and teleport out to play the retake is not even comparable to the ratio a Cypher or Killjoy would.

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williamm

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2 things.

First, yes, isolating duels is part of a duelist, but the other part is being able to entry into site and create space. Chamber is the worst agent in the game at entrying and clearing sites. Every duelist is far better than him, even phoenix. Only killjoy comes close to him, but she even has a molly ability to go in, cypher can create space with cages, all the smoke agents have their smokes, and skye/sova/kayo/fade all can clear angles and put pressure with abilities.

Second, chamber himself is essentially a kill joy turret, he places his alarm bot down on 1 entry, then stands on another spot to lock that part down, similar to a kj turret. It's alot more risk/reward than the kj turret, because the turret only gets chip dmg/info whereas chamber can get info AND kills/high damage or be killed.

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TsoChicken

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A lot of people hyperfixate on the duelist role being used to create space when executing on sites but there's way more to the role than just that - Chamber is obviously weaker than most agents when it comes executing onto sites. The majority of teams that don't run a duelist actually use their Chamber as a duelist on their offense because Chamber is one of the best agents to entry and take map control in most areas because of his TP cooldown being so incredibly short (this is one of the most important roles as a duelist that is often overlooked). When you refer to Chamber as a Killjoy turret - you are looking at Chamber when he is used purely for the sentinel role; there are some teams who play him as a sentinel on the offense because they also run a duelist agent but he is objectively worse than Cypher and Killjoy for playing the sentinel role on offense by a long shot since you are lowering the consistency of the agent who generally plays alone.

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williamm

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Yeah, hes pretty strong right now. But being able to take map control does not = duelist. Otherwise sova, viper and skye, etc. would all be duelists, they take the most map control with the wall, dart, and dog/flash. Duelists do not take map control, they use the map control that the support agents invest their abilities to, trying to set up duelists for kills. Can you use chamber as a quasi-duelist? Yes, you can, similar to alot of other agents entrying like skye or kayo. Is chamber anywhere near as good as the other duelists purely for taking space and entrying? No, his tp cooldown is too long, and the range is too short. Yes, he can slowly take ground over the course of a round or use his tp to swing an agressive angle, but it is no where near the level of jett/raze, or even reyna and neon. yoru is in his own niche.

He exerts a lot of pressure by being there, but that doesn't make him a duelist. the duelist role is generally to entry for your team and clear site first, while taking initial duels because most kits are set up to give an advantage to the duelist. Chamber's kit doesnt really give him an advantage when executing site, only for initial angles or holding space and aggressive angles. Yes, you want your duelists on agressive angles, not because of the ROLE, but because most of their kits are set up to give them the advantage. Chamber's kit also gives him an advantage when holding angles, but that doesn't make him a duelist

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TsoChicken

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I disagree that the duelist role on offense is just for purely taking a site - taking map control is super important. Helping take map control with utility is very different to actually taking the space - Jett and Chamber are the best candidates for actually following up with the utility to take the space because they always have a free chance to get out. It's not hard to see that taking map control is the same as executing onto sites just on a different scale.

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williamm

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I agree, duelists do take map control, but chamber can not do it at the speed as other duelists. He can slow move up and take an area over 40-60s by using his tp multiple times, but I could argue that cypher does the same thing (taking map control) via lurking (obviously not the same thing). Taking map control does not make an agent a duelist, you need to be able to execute into site fat and create space

Map control is pretty different from an execute. Executes need to be rapid or else their whole team rotates. Map control is gained slowly, and doesn't usually end up in a 3v3 after taking map control. For example, on split, most of the time, multiple players do not die when taking mid unless both teams are making a play for mid. You cant wait 20s for chamber's tp to come back up to slowly inch into site. Chamber can create a small area with his tp, but the vast majority of site is not taken. If he plays risky he can place the t p in the middle of site, but then there is a large window of time to kill him and make him completely useless (no trip on flank, no holding space in post plant)

Can he be used as a quasi-duelist? yes, I already said that. I think the tp cooldown should be higher by 5-10s. But he IS NOT AS GOOD AS OTHER DUELISTS and doesn't have any abilities to help execute site. He can take map control, and thats literally what a sentinel does (kj/cypher trips, sage wall and slows, and now chamber)

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Bob

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Chamber is basically a duelist, there's a reason why the whole professional scene says he is.

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Eli28

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Sentinels are agents that slowdown the push from an enemy execute.

Imo sentinels are agents that close parts of the map (Cypher with his wires, Killjoy bot/turret...).

So yes Chamber is a sentinel but not because the reasons you explain.

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BBL_Wtcn

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But you could argue smokes do the same thing

I think Sentinels are site anchors

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nairolf1337

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Jett is a Sentinel because she can slow down pushes with her ult and smokes

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Shownu

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Not rotate as quickly though or gather info

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nutab1e

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Omen is a sentinel because his smoke and blind slow down a push, also can shoot them which kills them

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Primion

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Since that big nerf i move back to cypher as old sentinel before, if u are aggressive sentinel then chamber would be good for u

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Astra is a Sentinel because she can slow down pushes with her ult,smokes,stun and pull

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Azula

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It depends how u use it......sometimes i saw people camping behind as a chamber and people like me use chamber as a duelist