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I saw this guy play valorant multiple times. He had no clue what he was doing and even months after he first played it he didn’t get what some agents do
Its not about success in csgo only, some players are just more predestined for Val, like kennys
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Larry [#9]Seems like s1mple upset some people
because he’s the best FPS player in the world and I guess people don’t like him being arrogant, when he has a right to
PrTsty [#4]Because he doesnt play the game that much maybe? If he took his time he would easily be on top.
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"he didn’t get what some agents do" that's because he barely plays the game, probably only a few times on stream in a few months and that's it. the guy is known as the GOAT for a reason, maybe it'll take a while but if he commits to VALORANT I could easily see him being one of the best, if not the best, after a year
CRAZY_CHAINSAW_MAN_FAN [#17]ima be honest, i dont think he will be the best player in the world in val if he switched but if he spent time like he did in cs go to val then he would undoubtedly be a top tier player
I have a question, not saying you are wrong but why do you think he wouldn’t be the top player in Valorant if he choose to switch. My personal opinion is he is undoubtedly the best cs/fps player at the given moment. Has been for a few years. However, he isn’t the most mechanically skilled player. I think what sets him apart from others is the work he puts in and his work ethic. He has the mindset and that’s why he is the best and I think he has a good chance of being the best in Valorant.
Reminds me of like a baseball, football, hockey player etc who may not be the most naturally talented or athletic but has the work ethic and puts in the work to be the best.
Larry [#19]I have a question, not saying you are wrong but why do you think he wouldn’t be the top player in Valorant if he choose to switch. My personal opinion is he is undoubtedly the best cs/fps player at the given moment. Has been for a few years. However, he isn’t the most mechanically skilled player. I think what sets him apart from others is the work he puts in and his work ethic. He has the mindset and that’s why he is the best and I think he has a good chance of being the best in Valorant.
Reminds me of like a baseball, football, hockey player etc who may not be the most naturally talented or athletic but has the work ethic and puts in the work to be the best.
so basically CR7?
tenz, shahzam, steel, leaf, xeppa, scream, jamppi, derke, nivera, mixwell, hiko, even stewie, tarik, etc... literally every single ex-csgo pro player that moves to valorant does well in the game, even if they weren't tier 1 before
then why would s1mple, the best csgo player in the world, not be a tier 1 player in valorant? He would. Easily...
Larry [#19]I have a question, not saying you are wrong but why do you think he wouldn’t be the top player in Valorant if he choose to switch. My personal opinion is he is undoubtedly the best cs/fps player at the given moment. Has been for a few years. However, he isn’t the most mechanically skilled player. I think what sets him apart from others is the work he puts in and his work ethic. He has the mindset and that’s why he is the best and I think he has a good chance of being the best in Valorant.
Reminds me of like a baseball, football, hockey player etc who may not be the most naturally talented or athletic but has the work ethic and puts in the work to be the best.
i mean he definitely could be, i just feel like he wouldn't not off any data or anything just making a baseless claim
CalypsoGHC [#12]worst take I've seen in a long time lmao
S1mple doesn't care about Valorant, if he cared enough he would dominate
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A gold nova in CS can become immortal in valorant why cant no 1 player in CS cant become top player in valorant
This bot and choker is the biggest player in valorant
https://www.hltv.org/stats/players/13254/tenz?rankingFilter=Top30
Larry [#19]I have a question, not saying you are wrong but why do you think he wouldn’t be the top player in Valorant if he choose to switch. My personal opinion is he is undoubtedly the best cs/fps player at the given moment. Has been for a few years. However, he isn’t the most mechanically skilled player. I think what sets him apart from others is the work he puts in and his work ethic. He has the mindset and that’s why he is the best and I think he has a good chance of being the best in Valorant.
Reminds me of like a baseball, football, hockey player etc who may not be the most naturally talented or athletic but has the work ethic and puts in the work to be the best.
Personally I think he'd be in the top10, but I dont think he'd be the equivalent of how good he is in CS. I feel the skill ceiling in valorant will limit him, more than anything. In CS he's the best, at that high skill ceiling. In val the ceiling is lower, so it could help others get there.
Think it was s0m who said on stream a few weeks ago, or a month or so. He mentioned how Val is a lot more fun than cs, because everyone is demons because of the skill ceiling. Where as in CS he'd stomp people convincingly.
Albeit it was regarding ranked, but the point still stands regarding skill ceilings.
I could be wrong, we'll never know. Dont think s1mple would ever leave cs. He's the best at the game, and has been consistantly for the past 6 years or so. Zywoo is right there with him, contesting him for the No.1 spot. Just dont think either would be No.1 in Val. top 10/5, yeah. best, nope.
ok_1_2_3 [#34]A gold nova in CS can become immortal in valorant why cant no 1 player in CS cant become top player in valorant
This bot and choker is the biggest player in valorant
https://www.hltv.org/stats/players/13254/tenz?rankingFilter=Top30
he is not the best
Jawa [#24]tenz, shahzam, steel, leaf, xeppa, scream, jamppi, derke, nivera, mixwell, hiko, even stewie, tarik, etc... literally every single ex-csgo pro player that moves to valorant does well in the game, even if they weren't tier 1 before
then why would s1mple, the best csgo player in the world, not be a tier 1 player in valorant? He would. Easily...
Tier 1 for me is more than top 5. Plus the players you mentioned switched at the beginning of the game (mostly) and would be years ahead of s1mple
Raevus [#36]Personally I think he'd be in the top10, but I dont think he'd be the equivalent of how good he is in CS. I feel the skill ceiling in valorant will limit him, more than anything. In CS he's the best, at that high skill ceiling. In val the ceiling is lower, so it could help others get there.
Think it was s0m who said on stream a few weeks ago, or a month or so. He mentioned how Val is a lot more fun than cs, because everyone is demons because of the skill ceiling. Where as in CS he'd stomp people convincingly.
Albeit it was regarding ranked, but the point still stands regarding skill ceilings.I could be wrong, we'll never know. Dont think s1mple would ever leave cs. He's the best at the game, and has been consistantly for the past 6 years or so. Zywoo is right there with him, contesting him for the No.1 spot. Just dont think either would be No.1 in Val. top 10/5, yeah. best, nope.
I can agree that the skill gap is dramatically lowered in Valorant compared to CS meaning that players who are insanely skilled might not be able to play to their full potential in Valorant. Nerfed you could say.
Regarding what S0m said, I see what he is saying but I think deep down every player would rather have a higher skill gap and ceiling that sets them apart from other players. I think casual players yes I can see why it’s more fun but if you take the game serious i think majority of the players would like and have more fun with higher skill gap/ceiling.
If you know you’re better than someone, why would you want to be nerfed.
Idk growing up playing sports it’s always the mentality I had growing up. I want to be the best or at least try to being the best because I know I could.
PrTsty [#4]Because he doesnt play the game that much maybe? If he took his time he would easily be on top.
this is ridiculous, why do you think he would adapt to game mechanics a lot faster than top tier players around the world
alara_acendfan [#50]this is ridiculous, why do you think he would adapt to game mechanics a lot faster than top tier players around the world
because he plays like 2 games sometimes and then takes a break for a month, can't really learn the game that way
alara_acendfan [#50]this is ridiculous, why do you think he would adapt to game mechanics a lot faster than top tier players around the world
because he is insane mechanically and noone grinds as much as him, he has the winnermentality he needs, but it wouold take him a year+ to be top top tier
Larry [#48]I can agree that the skill gap is dramatically lowered in Valorant compared to CS meaning that players who are insanely skilled might not be able to play to their full potential in Valorant. Nerfed you could say.
Regarding what S0m said, I see what he is saying but I think deep down every player would rather have a higher skill gap and ceiling that sets them apart from other players. I think casual players yes I can see why it’s more fun but if you take the game serious i think majority of the players would like and have more fun with higher skill gap/ceiling.
If you know you’re better than someone, why would you want to be nerfed.
Idk growing up playing sports it’s always the mentality I had growing up. I want to be the best or at least try to being the best because I know I could.
With the s0m thing, he said he enjoyed it because it's not a 1 way stomp. Some people get bored of constant stomps, and grow tired of MM. However that's a person on person basis.
With the s0m thing, it's the same with what shroud said before. He said CS is easy when playing it, but Val is harder. The higher the skill ceiling, the larger the gap you'll have with the pro players, from normal in MM. It's probably the only reason I like val MM, is the skill ceiling isn't crazy high, and shit can get chaotic (I find it really bored if I go on a constant streak of stomping on people without struggling. I vibe with close and long matches).
competitively, I want a high skill ceiling. However you can't really have the two. Can either have high ceiling, or low. We have low, which both sucks, but makes PUB games a bit more enjoyable for me.
Raevus [#53]With the s0m thing, he said he enjoyed it because it's not a 1 way stomp. Some people get bored of constant stomps, and grow tired of MM. However that's a person on person basis.
With the s0m thing, it's the same with what shroud said before. He said CS is easy when playing it, but Val is harder. The higher the skill ceiling, the larger the gap you'll have with the pro players, from normal in MM. It's probably the only reason I like val MM, is the skill ceiling isn't crazy high, and shit can get chaotic (I find it really bored if I go on a constant streak of stomping on people without struggling. I vibe with close and long matches).
competitively, I want a high skill ceiling. However you can't really have the two. Can either have high ceiling, or low. We have low, which both sucks, but makes PUB games a bit more enjoyable for me.
From my personal experience, there are a lot of more one way stomps in Valorant than in CS. It feels like teams always seem to be one sided in Valorant. One team is always a lot better than the other. I do agree its a person basis but I still believe that if you are the better player and you know you are, it would be frustrating to know you're being nerfed for the more casual side. It gets quite annoying when you see players who you know you are better than but running 1 tap you because its valorant.
Regarding shroud, I don't hold his opinion very tightly because of him constantly changing it. I think Valorant is easier than CS in almost every way. The game is dumbed down a lot towards the more casual base. I just prefer cs because its more balanced. Valorant is fun to play with friends. The most fun I had on Valorant was when the game first came out and I was 5 stacking with friends. Ever since that was taken away in the higher ranks I've had less motivation to play.
Larry [#55]From my personal experience, there are a lot of more one way stomps in Valorant than in CS. It feels like teams always seem to be one sided in Valorant. One team is always a lot better than the other. I do agree its a person basis but I still believe that if you are the better player and you know you are, it would be frustrating to know you're being nerfed for the more casual side. It gets quite annoying when you see players who you know you are better than but running 1 tap you because its valorant.
Regarding shroud, I don't hold his opinion very tightly because of him constantly changing it. I think Valorant is easier than CS in almost every way. The game is dumbed down a lot towards the more casual base. I just prefer cs because its more balanced. Valorant is fun to play with friends. The most fun I had on Valorant was when the game first came out and I was 5 stacking with friends. Ever since that was taken away in the higher ranks I've had less motivation to play.
I think with shroud, and s0ms opinion. It's more from a streamer perspective, and playing pubs. From competing in other games, and in sports irl. PUB matches I feel should be more fun, than one way stomps.
For the comp side, I'll still take CS over val. imo CS is a ar better game when it comes to the top percentile of the game scene. Val is just more fun to mess around in.
I do dislike how the dumbed down a lot of aspects compared to CS. However, it is what it is. I enjoy val more right now in terms of playing, than cs.
but yeah, s0m and shroud both know they're better than 99.9% of players in the game, they just said CS was easier, as you can easily outshine good players, due to the skill ceiling. going 12-12 against some fortnite kids in a ranked match, just makes things a bit more interesting. We've also seen in comp, that it's a whole different monster, given performances and how they play.
Ranked I feel is better to play/watch in val than CS. comp is cs over val.
With 5 stacking, I agree. I'd prefer 3 stack, and 2 stack. No soloQ, or a soloQ playlist. The beginning of the act, I had themost fun I've had in over a year. PLayed 3 stack with two friends, for around 7 matches. Then got to d3 and had to duo to imm, which was pretty meh.
Wish I could 3/5 stack again, whilst not spending an hour for 3rr.
People forgot how much information you need to carry in CS to be a pro player, Valorant is not even close of CS performance right now. If you ask any smart CS player they will say you same thing: s1mple will destroy in valorant.
Not only because his aim, but because his brain is too used to play 5x5.
As1anM4shad0W [#6]he is best fps player in the world. he can destroy anyone he just need some times for that. even 30 years old s1mple can win major in valorant.
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I'm kinda confused as to why u said kennyS when he literally doesn't play valorant, mention someone like Scream since his experience has showed and he has destroyed other people, clearly playing better than valorant pros in aim alone, TL work around him and they can win whole maps like that, if they learn another comp it could genuinely be TL's sentinels phase
Raevus [#53]With the s0m thing, he said he enjoyed it because it's not a 1 way stomp. Some people get bored of constant stomps, and grow tired of MM. However that's a person on person basis.
With the s0m thing, it's the same with what shroud said before. He said CS is easy when playing it, but Val is harder. The higher the skill ceiling, the larger the gap you'll have with the pro players, from normal in MM. It's probably the only reason I like val MM, is the skill ceiling isn't crazy high, and shit can get chaotic (I find it really bored if I go on a constant streak of stomping on people without struggling. I vibe with close and long matches).
competitively, I want a high skill ceiling. However you can't really have the two. Can either have high ceiling, or low. We have low, which both sucks, but makes PUB games a bit more enjoyable for me.
Well bro getting smurfed by radiants constantly in lower ranks defo makes it feel like the skill ceiling is higher xd
ok_1_2_3 [#34]A gold nova in CS can become immortal in valorant why cant no 1 player in CS cant become top player in valorant
This bot and choker is the biggest player in valorant
https://www.hltv.org/stats/players/13254/tenz?rankingFilter=Top30
He's only considered the best because he's seen as a nice guy, he's got the girlfriend, he's got the life, he's got hella reasons for what he's done right, getting himself a good girlfriend before he gets involved, he can always be so much overly nice, people call him the best because a lot of them strive to be him rather than anything else
FlickMaster [#57]People forgot how much information you need to carry in CS to be a pro player, Valorant is not even close of CS performance right now. If you ask any smart CS player they will say you same thing: s1mple will destroy in valorant.
Not only because his aim, but because his brain is too used to play 5x5.
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bonkbonk [#62]He's only considered the best because he's seen as a nice guy, he's got the girlfriend, he's got the life, he's got hella reasons for what he's done right, getting himself a good girlfriend before he gets involved, he can always be so much overly nice, people call him the best because a lot of them strive to be him rather than anything else
imo people considered him as the best because of his "flashy" plays (this is purely my opinion, no hate on the guy though).
FlickMaster [#57]People forgot how much information you need to carry in CS to be a pro player, Valorant is not even close of CS performance right now. If you ask any smart CS player they will say you same thing: s1mple will destroy in valorant.
Not only because his aim, but because his brain is too used to play 5x5.
actually best take +1
TARIK_GOAT [#11]because he’s the best FPS player in the world and I guess people don’t like him being arrogant, when he has a right to
I like him he just won’t be the best valorant player that’s it
Raevus [#56]I think with shroud, and s0ms opinion. It's more from a streamer perspective, and playing pubs. From competing in other games, and in sports irl. PUB matches I feel should be more fun, than one way stomps.
For the comp side, I'll still take CS over val. imo CS is a ar better game when it comes to the top percentile of the game scene. Val is just more fun to mess around in.
I do dislike how the dumbed down a lot of aspects compared to CS. However, it is what it is. I enjoy val more right now in terms of playing, than cs.but yeah, s0m and shroud both know they're better than 99.9% of players in the game, they just said CS was easier, as you can easily outshine good players, due to the skill ceiling. going 12-12 against some fortnite kids in a ranked match, just makes things a bit more interesting. We've also seen in comp, that it's a whole different monster, given performances and how they play.
Ranked I feel is better to play/watch in val than CS. comp is cs over val.With 5 stacking, I agree. I'd prefer 3 stack, and 2 stack. No soloQ, or a soloQ playlist. The beginning of the act, I had themost fun I've had in over a year. PLayed 3 stack with two friends, for around 7 matches. Then got to d3 and had to duo to imm, which was pretty meh.
Wish I could 3/5 stack again, whilst not spending an hour for 3rr.
Am I tripping or has the flags changed since we lasted talked lol. I think from a streamer perspective I would agree that closer matches would be better entertainment for the viewers than pub stomps but at the same time the majority of the streamers are watched because people want to watch them destroy. Back in CS, shroud had 10k viewers while still on c9 because he would make everyone look like bots in pugs and fpl/rank s. Back when being A+ on esea was the real deal. Same reason why he blew up on pubg because of him just destroying everyone.
As you said, growing up playing sports. We are competitors and we love to compete and win. It is nice to have a curb stomp here and there because it is nice to not be stressed but close games are more fun. Growing up on sports, the close games were always the most stressful but most satisfying because typically it was well played from both teams.
I do agree that the dumbed down aspects really is a turn off for me. Like I said, nothing is more frustrating than being destroyed by a player over and over again that you know you're better than. Like for me, it would be like in baseball striking out or grounding/flying out against a pitcher you know you can tee off on or missing an easy shot in football that you know you should have scored a goal on.
Regarding what you said about shroud and s0m again. They are better than majority of the players yes, s0m more than shroud. I think it's not that CS is easier but CS is a lot more punishing and easier to punish players for making mistakes as where in Valorant, you can get rewarded for being dumb. And yes It is a shame you can't 5 stack and the fact you gain no elo sucks as well. I remember waiting 20 mins for a game to get 5 rr. The game is most fun when played with friends but oh well. These posts are longer than I originally intended.
bonkbonk [#61]Well bro getting smurfed by radiants constantly in lower ranks defo makes it feel like the skill ceiling is higher xd
Valorant has a bad smurfing problem.
Larry [#69]Am I tripping or has the flags changed since we lasted talked lol. I think from a streamer perspective I would agree that closer matches would be better entertainment for the viewers than pub stomps but at the same time the majority of the streamers are watched because people want to watch them destroy. Back in CS, shroud had 10k viewers while still on c9 because he would make everyone look like bots in pugs and fpl/rank s. Back when being A+ on esea was the real deal. Same reason why he blew up on pubg because of him just destroying everyone.
As you said, growing up playing sports. We are competitors and we love to compete and win. It is nice to have a curb stomp here and there because it is nice to not be stressed but close games are more fun. Growing up on sports, the close games were always the most stressful but most satisfying because typically it was well played from both teams.
I do agree that the dumbed down aspects really is a turn off for me. Like I said, nothing is more frustrating than being destroyed by a player over and over again that you know you're better than. Like for me, it would be like in baseball striking out or grounding/flying out against a pitcher you know you can tee off on or missing an easy shot in football that you know you should have scored a goal on.
Regarding what you said about shroud and s0m again. They are better than majority of the players yes, s0m more than shroud. I think it's not that CS is easier but CS is a lot more punishing and easier to punish players for making mistakes as where in Valorant, you can get rewarded for being dumb. And yes It is a shame you can't 5 stack and the fact you gain no elo sucks as well. I remember waiting 20 mins for a game to get 5 rr. The game is most fun when played with friends but oh well. These posts are longer than I originally intended.
Yeah, this has gone on for so long lol. I always end up making threads far much longer than they need to be xD
Flags look the same to me, but I might be lost as fuck lol
The dumbed down aspects, I dislike, but dont mind. I get frustrated when I die to someone mid jump with an AK, or phantom. It's unfortunate, somewhat tilting. In the end, I've ran into more bullshit on games like cs, where I've been mid jump no scoped from T spawn while I was jumping across a smoked double doors on dust2. Shit happens. In mid to lower elo, the skill ceiling doesn't matter. My issue with the skill ceiling, is at the top level.
You're right with Cs being more punishing. It's why I always enjoyed the comp side of Cs, but never the fpl/pug streams from pro players. Same reason why I couldn't watch shroud that much, until he came back from mixer(before mixer he had the personality of a snail, but great gameplay), and somehow gained a personality because he can just play whatever he wants not.
Watching pubs and playing pubs in a game where you dont 16-3 or 16-8 opponents while dropping 30-40, is honestly a lot more fun. In comp, go for the stomps. I'm more than happy with a 13-0 in an event, compared to a 13-10 or 13-11. That shit wears you down if you're playing consecutive matches in one day.
Pubs, fuck 13-0s. that shit makes me bored out of my mind if every match i'm winning, is a 13-4, 13-5, etc. It's fun in the beginning, but if it lasts weeks. I tend to just get bored and go onto the next subject. It happened to me on console, over and over. Went from CoD, to tlou, to uncharted, to killzone, to gears of war, halo, etc.
It's why I wish I tried to get into the comp side of either of those games, as what drives me is playing against better people and seeing where I could improve from my mistakes.
It's why I enjoy tac fps games after coming to pc. There are people who've spent tens of thousands of hours in the genre, and I find it so much fun to play against better people. Shit drives me to improve, and I love it. playing against people I know I'm better than, shit is just demotivating.
Ibis [#67]I like him he just won’t be the best valorant player that’s it
won't is a strong word, he has the potential to be the best but not automatically <<
Raevus [#71]Yeah, this has gone on for so long lol. I always end up making threads far much longer than they need to be xD
Flags look the same to me, but I might be lost as fuck lol
The dumbed down aspects, I dislike, but dont mind. I get frustrated when I die to someone mid jump with an AK, or phantom. It's unfortunate, somewhat tilting. In the end, I've ran into more bullshit on games like cs, where I've been mid jump no scoped from T spawn while I was jumping across a smoked double doors on dust2. Shit happens. In mid to lower elo, the skill ceiling doesn't matter. My issue with the skill ceiling, is at the top level.
You're right with Cs being more punishing. It's why I always enjoyed the comp side of Cs, but never the fpl/pug streams from pro players. Same reason why I couldn't watch shroud that much, until he came back from mixer(before mixer he had the personality of a snail, but great gameplay), and somehow gained a personality because he can just play whatever he wants not.
Watching pubs and playing pubs in a game where you dont 16-3 or 16-8 opponents while dropping 30-40, is honestly a lot more fun. In comp, go for the stomps. I'm more than happy with a 13-0 in an event, compared to a 13-10 or 13-11. That shit wears you down if you're playing consecutive matches in one day.
Pubs, fuck 13-0s. that shit makes me bored out of my mind if every match i'm winning, is a 13-4, 13-5, etc. It's fun in the beginning, but if it lasts weeks. I tend to just get bored and go onto the next subject. It happened to me on console, over and over. Went from CoD, to tlou, to uncharted, to killzone, to gears of war, halo, etc.
It's why I wish I tried to get into the comp side of either of those games, as what drives me is playing against better people and seeing where I could improve from my mistakes.It's why I enjoy tac fps games after coming to pc. There are people who've spent tens of thousands of hours in the genre, and I find it so much fun to play against better people. Shit drives me to improve, and I love it. playing against people I know I'm better than, shit is just demotivating.
Sorry, I meant to reply yesterday but never got the notification lol.
I get randomness occurs in games with running or jumping shots. I just see it happen way more in Valorant than in CS whether it happens to me, my teammate, or YouTube/stream. It’s pretty much at a point where it’s not even random anymore and just considered a norm.
Regarding shroud, used to watch him a lot back in c9. Dude was racking up viewers back then and only blew up more. With that being said, I can’t stand the guy. Dude is just a brick wall who changes his opinion every two seconds. Dude has been shitting on cs ever since he retired. Calls it dead, then he said cs is harder, then he said cs is easier, like buddy make up your mind. Cant watch big streamers. Only person who I don’t understand who people watch more is pokimane.
Ibis [#47]Tier 1 for me is more than top 5. Plus the players you mentioned switched at the beginning of the game (mostly) and would be years ahead of s1mple
By your logic no one who started playing CSGO before s1mple plays nowadays, right? Those people would be better than him, otherwise.
ZoldyK [#30]Seems like this guy didnt watch Tarik when he first switched
He was even worse than S1mple and look at him now
They just have to grind.
All big teams in EU/CIS/NA/BR have at least one player who was in CSGO scene (pro, academy or fpl)
FlickMaster [#57]People forgot how much information you need to carry in CS to be a pro player, Valorant is not even close of CS performance right now. If you ask any smart CS player they will say you same thing: s1mple will destroy in valorant.
Not only because his aim, but because his brain is too used to play 5x5.
+1
Btw, s1mple isn't top 1 CSGO player in the world, he is top 1 CSGO player in HISTORY.
Guy was playing valorant when this game didn't even exist:
Larry [#73]Sorry, I meant to reply yesterday but never got the notification lol.
I get randomness occurs in games with running or jumping shots. I just see it happen way more in Valorant than in CS whether it happens to me, my teammate, or YouTube/stream. It’s pretty much at a point where it’s not even random anymore and just considered a norm.
Regarding shroud, used to watch him a lot back in c9. Dude was racking up viewers back then and only blew up more. With that being said, I can’t stand the guy. Dude is just a brick wall who changes his opinion every two seconds. Dude has been shitting on cs ever since he retired. Calls it dead, then he said cs is harder, then he said cs is easier, like buddy make up your mind. Cant watch big streamers. Only person who I don’t understand who people watch more is pokimane.
I've watched shroud on and off the past few years. Dude was boring as fuck before he came back to mixer. However from what I remember, his opinion on Cs was;
Harder to be good at, more punishable, etc.
Easy for the people who have 15k hours in the game, at a pub level. So outside of comp, you can clearly see the difference in 5k hours, compared to 15. Even the last time he went on CS, he was still stomping people. When old Cs players go back to mess around, they're still stomping people who actively play the game.
that's what my interpretation of his opinions were.
Other than that, I dont really watch him that much. dude has a personality of a plank. Always prefered Tarik over him in terms of gameplay and content. Same with s0m, although I only learned of s0m from Val, as I wasn't huge on NA CS, and only followed EU.
randomness, I feel is also highlighted by the boom in Valorant on streaming websites, on social media, and youtube. If CS had the amount of content that content creators are putting out, we'd see the same shit.
I have had more random shit happen in val, than Cs. I wont even deny that. However i've had more jumping awp deaths in Cs than on val. Just I've ran into so many running riflers in val that it gets tilting after awhile. There seems to be such a little punishment for running and gunning. The phantom, I can somewhat get. It has a similar running shooting inaccuracy that cs has with the m4.
I haven't tested the ak and vandal yet. Only did the m4, which was pretty similar.
I know Cs is less random than Val. more methodical than Val. The randomness I feel is just more accessible to see. I will agree that with Val, it is too normalised to run and gun with a vandal, or phantom. It will always be like that until proper punishments for running while shooting are in. It's also annoying that there's next to 0 counterstrafing required in Val. Just let go of your keys for 0.1s and you're sorted.
Just wish Val made counterstrafing and bhopping something, so people have some other mechanics that can futher increase the skill ceiling of the game.
kumi [#81]good take actually,
probably even harder for cis/eu but look at jonji, Cooper, guys that are pretty respected in csgo that switched pretty late to val, they didnt stand a chance against the playstyle and speed of the game and had to go back
Jonji and Cooper respected in csgo?
kumi [#81]good take actually,
probably even harder for cis/eu but look at jonji, Cooper, guys that are pretty respected in csgo that switched pretty late to val, they didnt stand a chance against the playstyle and speed of the game and had to go back
s1mple is 4 tiers above Jonji and Cooper
alara_acendfan [#50]this is ridiculous, why do you think he would adapt to game mechanics a lot faster than top tier players around the world
because i hit diamond with less than 150 hours of gameplay and basically 20 hours of cs experience
item [#83]s1mple is 4 tiers above Jonji and Cooper
and jonji and cooper were playing at tier 3 na levels, whats your point
Jawa [#24]tenz, shahzam, steel, leaf, xeppa, scream, jamppi, derke, nivera, mixwell, hiko, even stewie, tarik, etc... literally every single ex-csgo pro player that moves to valorant does well in the game, even if they weren't tier 1 before
then why would s1mple, the best csgo player in the world, not be a tier 1 player in valorant? He would. Easily...
Forgetting Skadoodle, nitro, autimatic, brax, azk, Happy, NBK, mixwell, gob b, pyth, Ex6TenZ?
gladiii [#88]funny how washed up csgo pros are the best players in this low skill NA fps game, s1mple can easily be the #1
Even TenZ can be good in this Game lul
gladiii [#88]funny how washed up csgo pros are the best players in this low skill NA fps game, s1mple can easily be the #1
why are u this mad to come from HLTV to make an account and talk? xdd chill man its not that serious
Arisqq [#90]why are u this mad to come from HLTV to make an account and talk? xdd chill man its not that serious
i m not mad bro its just a fact
gladiii [#91]i m not mad bro its just a fact
every riot game is more for casuals and not for hardcore comp like dota or cs
gladiii [#91]i m not mad bro its just a fact
u def got mad at what he said since u made an account cmon man im not 12
Arisqq [#90]why are u this mad to come from HLTV to make an account and talk? xdd chill man its not that serious
even this whole website is hltv 2.0 luuuul
gladiii [#92]every riot game is more for casuals and not for hardcore comp like dota or cs
ok but no one care u play what u want lol
gladiii [#94]even this whole website is hltv 2.0 luuuul
ok but why are u here then ? cuz u got man at what someone said xd
Arisqq [#96]ok but why are u here then ? cuz u got man at what someone said xd
because you guys are funny
gladiii [#97]because you guys are funny
no ur funny man u make an account for a site of a game u dont like =) and u got mad at what a nobody said
Arisqq [#99]no ur funny man u make an account for a site of a game u dont like =) and u got mad at what a nobody said
i actually like valorant but its a nice sidegame like fifa and cannot be taken seriously like cs
gladiii [#100]i actually like valorant but its a nice sidegame like fifa and cannot be taken seriously like cs
valve dont take cs seriously to sadly XDDDD
gladiii [#102]nah they dont see valorant as a rival
well they cant even compete with Riot cuz they dont do anything to compete with Riot game has no updates and LOL is by far the biggest game 115m players
gladiii [#102]nah they dont see valorant as a rival
and look what shroud has to say about csgo =) https://afkgaming.com/csgo/news/shroud-wants-csgo-to-step-up-and-compete-with-valorant-gives-a-few-pointers
Raevus [#77]I've watched shroud on and off the past few years. Dude was boring as fuck before he came back to mixer. However from what I remember, his opinion on Cs was;
Harder to be good at, more punishable, etc.
Easy for the people who have 15k hours in the game, at a pub level. So outside of comp, you can clearly see the difference in 5k hours, compared to 15. Even the last time he went on CS, he was still stomping people. When old Cs players go back to mess around, they're still stomping people who actively play the game.that's what my interpretation of his opinions were.
Other than that, I dont really watch him that much. dude has a personality of a plank. Always prefered Tarik over him in terms of gameplay and content. Same with s0m, although I only learned of s0m from Val, as I wasn't huge on NA CS, and only followed EU.
randomness, I feel is also highlighted by the boom in Valorant on streaming websites, on social media, and youtube. If CS had the amount of content that content creators are putting out, we'd see the same shit.
I have had more random shit happen in val, than Cs. I wont even deny that. However i've had more jumping awp deaths in Cs than on val. Just I've ran into so many running riflers in val that it gets tilting after awhile. There seems to be such a little punishment for running and gunning. The phantom, I can somewhat get. It has a similar running shooting inaccuracy that cs has with the m4.
I haven't tested the ak and vandal yet. Only did the m4, which was pretty similar.I know Cs is less random than Val. more methodical than Val. The randomness I feel is just more accessible to see. I will agree that with Val, it is too normalised to run and gun with a vandal, or phantom. It will always be like that until proper punishments for running while shooting are in. It's also annoying that there's next to 0 counterstrafing required in Val. Just let go of your keys for 0.1s and you're sorted.
Just wish Val made counterstrafing and bhopping something, so people have some other mechanics that can futher increase the skill ceiling of the game.
Hello,
I just saw this and will reply to this in the morning (for me)
Have a good day.
Arisqq [#105]and look what shroud has to say about csgo =) https://afkgaming.com/csgo/news/shroud-wants-csgo-to-step-up-and-compete-with-valorant-gives-a-few-pointers
SHR OMEGALUL UD
dude has a hate boner for csgo ever since c9 went literally from bottom tier 1 team to winning the next fucking major by doing -shroud +tarik
As1anM4shad0W [#6]he is best fps player in the world. he can destroy anyone he just need some times for that. even 30 years old s1mple can win major in valorant.
it's quite hard to consistently win majors in valorant due to the shifting meta unlike cs:go as some decent teams might get a meta buff and some top tier teams might get a nerf due to the meta change.
Arisqq [#105]and look what shroud has to say about csgo =) https://afkgaming.com/csgo/news/shroud-wants-csgo-to-step-up-and-compete-with-valorant-gives-a-few-pointers
shroud was by far one of the worst cs players back then, fucking big paycheck and not winning anything at this time lul, he's just salty that he was always getting rekt
sumihiro [#111]2022 and people still take NA washed up players opinion like they are god lmao NA sucks in CS, everyone who switched was a T2, T3 player
ikr #108
kumi [#85]yes in the na scene ...???
and the na tier 2 scene is complete trash,they cant even keep up with eu tier 3 in cs,grim and junior were consider prodigies in na and were consistently having over 1.10 kd in na but ended up just being decent or average vs other teams
kumi [#85]yes in the na scene ...???
Respected
NA Scene
Bruh... In NA only C9, Liquid, SK, IMT, FURIA, NRG/EG, CoL and RNG are/were respected and are/were tier 1 in World Scene. All the others are tier 3. If you consider only NA Scene those are tier 1,75 in their best day.
Jonji and Cooper played lots of FPL matches with big names and were friends with them, but they aren't respected as great players, bcz they are not.
mauge67 [#114]and the na tier 2 scene is complete trash,they cant even keep up with eu tier 3 in cs,grim and junior were consider prodigies in na and were consistently having over 1.10 kd in na but ended up just being decent or average vs other teams
+1 Brazilian teams swept NA scene, btw.
Raevus [#77]I've watched shroud on and off the past few years. Dude was boring as fuck before he came back to mixer. However from what I remember, his opinion on Cs was;
Harder to be good at, more punishable, etc.
Easy for the people who have 15k hours in the game, at a pub level. So outside of comp, you can clearly see the difference in 5k hours, compared to 15. Even the last time he went on CS, he was still stomping people. When old Cs players go back to mess around, they're still stomping people who actively play the game.that's what my interpretation of his opinions were.
Other than that, I dont really watch him that much. dude has a personality of a plank. Always prefered Tarik over him in terms of gameplay and content. Same with s0m, although I only learned of s0m from Val, as I wasn't huge on NA CS, and only followed EU.
randomness, I feel is also highlighted by the boom in Valorant on streaming websites, on social media, and youtube. If CS had the amount of content that content creators are putting out, we'd see the same shit.
I have had more random shit happen in val, than Cs. I wont even deny that. However i've had more jumping awp deaths in Cs than on val. Just I've ran into so many running riflers in val that it gets tilting after awhile. There seems to be such a little punishment for running and gunning. The phantom, I can somewhat get. It has a similar running shooting inaccuracy that cs has with the m4.
I haven't tested the ak and vandal yet. Only did the m4, which was pretty similar.I know Cs is less random than Val. more methodical than Val. The randomness I feel is just more accessible to see. I will agree that with Val, it is too normalised to run and gun with a vandal, or phantom. It will always be like that until proper punishments for running while shooting are in. It's also annoying that there's next to 0 counterstrafing required in Val. Just let go of your keys for 0.1s and you're sorted.
Just wish Val made counterstrafing and bhopping something, so people have some other mechanics that can futher increase the skill ceiling of the game.
Shroud has always been a brick wall but the average person on twitch thinks shroud is a god so they watch him follow him etc. Those of us who have been around for awhile know what shroud is really like. Haven’t watched him since at least 2018. Don’t get how people watch Pokimane as well. Simp nation. Regarding what you said, i haven’t really seen any players who were former CS pros who go back and play CS who destroy kids. I remember watching subroza and brax play CS with Stewie or Tarik awhile back and they struggled.
NA CS always produced the best content, shame you didn’t watch it when it was popping. People think na CS is dead now but it’s in a rebuilding phase. If you look at the majority of players from Val who left CS weren’t achieving or accomplishing anything in CS so if they left how does that make a scene dead? Idk just my opinion. If that was the case the scene was dead along before Valorant. I will say the same problems in na CS will and has already occurred in na Val.
Regarding your content comment. Valorant is the trend game to play right now, therefore a lot of content creators are playing it right now, not to mention the game attracts a lot of kid viewers. It reminds me a lot of when Fortnite was the trend game to play. With the NA region there is always one game that is trendy that everyone plays and then they game hop to the next game. No one ever stays with a game long term anymore.
With Tarik, been following Tarik since 2017. Watched him and his streams on and off forever however I hardly watch him anymore. I can’t stand his new viewers and viewer base. It’s good to see he’s doing well, always had a good personality but his viewer base is cringe now. I remember he got 50k during the major and that was nuts. I would like to see Tarik some day come back to CS and compete though. Feel like he still got more in the tank and I refuse to believe his last play was him whiffing on overpass on that flank.
I do agree it would be nice for Valorant to add a higher skill gap. Add some actual movement and gun skill instead of having it be so dumb downed. Make some great points about counter strafing. You can have terrible movement and still be considered a good player in Valorant which is dumb imo. Movement is one thing that separates good players from great players.
Larry [#120]Shroud has always been a brick wall but the average person on twitch thinks shroud is a god so they watch him follow him etc. Those of us who have been around for awhile know what shroud is really like. Haven’t watched him since at least 2018. Don’t get how people watch Pokimane as well. Simp nation. Regarding what you said, i haven’t really seen any players who were former CS pros who go back and play CS who destroy kids. I remember watching subroza and brax play CS with Stewie or Tarik awhile back and they struggled.
NA CS always produced the best content, shame you didn’t watch it when it was popping. People think na CS is dead now but it’s in a rebuilding phase. If you look at the majority of players from Val who left CS weren’t achieving or accomplishing anything in CS so if they left how does that make a scene dead? Idk just my opinion. If that was the case the scene was dead along before Valorant. I will say the same problems in na CS will and has already occurred in na Val.
Regarding your content comment. Valorant is the trend game to play right now, therefore a lot of content creators are playing it right now, not to mention the game attracts a lot of kid viewers. It reminds me a lot of when Fortnite was the trend game to play. With the NA region there is always one game that is trendy that everyone plays and then they game hop to the next game. No one ever stays with a game long term anymore.
With Tarik, been following Tarik since 2017. Watched him and his streams on and off forever however I hardly watch him anymore. I can’t stand his new viewers and viewer base. It’s good to see he’s doing well, always had a good personality but his viewer base is cringe now. I remember he got 50k during the major and that was nuts. I would like to see Tarik some day come back to CS and compete though. Feel like he still got more in the tank and I refuse to believe his last play was him whiffing on overpass on that flank.
I do agree it would be nice for Valorant to add a higher skill gap. Add some actual movement and gun skill instead of having it be so dumb downed. Make some great points about counter strafing. You can have terrible movement and still be considered a good player in Valorant which is dumb imo. Movement is one thing that separates good players from great players.
Just gonna break it up into paragraphs for each paragraph to respond.
1) Shroud was a pub god. the guy in comp was average, but when he went into pub matches, he would make a highlight every match multiple times. However, what people forget. Most pros can do this, but they just wernt as marketed as shroud was back in the glory days of him being posted on the reddit page every day.
I think it was a few weeks ago. Saw a few val players just chilling and going back to cs for a bit, just chilling in fpl and faceit. Could still clearly see how good they were compared to the other people. Again, it's similar to shroud in pubs. They still have the experience of 5/10/15k hours in the game, and it does show.
2) The reason NA cs "died" after val came out, isn't that players swapped. It's that no large org was investing in the scene. People didn't leave the scene because they wernt signed to top tier orgs. They left because valve left them in shambled after covid hit. Orgs pulled out, events stopped, and no money was being pumped around. Then val came along and took what potential prospects the scene had. Which imo were players that cold compete at higher levels (Xeppa, Leaf, s0m, wardell, etc). They were all young enough and huge potential prospects from the scene.
I will agree that the scene isn't dead. It's rebuilding, much like you said. the scene will rebuild it self. It's just at the point if newer players will go to CS to try to make a future, or to valorant.
3) with val being a trend game. I see it started as a trend, but getting more cemented in what it is. Even fortnite right now gets good viewership. Not what it was, but far more stable than other games. Val I can see being on the same track. Getting a table viewership, much like how league does.
Cs is by far a titan in esports with viewership, but other than that. It was never a competing game on twitch for content creators. On youtube, it's a different story. CS is just a really odd game for things such as streaming, etc. This might be because I wasn't there in it's peak for content creation. Just the past couple years I've been watching cs streams. It's always low until a large streamer carries the catagory, be it gAuLeS, s1mple, etc.
4) Tarik, I watch him here and there just because I find him funny. I tend to watch streams with the chat sidebarred so I dont see the random shit. him on val, or on cs. I feel he can compete on either. Dude was nuts on CS (unfortunate last few months on EG), and is by far insane on val(in terms of ranked, so hard to gauge where he is at). I'm not sure if he'll go back to competing. if he does, idm which game. Just thought he was insane.
5) I wish they added more mechanics. sitting in my ranked lobbies, I see people who are imm2/3 with god awful movement, but decent aim.
Just wish bhopping was a thing and counter strafing. I'd love more mechanics that involve jumping. Still love playing Cs and just making my way through mirage on mid window to short in the span of a couple jumps. I've failed it thousands of times, and succeeded with it. nothing in val gets that, unless I sit there using raze satchels to get around the map. they're the most fun I've had with movement that i've ever had on val.
kumi [#86]and jonji and cooper were playing at tier 3 na levels, whats your point
Just because two fairly decent people at CS couldn't make the jump doesn't mean s1mple couldn't???
delusional_sentinels_fan1 [#123]why is this thread still alive, mods please just take it down it's like a week old and still being spammed
because people like you keep commenting on it bro
item [#122]Just because two fairly decent people at CS couldn't make the jump doesn't mean s1mple couldn't???
No he could and he probably will bc of work ethic and his dedication, but I'm just pointing out that theres a history of csgo players not being able to make the switch when theyre joining late
Raevus [#121]Just gonna break it up into paragraphs for each paragraph to respond.
1) Shroud was a pub god. the guy in comp was average, but when he went into pub matches, he would make a highlight every match multiple times. However, what people forget. Most pros can do this, but they just wernt as marketed as shroud was back in the glory days of him being posted on the reddit page every day.
I think it was a few weeks ago. Saw a few val players just chilling and going back to cs for a bit, just chilling in fpl and faceit. Could still clearly see how good they were compared to the other people. Again, it's similar to shroud in pubs. They still have the experience of 5/10/15k hours in the game, and it does show.
2) The reason NA cs "died" after val came out, isn't that players swapped. It's that no large org was investing in the scene. People didn't leave the scene because they wernt signed to top tier orgs. They left because valve left them in shambled after covid hit. Orgs pulled out, events stopped, and no money was being pumped around. Then val came along and took what potential prospects the scene had. Which imo were players that cold compete at higher levels (Xeppa, Leaf, s0m, wardell, etc). They were all young enough and huge potential prospects from the scene.
I will agree that the scene isn't dead. It's rebuilding, much like you said. the scene will rebuild it self. It's just at the point if newer players will go to CS to try to make a future, or to valorant.3) with val being a trend game. I see it started as a trend, but getting more cemented in what it is. Even fortnite right now gets good viewership. Not what it was, but far more stable than other games. Val I can see being on the same track. Getting a table viewership, much like how league does.
Cs is by far a titan in esports with viewership, but other than that. It was never a competing game on twitch for content creators. On youtube, it's a different story. CS is just a really odd game for things such as streaming, etc. This might be because I wasn't there in it's peak for content creation. Just the past couple years I've been watching cs streams. It's always low until a large streamer carries the catagory, be it gAuLeS, s1mple, etc.4) Tarik, I watch him here and there just because I find him funny. I tend to watch streams with the chat sidebarred so I dont see the random shit. him on val, or on cs. I feel he can compete on either. Dude was nuts on CS (unfortunate last few months on EG), and is by far insane on val(in terms of ranked, so hard to gauge where he is at). I'm not sure if he'll go back to competing. if he does, idm which game. Just thought he was insane.
5) I wish they added more mechanics. sitting in my ranked lobbies, I see people who are imm2/3 with god awful movement, but decent aim.
Just wish bhopping was a thing and counter strafing. I'd love more mechanics that involve jumping. Still love playing Cs and just making my way through mirage on mid window to short in the span of a couple jumps. I've failed it thousands of times, and succeeded with it. nothing in val gets that, unless I sit there using raze satchels to get around the map. they're the most fun I've had with movement that i've ever had on val.
First off, I would like to say you are one of the few people on this site where you can have an actual conversation with.
Kind of done with the shroud topic so I won't say much about it but my opinion of him hasn't changed. I get everyone has the right to their own opinion but the fact he changes his every two weeks just loses validation imo.
Regarding NA CS, one thing a lot of people tend to never bring up or forget is how the problems in NA CS were occurring way before Valorant and way before covid. NA CS had a problem with the players in the scene with players caring more about egos and reputation rather than putting their full focus on winning. Regardless if there were orgs or not in the scene, i think the players would have left either way. Why would you be a t2-t3 na cs player when you could have the opportunity to be a t1 player in val where you will obviously be better than the majority. There will plenty of orgs invested in NA but time after time players failed to produce so orgs left. Can't really blame them. The players in the scene were responsible for the downfall but the rebuild is good. Covid definitely didn't help with orgs investing or coming back because everything being based in Europe but hopefully when lans and events come back especially in NA. Things will be better.
The reason why I said valorant is the trend game, it is more specifically trendy in just NA. You look at the majority of the content creators who play it, they are all NA and it has a good kid viewership so it's just easy views atm. I know fortnite still has good viewership but it doesn't have the hype it once had. I remember my grade 12 year in 2019 EVERYONE was playing fortnite. Giving I do live in NA and the majority were playing on consoles but still. Everyone played it. NA has always been a region where people play games on what is currently trendy. No one plays games in the long run anymore. CS just doesn't have the content creators that it used to have. One thing that CS could do to have better viewership besides just the official matches is having more pros stream but no pros stream or it is very rare. Mainly because a lot of the big content creators who did play it were all on the verge of being semi pro like Tim and summit. I remember when xQC and DrDisrespect played CS. Good content to laugh. CS has a lot of good content on youtube like you mentioned.
Tarik is insane, he still has a lot of potential. He did say if he were going to go pro again it would be in CS however. I know he had a rough last couple months in the pro scene but everyone on EG did. Not the biggest fan of what Ethan did to the team but he cucked them hard and tarik was the glue and hype man on the team. When he left they lost that. Everyone on EG needed a change. I think stan is a good igl but had fragging issues and needed to go awhile ago. It's like he didn't want to be there. I wish tarik would stream cs more but val is easy content for him right now especially with kid viewers. His new viewer base though is quite cringe like we both said.
I agree with everything you said on #5.
Larry [#128]First off, I would like to say you are one of the few people on this site where you can have an actual conversation with.
Kind of done with the shroud topic so I won't say much about it but my opinion of him hasn't changed. I get everyone has the right to their own opinion but the fact he changes his every two weeks just loses validation imo.
Regarding NA CS, one thing a lot of people tend to never bring up or forget is how the problems in NA CS were occurring way before Valorant and way before covid. NA CS had a problem with the players in the scene with players caring more about egos and reputation rather than putting their full focus on winning. Regardless if there were orgs or not in the scene, i think the players would have left either way. Why would you be a t2-t3 na cs player when you could have the opportunity to be a t1 player in val where you will obviously be better than the majority. There will plenty of orgs invested in NA but time after time players failed to produce so orgs left. Can't really blame them. The players in the scene were responsible for the downfall but the rebuild is good. Covid definitely didn't help with orgs investing or coming back because everything being based in Europe but hopefully when lans and events come back especially in NA. Things will be better.
The reason why I said valorant is the trend game, it is more specifically trendy in just NA. You look at the majority of the content creators who play it, they are all NA and it has a good kid viewership so it's just easy views atm. I know fortnite still has good viewership but it doesn't have the hype it once had. I remember my grade 12 year in 2019 EVERYONE was playing fortnite. Giving I do live in NA and the majority were playing on consoles but still. Everyone played it. NA has always been a region where people play games on what is currently trendy. No one plays games in the long run anymore. CS just doesn't have the content creators that it used to have. One thing that CS could do to have better viewership besides just the official matches is having more pros stream but no pros stream or it is very rare. Mainly because a lot of the big content creators who did play it were all on the verge of being semi pro like Tim and summit. I remember when xQC and DrDisrespect played CS. Good content to laugh. CS has a lot of good content on youtube like you mentioned.
Tarik is insane, he still has a lot of potential. He did say if he were going to go pro again it would be in CS however. I know he had a rough last couple months in the pro scene but everyone on EG did. Not the biggest fan of what Ethan did to the team but he cucked them hard and tarik was the glue and hype man on the team. When he left they lost that. Everyone on EG needed a change. I think stan is a good igl but had fragging issues and needed to go awhile ago. It's like he didn't want to be there. I wish tarik would stream cs more but val is easy content for him right now especially with kid viewers. His new viewer base though is quite cringe like we both said.
I agree with everything you said on #5.
Actually had fun having a discussion with you ngl
With shroud, ye fair enough. Not much else we can talk about regarding him tbh
With NA, there will always be people who swapped over who could have had a decent future on CS. A few players never hit their potential on the game (s0m, wardell, TenZ ironically, SicK). They're all young enough, or were young enough that we never saw their peak in CS. It's a shame we most likely never will.
Everything else you said I agree with.
With the "kid" viewership, it's the same CS had during 1.6, or even GO days. Majoirty of CS fans towards the end of 1.6, and start of GO. Were all my age. I'm currently 25, and was 16 when csgo first came out, and all the fans were either the old CSS, or 1.6 fans. The new wave of fans were my age. It's just how things go. New generations come join the viewership, and grow with the game. Nothing changed from the start of val, from the start of league, or csgo.
Only difference between CS and Val, is Val seems more approachable by actual kids, where as CS was always targeted at teens.
the reason I'm more hopeful with Val than Fortnite, or other trend games (amoungus, fallguys, etc). Is primarily because of the company behind it. Riot have kept league as a trending game for the greater part of a decade. I'd be surprised if they can't keep it up. Even with their two new games coming out (mmo, and fighting game).
EG did have a rough past year or so. Especially Cerq. From his original performance, to what we see now. Night and day.
with tariks viewership, it's the same cringe as most other viewers. Not as bad as say shahzams, or TenZ viewers, bnut that's from my experience in seeing them. However that's just how things happen. New environment, new audience, etc. I tend to ignore twitch chat 90% of the time, be it on official streams, or content creators. Rather watch the gameplay which is what I find entertaining.
Raevus [#129]Actually had fun having a discussion with you ngl
With shroud, ye fair enough. Not much else we can talk about regarding him tbh
With NA, there will always be people who swapped over who could have had a decent future on CS. A few players never hit their potential on the game (s0m, wardell, TenZ ironically, SicK). They're all young enough, or were young enough that we never saw their peak in CS. It's a shame we most likely never will.
Everything else you said I agree with.With the "kid" viewership, it's the same CS had during 1.6, or even GO days. Majoirty of CS fans towards the end of 1.6, and start of GO. Were all my age. I'm currently 25, and was 16 when csgo first came out, and all the fans were either the old CSS, or 1.6 fans. The new wave of fans were my age. It's just how things go. New generations come join the viewership, and grow with the game. Nothing changed from the start of val, from the start of league, or csgo.
Only difference between CS and Val, is Val seems more approachable by actual kids, where as CS was always targeted at teens.
the reason I'm more hopeful with Val than Fortnite, or other trend games (amoungus, fallguys, etc). Is primarily because of the company behind it. Riot have kept league as a trending game for the greater part of a decade. I'd be surprised if they can't keep it up. Even with their two new games coming out (mmo, and fighting game).EG did have a rough past year or so. Especially Cerq. From his original performance, to what we see now. Night and day.
with tariks viewership, it's the same cringe as most other viewers. Not as bad as say shahzams, or TenZ viewers, bnut that's from my experience in seeing them. However that's just how things happen. New environment, new audience, etc. I tend to ignore twitch chat 90% of the time, be it on official streams, or content creators. Rather watch the gameplay which is what I find entertaining.
I've had fun discussing with you as well.
There were definitely some players with potential that switched that had potential to have successful careers. I think some of them gave up too soon. It's a shame but what can you do. I think the majority of val pros would rather play CS if they got paid too. I think one day they will come back. Hopefully Xeppaa does.
Yeah I started playing CS back in late 2016 early 2017 on and off. Being from NA, the lifestyle is very different compared to Europe. I didn't own a computer till I was 14 and I'm 20 now. I always played console growing up as most people do in NA because that is how it is here. Things like internet cafes don't exist here. I played minecraft on PC and was the only game I played. I played it from when it first came out till 2016. I would have probably never knew about CS if it weren't from the people I met on Minecraft that I became friends with. They showed me the game and I have enjoyed it on and off since.
Ironically enough, the two times when NA CS were at it's greatest points. I didn't pay attention or use my computer at all. I didn't know about C9 major win and Intel Grand Slam Liquid till a year later lol. I come back and they are really hit or miss now. The rebuild is looking good however so let's hope it goes well. CS needs NA in the long run. NA still brings good viewers and most the money and sponsorships come from NA.
Yeah the new viewer base is a shame but it is expected. It just sucks how cringe things can get. Let's hope EG retains form though. Cerq used to be a beast and still is. I just think they needed a change with stan. Brehze still a monster as well and I've know him for years. I hope they do well. They still have tons of potential.
S1mple is from cs:go mens, I don't see the future where Sasha destroys El Diablo in rifling. Valorant is different game in terms of shooting and utility usage so you need time * time to surpass all these decent pros who grind the game 10h day for 2 years. It's also almost impossible cuz s1mple is GOAT in cs, has 50k viewer base, hes every year major contender, and it's his comfortable zone, no one like him will switch to Valorant, time is already gone. In Valorant he would need to grind a lot to surpass all these pros, lose his cs audience, build a new contender team etc. So Sahsa will only destroy diamonds low immortals one time in 6 month when he will stream Valorant, no more.
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