vlr wrong vetos? i think big pick bind navi pick ascent, right?
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Twisten
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4
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7
2
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2
3
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2
3
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5
2
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luckeRRR
BIG
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1
3
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0
1
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7
2
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4
3
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3
2
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musashi
BIG
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2
4
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1
4
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5
4
+1
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3
1
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4
3
+1
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Obnoks
BIG
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3
6
-3
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4
1
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0
6
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4
1
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2
5
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Duno
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Obnoks
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Round 3
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Round 14
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Round 22
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Cloud
7ssk7
zeddy
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1
Round 22
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zeddy
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64
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3
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0
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Twisten
BIG
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3
Round 5
dinkzj
Duno
Round 11
dinkzj
Duno
Round 21
zeddy
Cloud
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1
Round 8
Cloud
Duno
7ssk7
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1
Round 9
Duno
zeddy
7ssk7
Cloud
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1
Round 13
Duno
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92
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0
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0
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AslaN
BIG
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1
Round 15
7ssk7
Duno
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3
Round 5
zeddy
7ssk7
Cloud
Round 10
7ssk7
dinkzj
Cloud
Round 11
7ssk7
Cloud
zeddy
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93
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1
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1
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Obnoks
BIG
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2
Round 3
7ssk7
Duno
Round 14
7ssk7
zeddy
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40
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1
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0
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musashi
BIG
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2
Round 7
Cloud
dinkzj
Round 13
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dinkzj
7ssk7
Round 15
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51
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0
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0
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3
Round 2
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Twisten
Round 7
Obnoks
luckeRRR
Round 16
Twisten
luckeRRR
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1
Round 12
musashi
AslaN
Twisten
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45
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1
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Duno
NAVI
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2
Round 20
musashi
Obnoks
Round 21
Twisten
luckeRRR
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38
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2
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0
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7ssk7
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4
Round 13
Obnoks
luckeRRR
Round 19
AslaN
musashi
Round 20
Twisten
luckeRRR
Round 21
AslaN
Obnoks
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1
Round 17
Twisten
musashi
luckeRRR
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1
Round 21
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70
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0
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1
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zeddy
NAVI
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3
Round 15
Twisten
luckeRRR
Round 19
luckeRRR
Obnoks
Round 22
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Round 16
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musashi
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Round 2
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luckeRRR
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Round 1
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3
1
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7
3
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2
4
-2
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2
3
-1
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Twisten
BIG
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3
7
-4
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4
1
+3
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2
1
+1
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3
4
-1
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5
3
+2
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luckeRRR
BIG
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1
2
-1
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4
2
+2
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2
1
+1
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4
7
-3
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3
4
-1
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musashi
BIG
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8
1
+7
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1
2
-1
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3
4
-1
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4
4
+0
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3
6
-3
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Obnoks
BIG
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2
2
+0
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4
1
+3
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2
3
-1
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0
3
-3
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2
4
-2
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7ssk7
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Duno
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dinkzj
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zeddy
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Cloud
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AslaN
BIG
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2
1
+1
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2
0
+2
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1
0
+1
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Twisten
BIG
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1
1
+0
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1
0
+1
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2
2
+0
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luckeRRR
BIG
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0
1
-1
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1
1
+0
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musashi
BIG
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1
0
+1
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1
0
+1
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0
1
-1
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Obnoks
BIG
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0
1
-1
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1
0
+1
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0
1
-1
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7ssk7
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Duno
NAVI
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dinkzj
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zeddy
NAVI
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Cloud
NAVI
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AslaN
BIG
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1
1
+0
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1
0
+1
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BIG
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0
2
-2
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1
0
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+1
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1
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luckeRRR
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3
Round 3
zeddy
Cloud
Round 7
7ssk7
Cloud
Round 8
Duno
zeddy
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1
Round 18
Duno
dinkzj
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50
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9
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0
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Twisten
BIG
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5
Round 5
7ssk7
Cloud
Round 12
7ssk7
Duno
Round 17
Cloud
Duno
Round 18
zeddy
7ssk7
Round 22
Duno
zeddy
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1
Round 10
Duno
dinkzj
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57
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1
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0
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3
Round 4
dinkzj
Cloud
Round 15
Duno
dinkzj
Round 21
dinkzj
Cloud
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1
Round 19
7ssk7
zeddy
Duno
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66
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0
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0
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Obnoks
BIG
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3
Round 8
Cloud
7ssk7
Round 20
Duno
dinkzj
Round 22
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44
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1
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0
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musashi
BIG
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6
Round 3
7ssk7
Duno
Round 4
zeddy
7ssk7
Round 5
dinkzj
zeddy
Round 6
7ssk7
dinkzj
Round 11
7ssk7
zeddy
Round 12
zeddy
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56
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0
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0
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dinkzj
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2
Round 2
Obnoks
musashi
Round 16
luckeRRR
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43
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1
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1
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Duno
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26
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2
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1
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7ssk7
NAVI
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1
Round 10
AslaN
musashi
Twisten
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1
Round 6
Twisten
Obnoks
AslaN
luckeRRR
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50
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0
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0
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zeddy
NAVI
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5
Round 1
luckeRRR
AslaN
Round 2
Twisten
luckeRRR
Round 4
Twisten
Obnoks
Round 14
Twisten
musashi
Round 17
luckeRRR
musashi
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2
Round 9
Obnoks
AslaN
luckeRRR
Round 21
musashi
luckeRRR
AslaN
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1
Round 7
musashi
AslaN
luckeRRR
Obnoks
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1
Round 9
Obnoks
luckeRRR
AslaN
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71
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2
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2
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Cloud
NAVI
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2
Round 1
Twisten
musashi
Round 13
luckeRRR
musashi
|
1
Round 11
Obnoks
AslaN
luckeRRR
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1
Round 22
Twisten
luckeRRR
Obnoks
musashi
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1
Round 22
Obnoks
luckeRRR
musashi
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58
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1
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2
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7ssk7
NAVI
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Duno
NAVI
|
dinkzj
NAVI
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zeddy
NAVI
|
Cloud
NAVI
|
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AslaN
BIG
|
3
4
-1
|
4
2
+2
|
0
2
-2
|
1
3
-2
|
3
6
-3
|
Twisten
BIG
|
2
5
-3
|
1
1
+0
|
3
2
+1
|
2
3
-1
|
2
4
-2
|
luckeRRR
BIG
|
1
2
-1
|
1
3
-2
|
1
3
-2
|
2
2
+0
|
2
5
-3
|
musashi
BIG
|
2
2
+0
|
0
3
-3
|
4
1
+3
|
2
5
-3
|
3
3
+0
|
Obnoks
BIG
|
1
2
-1
|
3
3
+0
|
1
3
-2
|
3
5
-2
|
3
5
-2
|
7ssk7
NAVI
|
Duno
NAVI
|
dinkzj
NAVI
|
zeddy
NAVI
|
Cloud
NAVI
|
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AslaN
BIG
|
0
2
-2
|
0
1
-1
|
|
0
1
-1
|
0
1
-1
|
Twisten
BIG
|
0
1
-1
|
|
1
1
+0
|
1
0
+1
|
1
2
-1
|
luckeRRR
BIG
|
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0
1
-1
|
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0
1
-1
|
musashi
BIG
|
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1
0
+1
|
Obnoks
BIG
|
0
2
-2
|
|
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0
1
-1
|
0
2
-2
|
7ssk7
NAVI
|
Duno
NAVI
|
dinkzj
NAVI
|
zeddy
NAVI
|
Cloud
NAVI
|
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AslaN
BIG
|
2
2
+0
|
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1
0
+1
|
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Twisten
BIG
|
0
1
-1
|
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1
0
+1
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1
0
+1
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luckeRRR
BIG
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musashi
BIG
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Obnoks
BIG
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2K | 3K | 4K | 5K | 1v1 | 1v2 | 1v3 | 1v4 | 1v5 | ECON | PL | DE | ||
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luckeRRR
BIG
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1
Round 12
zeddy
Cloud
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38
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5
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0
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Twisten
BIG
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2
Round 7
dinkzj
7ssk7
Round 13
dinkzj
7ssk7
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1
Round 13
7ssk7
dinkzj
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34
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1
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3
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AslaN
BIG
|
|
3
Round 7
Duno
Cloud
Round 12
Duno
7ssk7
Round 20
7ssk7
zeddy
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44
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0
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0
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Obnoks
BIG
|
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3
Round 3
zeddy
7ssk7
Round 13
Duno
zeddy
Round 14
Duno
dinkzj
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40
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0
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0
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musashi
BIG
|
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2
Round 3
Cloud
dinkzj
Round 19
Cloud
dinkzj
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1
Round 4
7ssk7
dinkzj
Cloud
zeddy
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1
Round 4
zeddy
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50
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0
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0
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dinkzj
NAVI
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4
Round 5
Twisten
luckeRRR
Round 8
Twisten
luckeRRR
Round 9
AslaN
Obnoks
Round 20
luckeRRR
Obnoks
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54
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4
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0
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Duno
NAVI
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3
Round 2
Obnoks
luckeRRR
Round 13
AslaN
musashi
Round 15
AslaN
Obnoks
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49
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3
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0
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7ssk7
NAVI
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4
Round 2
musashi
AslaN
Round 10
AslaN
Twisten
Round 15
luckeRRR
musashi
Round 16
Obnoks
Twisten
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70
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1
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0
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zeddy
NAVI
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3
Round 1
AslaN
Twisten
Round 17
Obnoks
musashi
Round 18
Twisten
Obnoks
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2
Round 5
AslaN
Obnoks
musashi
Round 10
Obnoks
luckeRRR
musashi
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66
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0
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2
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Cloud
NAVI
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6
Round 1
Obnoks
musashi
Round 4
Twisten
Obnoks
Round 6
luckeRRR
musashi
Round 8
AslaN
Obnoks
Round 9
Twisten
luckeRRR
Round 18
luckeRRR
AslaN
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1
Round 11
Obnoks
musashi
luckeRRR
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73
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0
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0
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That is an interesting opinion, but he still would be better than Obnoks and probably by far, Obnoks really is doing a lot of fundamental mistakes that costs BIG a lot of rounds, the way he just decides to peek things seems weird. I personally think that Magnum could be a good fit for BIG with his expercience in Tier 1 other than that he is also is grinding a lot which could mean that he may be even improving, which I didn't see from Obnoks at all in recent times, that guy is still dry peeking a lot and his utility usage is just not good enough/ or not impressive with the agents he plays.
Bro the only reason Magnum and old Fnatic were relevant and belonged to tier1 was Derke
Derke won them rounds, maps, series, without him they'd be worthess garbage
You should stop overrating players just because they've been to several LANs and they have so-called experience, it doesn't make them any better than others