Nef0r0 [#2]
- Money
- read point 1
Also with Korea their talent was way better than the rest of apac at the time (still are 💀)
IZAYA_ORIHARA [#6]so all nations except japan and korea poor so they get only 1?
korea and japan bring viewership, and I would guess they sell more merch so it kinda is the reason. Or the other regions just can't bring more than 1 org
Nef0r0 [#7]korea and japan bring viewership, and I would guess they sell more merch so it kinda is the reason. Or the other regions just can't bring more than 1 org
i'd say Thai>Korea in viewership but heck they only got talon.
kaesra [#10]because riot prefers orgs that have money and stability than balanced regional orgs
explains why 5 original NA orgs faced some financial problems after franchising
bearmans [#8]i'd say Thai>Korea in viewership but heck they only got talon.
tbh korea is more due to league history and relations here
soonwookong [#12]tbh korea is more due to league history and relations here
of course that is too. e-sports are just the thing in korea. and probably the whole east asia (not including japan)
bearmans [#13]of course that is too. e-sports are just the thing in korea. and probably the whole east asia (not including japan)
(also not including north korea)
Nef0r0 [#11]explains why 5 original NA orgs faced some financial problems after franchising
Which 5 do you mean. Like EG sure, C9 or MIBR kinda. But also a lot of these decisions were made during an esports growth period where a lot of capital was being handing out to anyone with a brand and an idea of how to grow it. Then when the money slowed down some orgs didn't adapt well.
Mortadelo [#16]If they have 3 teams and they still win in tier 2 that only proves they deserve what they have? If they sucked then you could argue they have too many spots but they literally just won
ok but t1 sucks tho. And why others cant have more than 1 as well?
PrinceCharming [#15]Which 5 do you mean. Like EG sure, C9 or MIBR kinda. But also a lot of these decisions were made during an esports growth period where a lot of capital was being handing out to anyone with a brand and an idea of how to grow it. Then when the money slowed down some orgs didn't adapt well.
EG and c9 are well known
sentinels were begging for a money injection in 2023
100t said that they wouldn't enter esports if they started from scratch (the best situation probably)
nrg had chet taking a pay cut to afford the buy out
IZAYA_ORIHARA [#17]ok but t1 sucks tho. And why others cant have more than 1 as well?
There's 2 points to tackle here
-Why does Kr get more spots? Well for this we need to understand the criteria Riot followed to choose orgs. The main point while selecting orgs was to get long term stable partners, the biggest orgs they could find that were financially stable and were as popular as possible.
From there it's not a matter of spots, they tried to cover most fanbases that had big orgs to represent them. But by getting 1 org from 1 country you already cover that fanbase. You're gonna get the same amount of Indonesians watching regardless of having 1 or 4 Indonesian orgs if that makes sense. So once they covered all regions they just filled the remaining slots with the biggest orgs possible and those happen to be mostly Korean
-Do they actually deserve those slots? Well there could very much be a world were they're Valorant level didn't live up to the amount of slots, but it's definitely not the case. The 2 best teams in APAC last year were Korean and the other wasn't terrible. And winning in tier 2 only proves they deserve those spots from a Valorant level stand point.
For example in my case, Spain has 3 orgs, and by our level of play we probably deserve 1 or none at all, in that case you can argue it's unfair. In this case I really think they deserve them
Nef0r0 [#18]EG and c9 are well known
sentinels were begging for a money injection in 2023
100t said that they wouldn't enter esports if they started from scratch (the best situation probably)
nrg had chet taking a pay cut to afford the buy out
I mean I agree EG seems like a miss.
C9 had history of playing in franchise leagues and managing their finances well.
Sen needed money in 2023 after they were already in franchising, in 2022 when they got partnered they were (and outside of china still are) the biggest org in terms of pulling viewership so even if they were broke I still think having Sen would have been a net positive for the league.
NRG telling chet to take a pay cut is probably just them not valuing him as much as the rest of the optic core they signed and not feeling he was worth the buyout.
100t have been pretty stable as an org and as a brand, starting an esports org from nothing is pretty much impossible in this day and age. You need to spend money to get the exposure and brand that you can convert into revenue for the org.
Personally I would have been way more concerned with MIBR given immortal's questionable history in franchise leagues (cough cough dropping their roster 2 weeks before play and moving to china)
bearmans [#13]of course that is too. e-sports are just the thing in korea. and probably the whole east asia (not including japan)
Wdym japan not included? There's fgc. Ik people here don't consider mobile as " real esports" but Japan are quite dominant in some games too.
Riot wants the franchises that will benefit valorant esports as a whole, so getting franchise teams that are doing well with money (which most teams aren't) and will bring money to valorant is important. Thats why we have teams like Sentinels, LOUD, Fanatic, Prx make the cut as they have had previous success and many fans. Riot mentioned that in a couple of years they will review the franchise teams an possibly make changes if they no longer benefit valorant esports competitively or bring money and fans. Right now they have more japan and korean teams as they want to increase korean fans as league of legends is immensely popular in Korea and japan already has a strong viewership and Riot wants to keep that. Even if there is an influx of Korean teams, this will result in less talent in t2 Korea and more in t1 so other strong teams from Indonesia, India, Thailand, Singapore, and the Philippines are able to develop talent and make t2, we already seen this in Bleed and Boom where a Singapore team made ascension and a Indonesia team were a few rounds away to win this ascension team. As viewership and fans grow in Valorant in those scenes we will definitely see more teams in those regions or those teams incorporated in t1 as a franchise rather than a t2 ascension team, we can see this in teams like G2 who made champs this year and has a strong team and a growing fanbase.
tldr: riot wants what is best for valorant, they believe more growth in korea and keeping viewers in japan with chances for other regions to make a name for themselves and prove to riot that they should have more representation in pacific. That is also why they host international events in japan and korea.
IonlywatchvcjXD [#21]Wdym japan not included? There's fgc. Ik people here don't consider mobile as " real esports" but Japan are quite dominant in some games too.
is it as big as lol worlds or cs major? cuz i don't see DFM winning any games in worlds.
bearmans [#23]is it as big as lol worlds or cs major? cuz i don't see DFM winning any games in worlds.
That's not how it works bro...
I dont see indonesian team or a korean team winning a cs major. Does this mean they are not into esports at all? The logic is kinda flawed
The better metrics is to see how the engagements and activity of that country or even combining both achievements and engagements as one singular metric.
Ignoring other games is kinda an arrogant viewpoint too imo.
IonlywatchvcjXD [#25]That's not how it works bro...
I dont see indonesian team or a korean team winning a cs major. Does this mean they are not into esports at all? The logic is kinda flawed
The better metrics is to see how the engagements and activity of that country or even combining both achievements and engagements as one singular metric.
Ignoring other games is kinda an arrogant viewpoint too imo.
and thus CS scene is kinda fucked in SEA. that's just how it is. if it ain't as big as both of those i don't consider them to be "big in esports"
except yea if they are like mobile games and other platform i don't know, that's a special thing.
bearmans [#8]i'd say Thai>Korea in viewership but heck they only got talon.
1 SEA viewer is not worth the same as 1 East asian viewer.
Biostar [#27]1 SEA viewer is not worth the same as 1 East asian viewer.
unfortunately true. fucking youtube ads are much more cheaper in SEA.
Discord