The game is already flexible, but this meta has shown to be the most diverse so far. Teams play what works best for them, even if it isn't what you think is ideal.

My thoughts would be that he would be a main controller too, but obviously it's impossible to tell if he'll be good as a controller - but I'm asking babysasuke because he specifically states dapr will be good on a traditional sentinel role and he shouldn't play Chamber as part of the reasons to why dapr is currently nuts. Nothing he's been saying has been relevant to be honest...

I replied to you saying that dapr is NUTS and then replied to your statement that he was an okay Chamber which by every metric is not true. Did you just forget that you said that, lmao?

I'll also add that in the group stages, dapr was negative on every agent he played except KJ where he went positive by 1 kill - still yet to understand why you believe he's still nuts.

I'm still yet to see why you think dapr is currently a nuts player. Also, I don't know if you understand but if TenZ played Chamber, dapr would not be playing a traditional sentinel on top of the Chamber.

"The whole team is broken, they cant figure out roles, and he still does his job." - What exactly is his job? Because Chamber's main value to a team is being able to get kills, his whole kit is too - and he is one of the worst at doing so on the agent.

"Hes not yay, hes not cryo, and he shouldnt be compared to them because he isnt on the team to do their job." - Why shouldn't you compare him to yay and cryo when they're playing the same agent and role when he's playing chamber?

"NONE of the other sentinel players got moved to chamber, it was all of the oppers/jetts and dapr, thats why he doesnt play like them, its not what hes on the team to do." - What does it matter that he wasn't an OP/Jett before he swapped to Chamber?

"They can force it all they want, but its a misallocation of resources on the team side and doesnt make him a worse player" - So you can't judge dapr's Chamber because you don't think he should play Chamber? Pretty sure you're saying you think he's THAT bad of a Chamber that he just shouldn't be on it at all.

You're saying that under the right circumstances where dapr gets to play the agents he is best at and the meta favors those agents, he'll be a good player and that's why he's CURRENTLY a nuts player? To be frank with you, you're not making any sense.

None of your reasons actually reflect into the game or matter - all you're saying is that it's completely ACCEPTABLE for dapr to be a worse chamber which makes no sense when you're talking about competition.

I disagree that the duelist role on offense is just for purely taking a site - taking map control is super important. Helping take map control with utility is very different to actually taking the space - Jett and Chamber are the best candidates for actually following up with the utility to take the space because they always have a free chance to get out. It's not hard to see that taking map control is the same as executing onto sites just on a different scale.

Yes, most of the other Chambers are primary OPers and ex-Jett mains but what does that matter?
The truth is, dapr is still a worse Chamber than them and that's what matters in the server.

It doesn't really make sense to say "if meta shifts to X, then he'll be a good player" as justification to why dapr is currently a good player. The same it wouldn't make sense to say Subroza is one of the best players in the game currently because "if meta shifted to Phoenix, then he'll be a good player". It also doesn't really make sense to make guesses about what's going on internally in the team to justify why he's not performing great, because at the end of the day; they're guesses and trying to use them as a legitimate reason is baseless. He isn't doing okay on Chamber as well - the average Chamber KD in both the EMEA and NA group stages is close to 1.25 and dapr has a negative KD overall even including non-group stage games. I like dapr and I think he is a decent player, but by no metric is he still a great player in the scene.

A lot of people hyperfixate on the duelist role being used to create space when executing on sites but there's way more to the role than just that - Chamber is obviously weaker than most agents when it comes executing onto sites. The majority of teams that don't run a duelist actually use their Chamber as a duelist on their offense because Chamber is one of the best agents to entry and take map control in most areas because of his TP cooldown being so incredibly short (this is one of the most important roles as a duelist that is often overlooked). When you refer to Chamber as a Killjoy turret - you are looking at Chamber when he is used purely for the sentinel role; there are some teams who play him as a sentinel on the offense because they also run a duelist agent but he is objectively worse than Cypher and Killjoy for playing the sentinel role on offense by a long shot since you are lowering the consistency of the agent who generally plays alone.

I have seen Chambers lock down sites, yes - but the ratio I see Chamber being played to lock down a site in the competitive scene compared to Chambers going for aggressive plays on the defense or playing to get a kill and teleport out to play the retake is not even comparable to the ratio a Cypher or Killjoy would.

No hate on dapr but out of the group stage games, I only watched Sentinels play against Cloud9 and EG so it's hard for me to understand how dapr is 'still nuts' considering how he had little to no impact in both those series from a spectator point of view whilst also being on the low end of every metric in the group stages in totality.

This is wrong on so many levels, but even just by your definition of a sentinel alone; it would mean that not only are all agents sentinels, but controllers are best sentinels in the game. The role of a sentinel is generally defined by long-term information utility on top of ability to lock-down a site and Chamber rarely plays as an agent to lock down a site. A duelist is generally defined as an agent with a kit designed to isolate duels and assist in them and Chamber very obviously falls into that category especially now since his only informational utility is basically a KJ turret with limited vision.

He was better in Masters 3 last year, but very unfortunate M3C have lost a lot with d3ffo not on Jett.

Verticality on Icebox renders Astra utility outside of her smokes extremely weak + 16seconds more smoke time with Brimstone on top of the smokes being harder to push through.

I feel that Ghost is only minorly underperforming, coming into the VCT qualifiers their form was extremely strong after relatively cleanly beating Knights and TSM and even though they have been winning series very cleanly this second qualifier, my expectation was that they would beat EG, but maybe that opinion of mine is overly biased.

My bad.

Just banter; Neon makes fun of other teams and players as well.

Top signed teams during this qualifier and how they've looked so far in alphabetical order (including eliminated teams)

100Thieves - looking really strong and adaptive and are improving every match, but still a lot of shakiness as a team at times; Asuna isn't having as much fragging impact as fans would like but is to be expected considering the role difference.

Akrew - looking strong but are bad at dealing with relentless aggression; very balanced team otherwise.

Complexity - super inconsistent but very adaptive and flexible playstyle; Governor and truo seem to be really consistent right now.

Cloud9 White - promising signs but seems like they're chokers; meL performing insanely well on the Chamber.

DarkZero - good performances but very obvious that they struggle against better opposition; Trick is struggling a lot individually.

Evil Geniuses - very inconsistent; jawgemo is shining on his new role as a duelist and Boostio is shining on Chamber but seems to be struggling immensely outside of Chamber.

Knights - they perform as expected; Frosty is a hard anchor right now and definitely needs to step up if they want to be able to contest at a higher level.

Gen.G - a good team but it feels like for them to beat a top team, they can only do it off individual skill; Shawn needs to do a lot better on an individual level.

Ghost - looking okay but underperforming; they did get literally robbed so it's fair.

NYFU - looking solid but definitely struggling to win series cleanly; JSUNG and neptune are underperforming and need to step up.

Sentinels - underperforming massively and compared to other teams, they have little teamwork and adaptability; Shahzam used to be a solid fragger in the team but has had nowhere near the same level of impact recently. SicK's playstyle as a controller is a lot worse than zombs, especially when it comes to util and conversation of it. TenZ is performing a lot better in this qualifier than the previous. Kanpeki is doing well as a new pickup but unfortunately is whiffing a lot. dapr isn't performing badly but still needs to get better, he used to pull rounds out of nowhere but it doesn't seem like he has the ability to consistently do that right now.

SoaR - looking solid and unique in tactics but haven't seen them against enough good teams.

Soniqs - they look very strong against weaker teams but look very bad against stronger teams, they seem to rely heavily on anti-stratting; shonk and runi have been underwhelming but runi has stepped it up recently a lot.

T1 - this team needs a complete revamp, including steel even though he has shown success in the past as an IGL; it's clear that the T1 playbook is extremely limited and exploitable on top of roles not making any sense + what they're trying to do isn't backed up by results.

Version1 - massively underperforming; Zellsis and Zander underperforming but understandable considering all the things happening to V1 internally (Zellsis leaving soon, wippie visa issues and practice issues that came along with it, effys turning 40 soon).

Zero MarksMen Black - looking pretty strong but unfortunately very inconsistent.

Additional notes:

• Sentinels have one of the easiest runs this qualifier so it'll be an even bigger disappointment to the fans if they fail to qualify.
• Players playing Brimstone/Breach/Omen seem to have deflated statistics when playing those roles (meaning there is a positional disadvantage just by playing the agent)
• Players playing Chamber/Jett seem to have overly-inflated statistics (average 1.3K/D) when playing those roles (meaning there is a positional advantage just by playing the agent)

Gambit are pretty much the same age as The Guard now and were the youngest tier 1 team last year.
Chronicle and nAts are still 19 + Sheydos and d3ffo just turned 20 + Redgar is 23.
Trent is 17 + Valyn is 19 + JonahP is 22 + Sayaplayer is 23 and I'm unsure about neT.

You don't need to get kills to be a good lurk.

Soniqs just pushed somewhere every round on the defense and T1 never even tried to counter it, T1 just went to a site and hoped it would work out.

How can you so confidently spam lies that are disproven by the website you are using?

Source?

I just hope there isn't some badly designed group-stage again.

Agreed.

I don't think anyone who had any brain on them actually thought trent cheated, but he definitely did choke really badly on his first international event.

Champions didn't feel that different to the Masters events last year, I'm hoping Riot can make it stand out this year.

The Guard might've underperformed but I can't help but feel a sense of disrespect towards PRX when people make excuses for The Guard and have no praise for PRX.

There's nothing wrong with having a discussion, why do you feel the need to become salty?

Didn't Gambit win the first international LAN they attended?

Yes, and nAts was winning entire maps both through impact of lurks and straight fragging - there's a reason why every team in EU after Masters 3 were forced to prepare against nAts lurks and in turn pushed Gambit to make big changes.

Marved's performance was great but it really isn't comparable to nAts Masters 3 performance, he was on a different level during that entire event.

I don't mind Kaquka much but MitchMan is not the play.

+1
You can just glide there with Jett.

It's obvious platchat don't really know much, but there's no reason to bash on them for having opinions.

More times than not, I end up watching the streams muted because the poor quality of the casting :(

Happy to see 24Haven get signed, a lot of promising results recently from them.

There's not much for top teams to do right now, especially if they didn't make it to Champions.

Both SR and CLG Red had extremely good showings in this event, excited to see if they'll continue to show big improvements in the future events they play.

TSM Academy supremacy!

All of the Matrix movies were amazing (the first 3 at least).

I'm interested to see how this will go, I didn't realize Rawkus was a mastermind.

Dre was extremely good on Omen, nice to see him looking to play controllers again.