now that your here girlgamer, to verify your credibility.
name your top 10 controllers of all time list, (must've played at the highest level for 2+ years)
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milflover92 [#2]Are you asking a specific person or just girl gamers?
ok vlr we cant have aspas_gamer_cock but we can have milflover92?
number1_Demon1_fan [#3]Define highest level, international or just T1
INT and REGIONAL, i wont take karon as an answer even though he is insane.
milflover92 [#2]Are you asking a specific person or just girl gamers?
you can drop yours but girlgamer the m8 supporter keeps dissing certain good players, i need to know if she is a casual or actually knows the game
Veri [#9]Bro is a master baiter lol. Im not gamergirl but ill do it since im bored
- Mako
- Pancada
- Mindfreak
- Chichoo
- Smoggy
- TenZ
- Marved
- Boaster
- Ange1
- Tuyz
something like that but i admit i didnt put much thought in this at all
very good list but tenz doesnt belong there, id also kinda put in kiNgg. Tuyz doesnt deserve to be ranked that low!
two years such a shit benchmark when 2021-24 are the seasons so dc
As players (including ability usage and rifling)
mako
smoggy
pancada
tenz
chichoo
marved
karon
s0m
kingg
zombs/sscary
Just controller ability usage
mako
zombs
marved
pancada
smoggy
tenz
chichoo
karon
sscary
s0m
botster and ange1 could be 11/12 but the ones above are just overall better at the actual controller part of the game once you remove the igling factor
kalayav_n [#6]you can drop yours but girlgamer the m8 supporter keeps dissing certain good players, i need to know if she is a casual or actually knows the game
HM: s0m, SugarZ3ro, Zander, Less, TenZ, Karon (s0m & SugarZ3ro are in mid team jail, Zander hasn't played tier 1 for two years, Less doesn't play enough primary smokes, retirement cutting tenz's career in smokes short means we won't see his longevity, Karon hasn't played in t1 for two years)
MaKo
Bang
Valyn
sScary
kiNgg
Mazino (I know he's flex, his smokes are still nice)
nAts
pANcada
Marved
Mindfreak
In loose order.
gamergirl [#11]two years such a shit benchmark when 2021-24 are the seasons so dc
As players (including ability usage and rifling)mako
smoggy
pancada
tenz
chichoo
marved
karon
s0m
kingg
zombs/sscaryJust controller ability usage
mako
zombs
marved
pancada
smoggy
tenz
chichoo
karon
sscary
s0mbotster and ange1 could be 11/12 but the ones above are just overall better at the actual controller part of the game once you remove the igling factor
9/10, how does a perma omen with 1 year of controller make it above actual good controllers that have done it year after year?
kalayav_n [#13]9/10, how does a perma omen with 1 year of controller make it above actual good controllers that have done it year after year?
who there has done it year after year lol
you can say marved is above tenz ig, youre right
the truth is most players are flex smokes
shao is definitely one of the best players to play smokes but hes not maining it
but tenz is still better than everyone below him besides for marved(rather have tenz legacy on smokes, marved was in 2022, and tenz playstyle isn't as lurky and more direct, you can argue that its more effective due to this), chichoo isnt the main smokes for edg, he just plays it alot
milflover92 [#12]HM: s0m, SugarZ3ro, Zander, Less, TenZ, Karon (s0m & SugarZ3ro are in mid team jail, Zander hasn't played tier 1 for two years, Less doesn't play enough primary smokes, retirement cutting tenz's career in smokes short means we won't see his longevity, Karon hasn't played in t1 for two years)
MaKo
Bang
Valyn
sScary
kiNgg
Mazino (I know he's flex, his smokes are still nice)
nAts
pANcada
Marved
MindfreakIn loose order.
nAts questionable but this is what a fucking list is. you know ball son
gamergirl [#14]who there has done it year after year lol
you can say marved is above tenz ig, youre right
the truth is most players are flex smokes
shao is definitely one of the best players to play smokes but hes not maining it
but tenz is still better than everyone below him besides for marved(rather have tenz legacy on smokes, marved was in 2022, and tenz playstyle isn't as lurky and more direct, you can argue that its more effective due to this), chichoo isnt the main smokes for edg, he just plays it alot
tenz makes the rifling and omen usage list but other than that he gets mogged every other day. tenz cant play 90% of the otjher controller agents which makes him shit
kalayav_n [#13]9/10, how does a perma omen with 1 year of controller make it above actual good controllers that have done it year after year?
i mean winning a masters + 4th at champs as the 2nd best player on the team is pretty impressive no matter how you look at it. TenZ was not a bad controller he just had a different playstyle with the role that really only Omen allowed him to have and honestly thats a big merit
kalayav_n [#16]tenz makes the rifling and omen usage list but other than that he gets mogged every other day. tenz cant play 90% of the otjher controller agents which makes him shit
chichoo isnt better at smokes utility, karon isnt, sscary IS but he hasnt played at a high level or for a good team to show it, s0m doesnt have better utility usage than tenz either
gamergirl [#11]two years such a shit benchmark when 2021-24 are the seasons so dc
As players (including ability usage and rifling)mako
smoggy
pancada
tenz
chichoo
marved
karon
s0m
kingg
zombs/sscaryJust controller ability usage
mako
zombs
marved
pancada
smoggy
tenz
chichoo
karon
sscary
s0mbotster and ange1 could be 11/12 but the ones above are just overall better at the actual controller part of the game once you remove the igling factor
no mindfreak is crazy
It’s a tough ask since only Mako is the only smokes player with more than a year of consistent dominance among his peers.
Pancada, Marved, s0m, Tuyz, Demon1, Tenz, Karon, and Smoggy have had stunning single-year performances but are all hard to rank because of longevity. Mindfreak has the tenure but he’s always been one of the weakest players on his team — and you can’t argue for Boaster or Ange1 since they won trophies in spite of their poor individual performances and not because of it.
It’s a role that’s pretty much up for grabs if one of those players can step up and take 2025. My money is on Demon1 being the standout but there’s more competition when it comes to qualifying for internationals.
gamergirl [#18]chichoo isnt better at smokes utility, karon isnt, sscary IS but he hasnt played at a high level or for a good team to show it, s0m doesnt have better utility usage than tenz either
what games have you been watching? karon is 100% better than tenz in utility usage and literally can match his firepower. I HAD TO WATCH THIS MF ON BREEZE TRUST ME I KNOW HOW GOOD KARON IS
Veri [#17]i mean winning a masters + 4th at champs as the 2nd best player on the team is pretty impressive no matter how you look at it. TenZ was not a bad controller he just had a different playstyle with the role that really only Omen allowed him to have and honestly thats a big merit
yes but still a perma omen player, not even a controller he played kayo and other agents as well.
Ultia [#20]It’s a tough ask since only Mako is the only smokes player with more than a year of consistent dominance among his peers.
Pancada, Marved, s0m, Tuyz, Demon1, Tenz, Karon, and Smoggy have had stunning single-year performances but are all hard to rank because of longevity. Mindfreak has the tenure but he’s always been one of the weakest players on his team — and you can’t argue for Boaster or Ange1 since they won trophies in spite of their poor individual performances and not because of it.
It’s a role that’s pretty much up for grabs if one of those players can step up and take 2025. My money is on Demon1 being the standout but there’s more competition when it comes to qualifying for internationals.
2 years for pancada tbh this year he did pretty good regionally, marved one singular year of performance? crazy,
kalayav_n [#24]2 years for pancada tbh this year he did pretty good regionally, marved one singular year of performance? crazy,
marved played in 2021 and was good in 2023
gamergirl [#25]marved played in 2021 and was good in 2023
not my fault bros parents made him study for 2022
kalayav_n [#21]what games have you been watching? karon is 100% better than tenz in utility usage and literally can match his firepower. I HAD TO WATCH THIS MF ON BREEZE TRUST ME I KNOW HOW GOOD KARON IS
yeah if you hadnt taken karon out the list he would probably be my number 3 LOL bro is a menace on the server
kalayav_n [#13]9/10, how does a perma omen with 1 year of controller make it above actual good controllers that have done it year after year?
you have an issue with tenz but think zombs is just right on this list
Veri [#27]yeah if you hadnt taken karon out the list he would probably be my number 3 LOL bro is a menace on the server
yeah but it was his rookie year and kinda hard to rate him but for a rookie the guys GOOD ASF, i still remember the terrifying rounds
Yuniee44 [#28]you have an issue with tenz but think zombs is just right on this list
never watched zombs and cant say anything about him, why would i try to argue about someone ive never watched. i have no issue with tenz, the same way karon shouldnt make that list(i love karon)
kalayav_n [#30]never watched zombs and cant say anything about him, why would i try to argue about someone ive never watched. i have no issue with tenz, the same way karon shouldnt make that list(i love karon)
9/10 but disagrees with tenz, then claims he has no issues with tenz on the list and hasnt watched some of the other players top 10 smartest vlr user
Yuniee44 [#31]9/10 but disagrees with tenz, then claims he has no issues with tenz on the list and hasnt watched some of the other players top 10 smartest vlr user
zombs won masters as the best controller itw, pretty much all there is to it
hes also just from a utility standpoint very good
Yuniee44 [#31]9/10 but disagrees with tenz, then claims he has no issues with tenz on the list and hasnt watched some of the other players top 10 smartest vlr user
you would rather i say zombs is ass even though i havent watched him, are you ed?
gamergirl [#32]zombs won masters as the best controller itw, pretty much all there is to it
hes also just from a utility standpoint very good
zombs won a masters at the point where the strategic level of valorant was at its lowest, ranking below boaster in said tournament and then vanished from the face of the earth
Guuh3 [#34]Ange1? 🤨
Truth is that competitive valorant is still at its baby steps. Franchising is not even 3 years old still. With that in mind the amount of players that won anything is very low so i mean Ange1 is there for lack of options since he won a masters so thats at least something. Looking back at it i would probably switch him and Tuyz thou
Yuniee44 [#35]zombs won a masters at the point where the strategic level of valorant was at its lowest, ranking below boaster in said tournament and then vanished from the face of the earth
this is like saying r9 isnt good because he didnt play against maguire
zombs was always shit at rifling, the utility is just by far the best even at berlin that year
gamergirl [#37]this is like saying r9 isnt good because he didnt play against maguire
zombs was always shit at rifling, the utility is just by far the best even at berlin that year
The utility was good... amongst a bunch of bums. And even then Id argue boaster had better util usage.
Boaster was better rated then zombs at every tournament they both played in and he was better rated at tokyo and sao paolo than zombs was at reykjavik, while IGLing too. There is quite literally 0 chance zombs is a better smokes player than him.
Shao at copenhagen was also leagues above anything zombs ever did.
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