why are there no female teams in tier1?

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MrBulbe

Just saw that in CS there is a female team in both BLAST bounty and IEM Katowice. Why is doesn't Valorant have female teams in tier 1 events?

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https://www.vlr.gg/279603/team-heretics-vs-g2-gozen-red-bull-home-ground-4-emea-qualifier-round-robin

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MrBulbe

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That is an off season event. People have been saying that those don't count

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bobwoblob

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Certain ones don't count. Like the spotlight thing is irrelevant when you're not even playing with the main team. Same for those random KCorp/japan show matches where it's just some bo1s that no one gives 2 shits about.

RBHG definitely counts though

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localkoolkid

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sorry, we should have gotten regular season Tier 1 vs GC games, our fault bro.

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Uribaba

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People may say that and it might be true for heretics too but not for gozen they had something to prove there you can't say they didn't play seriously

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Lucrix

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Women are allowed in tier 1 but no one wants to sign them except for flor

Here come the transphobes💀

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MrBulbe

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I saw that a female team is ranked 24th in the world in CS. Why is there such a discrepancy between both games?

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Lucrix

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Cs has been around far longer. Also, cs isn’t franchised so tier one in val is different from cs. There’s only what 48 teams? No team wants to run the risk of signing a team that probably can’t do much with where the gc talent is at right now

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bobwoblob

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They're 24th in the VRS because they farm prize pools from FE only events not because they're actually anywhere close to a top 24 team.

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dort

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it wouldn't be considered a tier 1 event then

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MrBulbe

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why not?

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dort

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all gc teams are trash
doesnt take a brain to figure that out

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Lucrix

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You’re not wrong but let’s keep in mind it’s not cuz they’re girls

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dort

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i dont recall mentioning anything about gender

all gc teams are trash and that's the simple truth, though i do believe they'd be useful for feeding wins to other teams (like SA does to NA)

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Lucrix

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Ik you didn’t say that, I was saying that so the degens didn’t come here and say that’s why they’re bad

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burritx

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Because T1 isn't open like CS, you can't play any T1 events if you're not partnered with Riot, unlike CS where you can theoretically qualify for any major events regardless of your tier

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MrBulbe

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So why do teams not sign teams like SR to play in tier 1? Best team in GC should at least be competitive in any league

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Lucrix

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They signed flor from sr who was the main hitter from that roster. Sr have tried to play in tier2 but they always lose before making it anywhere

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MrBulbe

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Yea, but why a team like C9 didn't sign the whole SR roster to play for them?

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Lucrix

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Alright so are you trolling orrrrr

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MrBulbe

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I am genuinely asking. Why a team with no real chance of doing anything in the league couldn't give a chance to a female team

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burritx

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Because they can just sign a roster that has a chance to do anything?

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Lucrix

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Probably because it’s not like c9 is the worst team in the league. They have a star duelist and some decent players backing him up. But your comment in china is crazy

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MrBulbe

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I used C9 as an example, there are definitely teams in VCT who have no hope of making playoffs.

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Lucrix

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With where the gc talent is at right now, all of the rosters probably have a better chance of doing something than the gc teams

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best team in gc does not mean competitive in any league

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MrBulbe

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Why not? SR would have definitely placed top 5 in China

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cobalt21312

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maybe, maybe not. regardless, its definitely cheaper (and better for fans) for a chinese team to get local talent

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bobwoblob

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Ok now you're definitely trolling lol.

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burritx

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because to them that's a no brainer move, they already are bleeding money from having to field a team so why would they risk losing more money by having a team with no proper T1 experience and not even T2 experience? It sucks but it's true not a single GC team has managed to play in T2 leagues yet

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Lucrix

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He’s trolling I think

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girl pros aren't good

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MrBulbe

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How do we know that if they have never played in tier 1?

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nexate2003

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how do we know I'm not good if I haven't played in tier one? you're right you cant know how good I am until I play in tier one. Its almost as if they play in a league where the average radiant would dominate

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Just to let you know, LoL Esports used to have a league in Russia called the LCL, and there was a team called Vaevictus Esports which was an all female team, and I kid you not, they went 0-34 across the whole season they played in, and got relegated cuz of how shit they were. For reference, they literally lost a game in less than 15 minutes, and in one of their games had a kill gap of 50 (game ended 52-2) 💀

You can pretty much get the idea of what would happen if there was an all female team in tier 1 Valorant

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MrBulbe

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How do you even lose LoL game in 15 minutes?

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ninjaturtle

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I swear it would take 15 minutes to break a tower
They were just that bad lol

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One fan's take: Game Changers is partly why Tier 1 has been slow to incorporate women and marginalized genders into team lineups. For clarity I am not saying GC is bad or the problem, it is a visibility issue and IMO it's not gonna just magically fix itself.

From a player perspective: If you can get guaranteed a salaried spot in GC (ie: Top GC players), is it always worth the risk to try to move up to Tier 1? For some yes and that is awesome, some would rather stay in GC for the guarantee of salary or for other personal reasons, also great no problem. The players/coaches should do whatever they think is best and I support them, just trying to say that sometimes moving up to Tier 1 is not what is best for some individuals, same could be said for collegiate players.

I think there is also a structural issue that is hard to overcome when GC and Tier 1- Tier 2 are entirely different seasons, no chance of playing against each other in official tournaments, and therefore less chance that casual fans see women and other marginalized genders play. I consider myself an avid fan of Valorant E-Sports, so I enjoy watching anyone who is good/entertaining play. A lot of viewers are not avid fans, they have a favorite player, team, region, or only watch International events.

There are a couple of ways to fix that issue, and maybe you can argue that nothing needs to be done. Flor is on a Tier 1 roster, maybe this could be the start of a huge influx of teams at least more regularly trialing and hopefully signing more GC players. Personally I think there is still a visibility issue and the most obvious way to solve it for me would be inviting the top 2-3 GC teams from GC Champs to Tier 1 Champs, or at the very least including those teams in a play-in or something like an LCQ with Tier 1 teams. This would mean larger audiences get to see GC players/teams play against clouted teams like SEN, 100T, etc.

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bobwoblob

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CS only has it because the VRS is completely broken.

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BananaBezos1

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the only reason femele team get into tier1 cs tournament is femele league they farm, that how they sneak in. everyone know they not good enough. back in the days mix of twitch streamers beat the fuck out of best cs femele team