riot literally puts them at the same time they fucking cant lol
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Whysoseriousss [#2]That would actually require them to clear t3 first kekw
sr made it to top 16 this year theyre getting closer trust
moomoomoomeadows [#3]sr made it to top 16 this year theyre getting closer trust
Hopefully . We need new teams to benifit from gc , not same teams winning everytime but not going up .
moomoomoomeadows [#3]sr made it to top 16 this year theyre getting closer trust
lost to every half serious t3-4 team in those qualies,not really better than they did before
Whysoseriousss [#2]That would actually require them to clear t3 first kekw
g2 gozen went 3-0 in DACH invite div (beating the eventual winner and core of https://www.vlr.gg/team/9042/teamorangegaming week 1)
The top GC teams are t3 and just as capable as the other top t3 teams to win relegation and make it into t2
however it makes no sense for them to actually win it, since theyre already in the more stable league and the scedules are not exactly compatible
(and thats ignoring the fact that t3/t2 players are anything but welcoming to GC teams competing in their leagues... the amount of shit and hate heroics got for competing in invite div last split was genuinely pathetic)
edit of the edit (not that anyones reading this anymore, but for the record since the last edit was complete bs):
g2 did drop out of premier split 2 like I thought initially and did not take part in relegation (despite not dropping a game in premier) - I got confused and looked at the split 1 relegation, in which they lost to nxt 2-1 (who then made it to dach)
moomoomoomeadows [#3]sr made it to top 16 this year theyre getting closer trust
While they are the closest this is a nitpick. You are using arguably the best team in all of GC as an argument when you should be using the scene as a whole. The truth is that most GC teams are still too far from being there.
AlexSMTx [#12]While they are the closest this is a nitpick. You are using arguably the best team in all of GC as an argument when you should be using the scene as a whole. The truth is that most GC teams are still too far from being there.
The top GC teams are all pretty close: TL, G2, SR
Targu1n [#10]g2 gozen went 3-0 in DACH invite div (beating the eventual winner and core of https://www.vlr.gg/team/9042/teamorangegaming week 1)
The top GC teams are t3 and just as capable as the other top t3 teams to win relegation and make it into t2
however it makes no sense for them to actually win it, since theyre already in the more stable league and the scedules are not exactly compatible(and thats ignoring the fact that t3/t2 players are anything but welcoming to GC teams competing in their leagues... the amount of shit and hate heroics got for competing in invite div last split was genuinely pathetic)
edit of the edit (not that anyones reading this anymore, but for the record since the last edit was complete bs):
g2 did drop out of premier split 2 like I thought initially and did not take part in relegation (despite not dropping a game in premier) - I got confused and looked at the split 1 relegation, in which they lost to nxt 2-1 (who then made it to dach)
Hate on HEROIC where, and when did that come from?
Also where did u get the results from where they beat the said team u mentioned?
KzX [#14]Hate on HEROIC where, and when did that come from?
Also where did u get the results from where they beat the said team u mentioned?
on twitter (/semi public discords) from other players in the northern europe invite division (a gc team gets byes when the schedule conflicts and they cant take part in premier that round, so thats what created the tension)
People got salty at that initially, but the accusations and shit that was being said about the team kept escalating to the point where it was just aspiring pros intentionally hating on them every chance they got
and just public trackers (https://u.gg/val/leaderboards/premier?page=1&premierZone=eu_dach&premierSeason=6f067888-4acd-15a4-93a4-a2a11ac4d279 + https://www.vlr.gg/event/1948/challengers-league-2024-dach-evolution-split-1/relegation for g2 for example)
Targu1n [#15]on twitter (/semi public discords) from other players in the northern europe invite division (a gc team gets byes when the schedule conflicts and they cant take part in premier that round, so thats what created the tension)
People got salty at that initially, but the accusations and shit that was being said about the team kept escalating to the point where it was just aspiring pros intentionally hating on them every chance they gotand just public trackers (https://u.gg/val/leaderboards/premier?page=1&premierZone=eu_dach&premierSeason=6f067888-4acd-15a4-93a4-a2a11ac4d279 + https://www.vlr.gg/event/1948/challengers-league-2024-dach-evolution-split-1/relegation for g2 for example)
lol both G2 core and TOG core has their coach/manager play 4 them instead of the full core i dunno honestly.
Edit : plus the team who beat g2 in dach who qualified for split, were the bottom of the leaderboard during regular split season.
Edit2: Oh yeah TOG kept having roster changes their duelist didn't join until like during September, the whole roster were different than the one during split 1 though.
KzX [#16]lol both G2 core and TOG core has their coach/manager play 4 them instead of the full core i dunno honestly.
Edit : plus the team who beat g2 in dach who qualified for split, were the bottom of the leaderboard during regular split season.
Edit2: Oh yeah TOG kept having roster changes their duelist didn't join until like during September, the whole roster were different than the one during split 1 though.
placement of nxt really doesnt matter for the point im making of "good gc teams are good t3 teams"
you can see this by just looking at nxt's record in general: they are one of the best t3 teams we have and (as expected in a healthy region) are right on the line of t2
temp12345 also won their next week 13-4 while still playing with their coach (vs the 4th place team) so it also doesnt really matter for the point either
(and not sure how TOG making roster changes going into the split matters since thats just how t3 works; they played their entire premier season with the same core, with the big replacement being karma for "ddd" (dont know who he is, but karma is a well known t2 player in dach))
Whysoseriousss [#7]Hopefully . We need new teams to benifit from gc , not same teams winning everytime but not going up .
the sad thing is. moving from gc, which is technically t3, to VCL isn't moving up in riot's world. game changers makes vastly more money than tier 2 probably ever will, making almost no incentive to move to tier 2.
Targu1n [#18]placement of nxt really doesnt matter for the point im making of "good gc teams are good t3 teams"
you can see this by just looking at nxt's record in general: they are one of the best t3 teams we have and (as expected in a healthy region) are right on the line of t2temp12345 also won their next week 13-4 while still playing with their coach (vs the 4th place team) so it also doesnt really matter for the point either
(and not sure how TOG making roster changes going into the split matters since thats just how t3 works; they played their entire premier season with the same core, with the big replacement being karma for "ddd" (dont know who he is, but karma is a well known t2 player in dach))
My point was, you were pointing at team whose results were atrocious for being one of the "best t3 team this region has to offer", and that the same team also beat top/winner of GC team/s.
Ye, i know roster changes happen in t3 but it takes time for the team to have chemistry/adjust for a new member on the team, prac, going forward to be competing at a higher level ( u get what i mean).
KzX [#20]My point was, you were pointing at team whose results were atrocious for being one of the "best t3 team this region has to offer", and that the same team also beat top/winner of GC team/s.
Ye, i know roster changes happen in t3 but it takes time for the team to have chemistry/adjust for a new member on the team, prac, going forward to be competing at a higher level ( u get what i mean).
regarding temp:
.... yes thats how tournaments work....
its a temporary roster, what do you expect
temp will get better as their season goes on, but so will g2. Its not champs g2 gozen that played.
regarding nxt:
nxt could have gone 0-9, losing every map 13-0 in t2 and the point that they are one of the staple t3 teams, and as such a team that can compete on the level as them is also a good t3 team, will still stand
In case its been lost along the convo: the take my comment is responding to is "That would actually require them to clear t3 first kekw", pointing out that GC teams are currently t3 teams ("GC teams are t3 and just as capable as the other top t3 teams to win relegation and make it into t2")
Mortadelo [#22]Actually MIBR GC will be competing in VCL Brazil for the next split if I'm not wrong. I suppose we'll see
They gave the spot to LOUD GC
https://vspace.gg/noticias/riot-esclarece-situacao-de-vagas-da-3a-etapa-do-vcb-2024-veja/
Hobbit [#23]They gave the spot to LOUD GC
https://vspace.gg/noticias/riot-esclarece-situacao-de-vagas-da-3a-etapa-do-vcb-2024-veja/
Ouch that’s terrible. They’re about to get a bunch of hate if they don’t win a couple games and it’s not even fair because they shouldn’t be the ones there
Why not TL?
Mortadelo [#24]Ouch that’s terrible. They’re about to get a bunch of hate if they don’t win a couple games and it’s not even fair because they shouldn’t be the ones there
Why not TL?
Both TL and LOUD will be playing in BR Split 3
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