Sacy v Aspas
2021-Sacy (Aspas didnt play)
2022-Sacy (Both got same placements but Sacy outperformed Aspas at Champs)
2023-Aspas (Sacy got unlucky with Sykko/Dephh and Aspas went insane)
2024-Sacy (Aspas made it close getting 3rd at champs but Sacy got 4th at champs + won madrid)
2025-Aspas (only due to Sacy not playing-Aspas is no longer the best player in AME, he is no longer the best duelist in AME, and he is no longer a top 3/5 player itw)
Sacy clears
Let's just take the team he's on right now for example, mibr.
Same coach and some players stayed/swapped, and aspas comes in and night and day difference. They genuinely looked like the worst franchised team from any region before, even dfm looked better. Now, one match off qualifying to Bangkok, currently looking great and only one loss which was a very close game to the international finalists G2 (who lost to stax and buzz 🐐🐐🐐). You don't even need the stats to know he's the biggest reason the team is doing well now, just look at their games.
some players stayed/swapped
they changed 4 out of 5 players
Same coach
frod was AC for most of the season, he started being main coach on stage 2 and only played 5 matches: 1 with NA subs, 2 with jetlagged players who barely scrimmed, fourth one was a fair loss and fifth one was their first win in months
current mibr has three of the best young talents from brasil, it would be a decent team with or without aspas, this is a dishonest narrative
LIkewise, saying something like "current mibr has three of the best young talents from brasil" is a stretch too no? You can argue they look good because they're playing with someone like aspas. If he wasn't there and mibr wasn't doing as well, then people would say stuff like 'give them time' 'they're just rookies' etc.
Nobody is saying that they're mid, they're good players for sure, but I can't imagine the team looking remotely close to how good they appear now if aspas wasn't there. Also, it's not just a one time thing that aspas is doing, he did it on lev too, go to an underperforming team and turning them around.
when DOESNT mibr have the 3 best young talents from brazil
they had liazzi rich palla last year
prior to that they had rglmeister jzz and frz
jzz heat frz in 23
mibr was just shit no matter who they had till aspas came in and saved the day. I dont see a world where xenom cortezia and artzin on a 2025 mibr without aspas doing anything of note
they had liazzi rich palla last year
roster with barely any practice that could've gone somewhere if they hadn't visa issues and riot format wasn't so icky
rglmeister jzz and frz
none of these are or were young talents at the time lol
heat
he only became good again on flex/senti
not saying they would be same level or better but mibr would be pretty decent with a lot of potential even without aspas (but then again they only changed their roster because they got aspas in the first place so)
I remember that there was an analysis showing round winrates on how likely a team was about to win a round depending on who died first. Aspas was far and away the most 'important' player by that metric. If he died first, his team was statistically had the highest chance of losing the round compared to any other player dying first from any other team.
Either way, he goes to lev, they somehow become a top team, he goes to mibr, they now look like a top team. And note that neither team was particularly good beforehand either, the latter was straight up the worst team in all of franchising.
Everyone knows sacy accomplished more, that’s not the only thing that matters tho, cause then chron is the indisputable goat
Sacy was individually less consistent in 2022, and way worse in 2023 and 2024 individually
The gap between them in terms of individual performance is pretty huge, and it’s not because sacy is an init, since Leo comes close to Aspas (would have surpassed him imo if he didn’t have to bench himself)
This is just a bad argument for goat. Out of curiosity, would you xypn9x ahead of simple and zywoo in a goat conversation, considering he won more
Hard disagree
Nats was better when he won Berlin. Leo, derke, Alfajer were better at lock-in. Alfajer and Leo were better at Tokyo. Combine that with some of his 2024 and 2025 performances, does that look like a goat to you? Mfs be saying anything at this point.
Do you think kiles is better than forsaken btw?
Goat is an individual title, valorant is a team game, trophies doesn’t equal skill. At least chronicle is close to goat status, sacy doesn’t even touch Aspas individually and not one good player would disagree. But yeah, would you consider xyp9x greater than simple zywoo Niko or dink, since he won more majors than them?
The principle is the same what? Trophies don’t mean individual skill, you don’t need to be an insane player to win a trophy, you just need to be a good player on the right team.
I swear you’re baiting at this point, go back and see how sacy played in 2024. Literally almost perma bottom frag and negative, cost them a lot of their losses too. You cannot seriously believe he’s better than Aspas.
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