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craftydroid

What VCT 2024 team beats another 4v5? You pick the teams and who to "bench." Lets exclude bottom 10 CN for the sake of discussion.

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kanyefan4238173
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none it wont happen

vitality: sayf, less, trexx, derke (best 4 man team you can make from a current roster)
would lose to any other vct team

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cloudberry
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G2 with any 4 of their players would still hard counter Paper Rex, I think

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craftydroid
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cloudberry [#3]

G2 with any 4 of their players would still hard counter Paper Rex, I think

that's delusional

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Ultime
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No team would beat someone 4v5 in this scenario

#6
cloudberry
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craftydroid [#4]

that's delusional

If we're talking 2024 G2 vs. 2024 PRX, I don't think it's too much of a stretch

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MintJunior
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ag (bench spitfires) easily clears current sen roster

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craftydroid
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MintJunior [#7]

ag (bench spitfires) easily clears current sen roster

least obvious ccp plant

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lordooohyeaa
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cloudberry [#6]

If we're talking 2024 G2 vs. 2024 PRX, I don't think it's too much of a stretch

yes it is

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craftydroid [#8]

least obvious ccp plant

you've been brainwashed by the woke mind virus of the liberal evil left, may 小苹果 have mercy on your soul

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GambleNats
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not possible

#12
Nachtel
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NRG could 4v5 GE

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GambleNats
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Nachtel [#12]

NRG could 4v5 GE

not happening

#14
ValAnalist
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This is so easy... Lev without C0m vs Mibr.

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GambleNats
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ValAnalist [#14]

This is so easy... Lev without C0m vs Mibr.

lev are gonna get pummelled with no inti util

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Nachtel
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GambleNats [#13]

not happening

Why not?

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GambleNats
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Nachtel [#16]

Why not?

first name who you will remove

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Nachtel
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GambleNats [#17]

first name who you will remove

Ethan

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GambleNats
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Nachtel [#18]

Ethan

no flash inti is trolling. your not getting a single round on atk

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presence
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realistically at the pro play level everyone is a top 0.1% player and macro strategy is reliant on team comp so winning a 4v5 is extraordinarily unlikely

#21
H3ENnZ
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T1 4v5 DFM

#22
Nachtel
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GambleNats [#19]

no flash inti is trolling. your not getting a single round on atk

In this meta you don't need a dedicated flash initiator as much as you need recon/flash flex+smokes

you can run a harbor viper comp between s0m, FNS, and have verno on sova/skye

with the current Neon meta you she could get free entries on a map where cypher isn't meta

If they are playing cypher, then Raze + Skye/Breach + Viper + Harbor is doable if you play default and do good enough executes

Harbor viper is perfect for executes.

Once you're on site you can win post-plant purely based on heroics

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i mean who has the worst 5v4 rate against who has the best 4v5 rate feels like the play here

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moomoomoomeadows [#23]

i mean who has the worst 5v4 rate against who has the best 4v5 rate feels like the play here

TH easily had the best 4v5 rate in champs, look at the FK-FD stats in the TH vs GENG game, that alone should tell you

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Its basically happened already

FNC vs G2 on Haven

https://www.vlr.gg/378832/g2-esports-vs-fnatic-valorant-champions-2024-lr1/?game=180443&tab=overview

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sideshowsbaldhead
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Nachtel [#18]

Ethan

not saying fns is actually crazier than the original statement wtf

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sideshowsbaldhead [#26]

not saying fns is actually crazier than the original statement wtf

You can't win a 4v5 without mid-rounding. especially when one of the prerequisites to win a 4v5 is to play really good defaults

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kanyefan4238173 [#2]

none it wont happen

vitality: sayf, less, trexx, derke (best 4 man team you can make from a current roster)
would lose to any other vct team

Holy glaze!

#30
Ryuukami
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g2 & 100t beats prx down 3-5 any time

#31
Denjisideals
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cloudberry [#3]

G2 with any 4 of their players would still hard counter Paper Rex, I think

I agree
PRX LOVES to overheat and ovetpeek and W gaming oogabooga and throw away man advantages so it's basically a 4 v 4

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kanyefan4238173
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washedradiant [#29]

Holy glaze!

With a side of hawk tuah

#33
AlexSMTx
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No need for 4, just put Tacolilla vs Anyone and Tacolilla wins

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craftydroid [#4]

that's delusional

??? g2 beat them twice this year

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kanyefan4238173 [#2]

none it wont happen

vitality: sayf, less, trexx, derke (best 4 man team you can make from a current roster)
would lose to any other vct team

already happened in champs. TH were playing 4v5, 3v5 even vs GenG on lotus

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