in order
V1, individually, is the closest NA has to a super team
The Guard is an incredibly good team however they are still in their honeymoon phase and likely will not remain a top 2/3 team after Reykjavik
Hiko is still a top 5 sova and still had tier 1 potential, however, he doesn't play at the level that nadeshot wants 100T to be at
ty for coming to my TedTalk
kyrielight [#3]no ofense but v1 is prob one the top teams with worst individual talent, what carries them is strategy and zander
wippie is the best sentinel player in NA
zander is the best smokes player in NA (only one who comes close is marved)
zellsis is a top 3 flex
penny is easily a top 5 jett off consistency alone
effys is also really consistent (maybe top 5 sova?)
number1_MIBR_hater [#5]h*ko being a top 5 sova says a lot about the current state of NA Valorant
I think he gets shit on by the community too much, the way he played vs acend and gambit at masters 3 was insane and its kinda overshadowed by all the negativity
zardinez [#10]I agree Guard are on a honeymoon phase, but I trust them to work hard with MCE to remain on top or at least near it after that phase ends. Also Hiko is not a top 5 sova in NA much less the world lmao.
i meant to say NA, NA only has like 2 of the top 5 sova's in the world lol
stfk [#6]wippie is the best sentinel player in NA
zander is the best smokes player in NA (only one who comes close is marved)
zellsis is a top 3 flex
penny is easily a top 5 jett off consistency alone
effys is also really consistent (maybe top 5 sova?)
penny is not even consistent, theres a reason people didnt include him in top jetts in NA before this event, its because he was total ass in LCQ/berlin qualifier
wippie is also definitely NOT the best sentinel player LMAO, mitch/neT def are
zander also statpads, valyn better
1- That title probably goes to OpTic although FNS may be lacking firepower-wise.
2- I think Guard have worked hard enough to be considered a top team, but I agree that they're still kind of new to the scene and slowly but surely other teams will adapt to their playstyle and tendencies so they might fall off a bit.
3- I think Hiko has tier 1 potential but is definetely not a top 5 sova right now.
turkey [#12]shit was like half a year ago and in a completely different team structure
yeah what im saying is he is obviously good on lan and even still he puts up frags at the level of ethan and nitro when he was on the team, generally only plays bad when the whole team altogether can't get anything done. Not to mention how good he is with util
stfk [#6]wippie is the best sentinel player in NA
zander is the best smokes player in NA (only one who comes close is marved)
zellsis is a top 3 flex
penny is easily a top 5 jett off consistency alone
effys is also really consistent (maybe top 5 sova?)
I think V1 is def more of a sum of its parts than an individual thing.
I think Penny is great but inconsistent, meaning you can't rank him over the other 4 jett players in the top 5 teams
Effys is a pretty good player and fits V1 but if we're being honest isn't a crazy talent at all
Wippie is a good call, he's been amazing I can't argue with that. It's pretty much him and Mitch(and when Dapr gets his shit together) atm
Zander is def one of the best controllers and fragging igls as well, u obv talked abt marved but valyn is def there as well
Zellsis is also sick but top 3 is a stretch, he's in the very good tier of flex players but there's literally so many that putting him in a definite top 3 is a pretty eh take. Victor Zekken and Xeppaa still seem to be at the top(just barely), but I will say Zellsis is playing very well. If we're talking most talented top to bottom though it's gotta be C9.
GLN321 [#18]1- That title probably goes to OpTic although FNS may be lacking firepower-wise.
2- I think Guard have worked hard enough to be considered a top team, but I agree that they're still kind of new to the scene and slowly but surely other teams will adapt to their playstyle and tendencies so they might fall off a bit.
3- I think Hiko has tier 1 potential but is definetely not a top 5 sova right now.
yeah that's pretty respectable. OpTiC is a close second for me, they get held back a bit by crashies underperformance recently and fns being pretty meh. victor and marved are on the same level as zellsis and zander imo.
trevonnnlol [#15]penny is not even consistent, theres a reason people didnt include him in top jetts in NA before this event, its because he was total ass in LCQ/berlin qualifier
wippie is also definitely NOT the best sentinel player LMAO, mitch/neT def are
zander also statpads, valyn better
being bad before doesnt have anything to do with current state of the team
penny is good now and his skill in the past cant change that
stfk [#19]yeah what im saying is he is obviously good on lan and even still he puts up frags at the level of ethan and nitro when he was on the team, generally only plays bad when the whole team altogether can't get anything done. Not to mention how good he is with util
he also plays bad when the rest of the team plays well. his clutch rate online is nowhere close to what it was online 6 months ago. i like hiko no hate towards him i just like 100t more and i want nade and asuna to succeed, so i want hiko out so a better player can come
fatpoipoiiii [#16]3 HOT TAKES
- LOUD dont do well at masters
- DRX will do better than our expectation
- NA will not go to final
tbh those aren't even super hot.
GooberBoy [#21]I think V1 is def more of a sum of its parts than an individual thing.
I think Penny is great but inconsistent, meaning you can't rank him over the other 4 jett players in the top 5 teams
Effys is a pretty good player and fits V1 but if we're being honest isn't a crazy talent at all
Wippie is a good call, he's been amazing I can't argue with that. It's pretty much him and Mitch(and when Dapr gets his shit together) atm
Zander is def one of the best controllers and fragging igls as well, u obv talked abt marved but valyn is def there as well
Zellsis is also sick but top 3 is a stretch, he's in the very good tier of flex players but there's literally so many that putting him in a definite top 3 is a pretty eh take. Victor Zekken and Xeppaa still seem to be at the top(just barely), but I will say Zellsis is playing very well. If we're talking most talented top to bottom though it's gotta be C9.
yeah i bascially agree with everything u said.
penny overall doesnt always play to his full potential but generally he always shows up in some way'
effys and wippie i agree with
valyn is 3rd for me behind zander and marved but u could make a case for any of them
zellsis being top 3 is a little spicy, i honestly think that there are like 6 players that could be considered top 3 flex (victor, zellsis, zekken, bang, xeppaa, sick)
The reason i have them as the #1 super team is cause if i were to take the best players from each role at least 2 of them would be from V1 + the rest of the team is really solid all around
turkey [#25]he also plays bad when the rest of the team plays well. his clutch rate online is nowhere close to what it was online 6 months ago. i like hiko no hate towards him i just like 100t more and i want nade and asuna to succeed, so i want hiko out so a better player can come
i totally agree, hiko is prolly not he best player for the team rn. hiko being a top 5 sova is also a testament to the NA scene not being very high on sovas and hiko still being a solid player
stfk [#11]i meant to say NA, NA only has like 2 of the top 5 sova's in the world lol
All of these NA sovas are better than hiko mechanically: Trent, Effys, Crashies, BcJ, Shaz, and Xeta
HavocWEEB [#24]being bad before doesnt have anything to do with current state of the team
penny is good now and his skill in the past cant change that
just because he has 1 good tournament doesnt mean that he's consistent, delusional if you think so. you need multiple tournaments of consistentcy in order to be "consistent"
stfk [#29]i totally agree, hiko is prolly not he best player for the team rn. hiko being a top 5 sova is also a testament to the NA scene not being very high on sovas and hiko still being a solid player
Crashies
Trent
Xeta
Derrek
Bcj
Sova shouldn't even be Hiko's agent with his playstyle, if he stays on 100T he'll be going sentinel.
nikoya [#26]tbh those aren't even super hot.
yeah cuz theyre the just the opposite takes of the dude above him
stfk [#6]wippie is the best sentinel player in NA
zander is the best smokes player in NA (only one who comes close is marved)
zellsis is a top 3 flex
penny is easily a top 5 jett off consistency alone
effys is also really consistent (maybe top 5 sova?)
Penny is the least consistent jett bro what
number1_MIBR_hater [#5]h*ko being a top 5 sova says a lot about the current state of NA Valorant
Hiko > sacy
zombs owns ur region btw
kyrielight [#3]no ofense but v1 is prob one the top teams with worst individual talent, what carries them is strategy and zander
Facts
Other teams (cough Sentinels) could learn from them
fatpoipoiiii [#16]3 HOT TAKES
- LOUD dont do well at masters
- DRX will do better than our expectation
- NA will not go to final
trevonnnlol [#33]just because he has 1 good tournament doesnt mean that he's consistent, delusional if you think so. you need multiple tournaments of consistentcy in order to be "consistent"
delusional if u think I mentioned consistency lmao
HavocWEEB [#41]delusional if u think I mentioned consistency lmao
this guy said "top 5 jett off consistency alone" and i responded saying hes not consistent, and then you respond saying you didnt mention consistency even though you were responding to a consistency thread, yep
zardinez [#32]All of these NA sovas are better than hiko mechanically: Trent, Effys, Crashies, BcJ, Shaz, and Xeta
Hiko > bcJ and effys imo otherwise yeah. Also I’m not just talking about mechanics, hiko has a really good understanding of the game and has some of the best útil usage out of all of them
GooberBoy [#21]I think V1 is def more of a sum of its parts than an individual thing.
I think Penny is great but inconsistent, meaning you can't rank him over the other 4 jett players in the top 5 teams
Effys is a pretty good player and fits V1 but if we're being honest isn't a crazy talent at all
Wippie is a good call, he's been amazing I can't argue with that. It's pretty much him and Mitch(and when Dapr gets his shit together) atm
Zander is def one of the best controllers and fragging igls as well, u obv talked abt marved but valyn is def there as well
Zellsis is also sick but top 3 is a stretch, he's in the very good tier of flex players but there's literally so many that putting him in a definite top 3 is a pretty eh take. Victor Zekken and Xeppaa still seem to be at the top(just barely), but I will say Zellsis is playing very well. If we're talking most talented top to bottom though it's gotta be C9.
Victor, Xeppa, and Zellsis are without a doubt the best kayos in na though
trevonnnlol [#43]this guy said "top 5 jett off consistency alone" and i responded saying hes not consistent, and then you respond saying you didnt mention consistency even though you were responding to a consistency thread, yep
bro he said
-penny is inconsistent
-penny is was ass in berlin qualifier and lcq
-wippie isnt best sentinel
-zander statpads
are all of those abt pennys consistency????
i said he was good now never said he was consistent
not to mention lcq he was top fragging 4 out of the 6 maps v1 played and he was only negative by 2 on the remaining maps thats not as inconsistent as this guy makes it out to be
Strafe7 [#49]Victor, Xeppa, and Zellsis are without a doubt the best kayos in na though
Zekken for sure did better on Kay/O in playoffs than Zellsis did. If anything puts Zellsis over Zekken its his Raze and overall flexibility. Zekken has the initiator class>Zellsis its just that u can argue that Zellsis is a better duelist and can play sage and viper better.
Mjtchell [#54]Optic is an NA super-team though
ehhhh
yay, crashies and marved - close enough,
victor - maybe top 3
fns - debatable if he's even top 10 frag wise, igling is pretty good ill give him that but everything else is meh
stfk [#6]wippie is the best sentinel player in NA
zander is the best smokes player in NA (only one who comes close is marved)
zellsis is a top 3 flex
penny is easily a top 5 jett off consistency alone
effys is also really consistent (maybe top 5 sova?)
top 3 flex lmfao
stfk [#55]ehhhh
yay, crashies and marved - close enough,
victor - maybe top 3
fns - debatable if he's even top 10 frag wise, igling is pretty good ill give him that but everything else is meh
only person i was iffy about is victor
GooberBoy [#53]Zekken for sure did better on Kay/O in playoffs than Zellsis did. If anything puts Zellsis over Zekken its his Raze and overall flexibility. Zekken has the initiator class>Zellsis its just that u can argue that Zellsis is a better duelist and can play sage and viper better.
Numbers wise zekken played better but Zellsis' ults with kayo are always really high value, I think he finds more value for his team than zekken, but zekken was better in playoffs.
Mjtchell [#58]While I think Game Changers is great for marginalized genders, I also think its segregating those players from main events
you don't see C9 playing in vct along with dignitas and shopify rebellion and more? they play and lower-tier events too. The only reason they might not be playing is cause they get shit on by random unkown teams
stfk [#6]wippie is the best sentinel player in NA
zander is the best smokes player in NA (only one who comes close is marved)
zellsis is a top 3 flex
penny is easily a top 5 jett off consistency alone
effys is also really consistent (maybe top 5 sova?)
Penny is good but he is not consistent lmao there was a block of time where he had like a 0.70 rating on Jett
stfk [#6]wippie is the best sentinel player in NA
zander is the best smokes player in NA (only one who comes close is marved)
zellsis is a top 3 flex
penny is easily a top 5 jett off consistency alone
effys is also really consistent (maybe top 5 sova?)
bro, i haven't watched val tourneys in a minute but ik DAMN WELL WIPPIE AINT TOP SENTINEL IN NA.
stfk [#55]ehhhh
yay, crashies and marved - close enough,
victor - maybe top 3
fns - debatable if he's even top 10 frag wise, igling is pretty good ill give him that but everything else is meh
they are literally the only reason we are respected as a region in the first place, and all of the players on that team have history in other games, like CS
delusional_sentinels_fan1 [#62]"Hiko is still a top 5 sova and still had tier 1 potential, however, he doesn't play at the level that nadeshot wants 100T to be at"
0/8 + MASSIVE COPIUM h*ko isnt even top 10
lol
bigpeensheen [#65]they are literally the only reason we are respected as a region in the first place, and all of the players on that team have history in other games, like CS
not saying their bad or anything, theyre prolly the best NA has to offer theyre just not the ideal superteam
kyrielight [#3]no ofense but v1 is prob one the top teams with worst individual talent, what carries them is strategy and zander
yeah
HavocWEEB [#51]bro he said
-penny is inconsistent
-penny is was ass in berlin qualifier and lcq
-wippie isnt best sentinel
-zander statpadsare all of those abt pennys consistency????
i said he was good now never said he was consistent
not to mention lcq he was top fragging 4 out of the 6 maps v1 played and he was only negative by 2 on the remaining maps thats not as inconsistent as this guy makes it out to be
penny thing is definetly debatable but i stand with everything else i said
zardinez [#10]I agree Guard are on a honeymoon phase, but I trust them to work hard with MCE to remain on top or at least near it after that phase ends. Also Hiko is not a top 5 sova in NA much less the world lmao.
praying the guard dont get sentinel'd
bigpeensheen [#63]bro, i haven't watched val tourneys in a minute but ik DAMN WELL WIPPIE AINT TOP SENTINEL IN NA.
He's up there for sure and saying he is best sentinel, isn't that outrageous of a statement considering how well he playing this tourney.
stfk [#60]you don't see C9 playing in vct along with dignitas and shopify rebellion and more? they play and lower-tier events too. The only reason they might not be playing is cause they get shit on by random unkown teams
See you dont understand my point. They are still completely all male teams rather than a mixture of any and all genders. The fact is, is that there are no combination teams, or at least not very many
Mjtchell [#73]See you dont understand my point. They are still completely all male teams rather than a mixture of any and all genders. The fact is, is that there are no combination teams, or at least not very many
unfortunately the level that many female pros is limited to tier 3 teams so they have the choice of either playing with them and making no money or competing with other women and making money. Its unfortunate that that's how it has to work but for now it may be for the better
stfk [#45]Hiko > bcJ and effys imo otherwise yeah. Also I’m not just talking about mechanics, hiko has a really good understanding of the game and has some of the best útil usage out of all of them
I'm sorry but his util usage (which I really can't comment on bc I haven't been waching for it) and clutch rate (which people hype him up for too much) doesn't make up for his severe underfragging and tendancy to bait his teammates. That's why I'd take any of the sovas mentioned above over him anyday.
1mBor3d [#71]praying the guard dont get sentinel'd
I think there's a fundamental difference because sen were never the work hard type and they also acted way too arrogant about it. The guard don't give me that vibe, especially with all the dedication they've shown.
zardinez [#76]I'm sorry but his util usage (which I really can't comment on bc I haven't been waching for it) and clutch rate (which people hype him up for too much) doesn't make up for his severe underfragging and tendancy to bait his teammates. That's why I'd take any of the sovas mentioned above over him anyday.
Severe underfragging is completely overexaggerated, the only recent series that he's played badly compared to his team was vs LG and even then it wasn't that bad. In the group stage and playoffs hiko had 3 less acs and the same KD as bcJ. not to mention his role was getting swapped around and they were making roster changes mid group stage
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